Dick Allen

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 07:52 PM) Looks like Bobby is getting no sympathy from Kenny I agree with KW. Get your ass in better shape. If he wants to last for a while he will. If he thinks he can get by not being in good shape, he will regret it years from now. What's troubling is Jenks' fighting the concern. Doesn't he want to be the best he can be?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 01:19 PM) Or the signing of an elite defender to backup 3 infield positions. Doesn't really matter how old you are when you're still fully capable of doing what a team asks of you. That's fine but what I don't like about the moves are Teahan/Vizquel while an upgrade from Getz/Lillibridge, may not be the $5 million upgrade it costs. I personally don't think Beckham at 2B, Teahan at 3B is much of a defensive upgrade from Getz/Nix at 2B Beckham at 3B. Offensively it could be, but Teahan is no lock to take off offensively. It kind of reminds me of the Cory Snyder acquisition. A talented guy who had a tough time making contact but was a scout's wet dream. Vizquel definitely can play 3B and SS better than Lillibridge or Nix, without a doubt and is an upgrade offensively over Lillibridge, but really not much at this stage. But how often is he going to be playing SS or 3B or 2B? Not much if no one gets hurt, plus Omar doesn't steal you bases anymore. Getz could get you a bag as could Lillibridge, plus we are talking about a guy who will be 43. He still seems nimble, but 43 year olds tend to tweak things a lot easier than younger guys. He definitely could be a weapon as a pinch bunter. It definitely appears the Sox will have one of the older benches in baseball.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 11:38 PM) Jiggets spends too much time with the hotdog vendor in the morning. That rots your brain. Jim Miller must of been given money by Ron Turner. Ron Turner is never the issue. Its always something else. Why can't Cutler be blamed for missing 3 wide open receivers? How is that Turner's fault? As for the vanilla offense, look what happens when they try anything different. They lose big yards. Jim Miller was talking about it weeks ago. The personnel can't grasp anything that isn't simple.

IMO, Tampa is not going to trade a real good player for Jenks unless the White Sox eat a lot of money.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) DA, I know that you want to be argumentative with me, but for a guy that is not even guaranteed a major league contract, these type of players don't usually pass them up. He had to beg just to get a minor league contract last year so he could learn from Jaramillo, and while he showcased some power, his numbers were again incredibly underwhelming, especially considering he was hitting in optimal situations for him to succeed. I can't see why the Sox would give Jones a guaranteed contract right now, and I can't see Boras having him sign a minor league contract, even if that is all he could command at this particular time. Maybe right before spring training when they know how each roster will be set, but not now. I love how you use the argumentitive thing. You were the one who started arguing with me when I mentioned Gagne. I had recently read how he was going to sign a minor league contract and attempt a comeback.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) Upton's the kind of guy that I'd really hate to overpay for and then have him go all Delmon Young on us. So talented but seems like he's been struggling forever. He was really good in 2007. 2008 he had wrist issues but still had a decent year except for power. Last year he wasn't good. He has also been known not to exactly give his all. He has a ton of talent. If you could get him reasonably, he could be a star.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:15 PM) I don't think Boras really enters into the equation much when it's such a low-value contract. I would think he wouldn't have his client sign what the Sox would want him to sign in November.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Well, my personal choice was Andruw Jones. At least BJ Ryan hasn't been getting lit up in the American Legion leagues... But I guess you're right, they are both probably horrendous. It just seems like Ryan could make a comeback from his health issues, whereas Gagne won't make a comeback from pure suckland. Jones would excite a lot more than Vizquel and Boras is his rep.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) As in the past, or like, the last few days? Recently. Its a blurb in a Tampa paper. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/ra...catcher/1053598 I wonder what Cowley thinks.

Supposedly the Sox have made some inquiries into getting BJ Upton. That would definitely make Teahan a 3B.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:54 PM) With a much higher ceiling? I would hope if we sign Gagne, we take Kenny to get his brain examined, and we don't tell a soul, for fear of being laughed at for the remainder of the offseason. Why would BJ Ryan have a much higher ceiling? He was released by 2 teams last year. Toronto has to pay him $10 million in 2010. I think you could say, however, any of the guys mentioned have a higher ceiling if everything goes well than a 43 year old light hitting SS.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) He does not match the description of this player in the least bit, DA. A cheap reclimation project? He might not be able to be reclimated, but he certainly would be a cheap reclimation project who isn't as exciting as the Vizquel signing, which if you think about it, has to be a very dull signing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) I wasn't saying Gagne wouldn't come back. I'm saying why would you want a guy that can't even pitch in the freaking Independent League effectively? The Sox have brought plenty of guys who couldn't do much at lower levels to spring training.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Gagne is pitching in the Independent League, and posted an ERA in the mid-4's last year. It's definitely not him. I think Saint may be on to something here...BJ Ryan does fit quite well with what Doc said as well as what this team needs... Gagne said he was attempting a comeback and would be willing to sign a minor league deal. So it would be a no risk deal. Unless its Laynce Nix and he wants to play with his brother, maybe in Charlotte.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) I'm thinking pitcher as well. I can't imagine we sign another reclamation project that's a fielder, I mean, besides backup C, what is left that wouldn't be starting. And if they are to be starting - fml. He did say its someone who isn't as exciting as Vizquel and I don't think anyone fell off their chairs when the Vizquel news broke, so you are probably right. Maybe it is Blanco, but I don't think he would count as a reclimation project, and he did say probably higher upside, so that would hint at pitcher.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) my guess is wilson betemit naw i think its gonna be a head scratcher move like really??? why _____? this guy blows. and then its gonna turn out that hes a stud.... like chad tracy or somethin. [/color]or mark prior I think its probably someone like Justin Speier, or Eric Gagne or Paul LoDuca.

