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QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 10:20 PM) Ok this pisses me off... are you guys serious? really? Wakefield doesnt hold a torch to Vazquez Sonnanstine only recently became reliable, but he did it for 1 year, 1 YEAR! He's just as likely to turn into Brian Bannister next year as he is to stay solid, but he's far from reliable Kyle Davies? WHAT!? Slowey is not Minnesota's 4th guy, he's their 3rd behind Liriano and Baker, I'd call Blackburn their 4th and Javier is surely more dependable than Blackburn, and more reliable because of health than Slowey Wellemeyer is terrible, absolutely terrible. he's only ok because dave duncan is a genius Joe Saunders is solid, i'll allow you to say he's CURRENTLY as good, but again he only did what he did for one year, so you cant call him dependable Kershaw, he's not Javier good... yet, but he should be Harden, yea when he's healthy he's a top 5 pitcher in baseball, but how often is he healthy and how much does he tax a staff with his absence People need to realize that $12 a year for what Javier does is absolutely fair market value. 100% fair market value. if you want an ace, go get sabathia at $20+ mil a year. Javier isnt an ace, and the reason people piss on him is because they think he should be. temper you expectations and you'll learn to love him because he does what he does every year, and every year he helps a staff stay fresh and keeps the team in more than enough games. i sure as hell hope we dont give Javier away for anything less than 2 very good ML ready piece (i.e. Daniel Murphy, Aaron Heilman esque). I am not ready to move on if we go into next year with anything less than a very dependable starter in the 4th slot, and none of you should be either. I would say yes, very serious. The White Sox have been good in 2 of Javy's 3 seasons and his results were: 2006 White Sox 4.84 11-12 2008 White Sox 4.67 12-16 Strikeouts are sexy, but ultimately winning is more important. Ozzie himself has said Javy hasn't shown he can win a big game, and when you are in contention, your 4th and 5th starter needs to win some big games.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 05:40 AM) I can't even believe this is a conversation now. There is NO WAY you trade this guy unless you want to have TWO DANNY WRIGHT 5th starter situations again like we did a few years ago. I don't like relying on Javy for any big games but he's not a bad #4 and certainly a decent (yet expensive #5). The good news is our 2 & 3 starters (if you want to make MB our #1) are both on the cheap right now... We're going to need to take a flyer with someone for the #5 spot until Jose is ready (and God only knows when that will be) so I feel much better having him there unless we can get someone who can give us 200 IP and 12-14 wins in that spot....which will be extremely difficult Danny Wright looked like Cy Young compared to Javy the last month of the season. I will agree that if KW wants to put together a bad team, it apparenty is a situation where Javy thrives, and he would be much more valuable in the trade market if he was held on to. If he plans on having a good team, Javy is a problem, and he has shown his 2 years with the White Sox when they were good and his year in NY.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 07:31 PM) I agree with Neyer. Javy is a guy who can get a team to the playoffs. He's not a salary dump. But he likely won't be on the sox next year. He can? He's been on 2 playoff teams in his career and they made the playoffs not because of him, but despite of him. And when he got into a playoff game, he was almost immediately lit up. He's going to have stretches every year when he is good. Maybe cherry-picking stats is a reason someone might actually agree to pay him the money despite the overall results on a career that is more than a few seasons old. I really worry about baseball if paying someone $11.5 million a year to be below .500 with an ERA higher than league average is considered reasonable. The White Sox owe a guy who hit .219 with a ton of strikeouts, who doesn't steal bases, and gets pinch run for, $24 million over the next 3 seasons. That too to many on this board is considered "reasonable." Seems to me, with these 2 non-performers, the White Sox are wasting $20 million a year. What you're paying for and what you are getting are very different. I don't think its reasonable.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) If Atlanta doesn't end up with Peavy, I could see them maybe making a run at Vaz as a backup option. Wow. That's a huge drop-off for consellation prize .

McCain's plane made an aborted landing in Colorado today. I was on a plane that made one of those before, you think your landing but there's traffic on the runway and you pull up again. Its pretty scary.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) 1) Cheney did not expand the powers of the VP. It's up to the president how much influence a VP has. 2) Biden was a sucky VP pick too. I still don't see why Democrats think this guy is so great, it's obvious he's an incompetent idiot. Didn't Palin say she was looking to have the powers of the VP expand? Considering she thinks