Also isn't Beltre's agent one Scott Boras?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 21, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) It's another one of those "we have had our eye on him years." Anyway he is still good with the glove KW was waiting until he had just enough seasoning.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 11:07 PM) You would think that being a professional baseball player and being that is your career you wouldn't have to tell them to be in shape . i spent 23yrs in the U.S NAVY as a SEAL and i know i was in better shape then most major league baseball players and never did anybody have to tell me and i was making much less money then these guys make . I agree with you. This is their job and they can make more money than they ever dreamed of making. To think you would still have to push someone to be in shape seems ludicrous. Most are done playing by the time they are 40, then they can let themselves go, but give it your best effort while under contract. I know guys will point out successful players like Tony Gwynn or now CC Sabathia where fitness didn't seem to matter, but who knows, if Gwynn had a 34 inch waist instead of 42, maybe he even would have been better. Who knows how long CC lasts. People will mention Babe Ruth, but if anything, these guys are the exception, not the rule. Most guys with weight issues are done playing far sooner than they probably planned. It eventually will catch up to you if you're not an athlete. It catches up to you more quickly if you are one competing with people who do keep in shape.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 09:50 PM) Playing a bit deeper on the mentor card- it struck me that Alexei was one of those who Kenny was unhappy with at the end of this season. I could see this as a "straighten out your s***" move directed at Alexei. He now has a resource in Vizquel, and will hopefully take advantage of that to improve his defensive game. If that's a motivation for the signing its a slap in the face to your manager and bench coach.

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 09:49 PM) I dunno, Franklin Gutierrez doesn't have much of a bat. Look at Mark Belanger's lifetime stats. He hit over .228 3 times. A lifetime slugging pct. of .280. He was an awful hitter. God bless him,he played 18 seasons because of his glove, but he wouldn't play 18 seasons the way they play today.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 09:35 PM) All the metrics say Vizquel is still a damn good fielder so if the Sox aren't going to have a good defensive infield they better have at least one late inning replacement who can field. Baseball has changed of course but defense should still be a priority in the late innings when you need to protect a one run lead. They aren't going to lift Alexei in the late innings or Beckham. Maybe Teahan. What I'm concerned about is the once or twice a week starts Vizquel gets. Want to bet he leads off occassionally?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 09:29 PM) It makes plenty of sense if you value defense. The position of SS has really changed from what it used to be. Even a Manager like Earl Weaver who loved the 3-run homer and was not much of a believer in "small ball" saw a need for someone like Mark Belanger who makes Omar Vizquel look like Albert Pujols. Belanger was a slick fielding no hit ( and seriously no hit to the tune of a lifetime BA/OBP/SLG/OPS of .228/.300/.280/.580 ) SS who managed to play 18 years in the majors for some very very good Baltimore teams in the late 60's and 70's. You can bet your arse that the vaunted Oriole starters of that time like Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, Pat Dobson and Milt Pappas loved having him out there every day. A few years Belanger even got some MVP votes probably from Baltimore writers. Good defense makes a helluv difference when you've got golden arms out there pitching for you. The current infield of the Sox is going to be torture to our staff. Alexei Ramirez is the White Sox SS. Vizquel will see very little time there and he is 43 years old. You think Jermaine Dye is old. This guy is 7 years older than him. And the game has changed. You can't get away with a guy who hit like Belanger anymore. At least in the AL.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) It's just his talent that's intriguing. On a terrible team he can be an adequate 5th OF/pinch runner for a year, then he'd be back in the minors again to continue developing. I don't think anyone would consider giving him much playing time right now. But then you have a guy wasting a year and he'll be 25 back in the minors. I don't think many teams want to spend $400k to keep him around all year just so they can send him to AAA the following season. They are going to want him to be able to contribute something. Nothing in 2009 seems to indicate he's ready to do that.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) According to Klapisch's column, Matsui will land with our White Sox. Doesn't jive with other recent statements, but, it would make sense. Supposedly most if not all and then some of what Matsui would get in a contract could be covered by money made off his popularity in Japan. Some article in Japan said they Yankees would lose $15 million if they let him go. Plus his agent is Arn Tellum, one of JR's favorites. I don't think it will happen, but it wouldn't shock me.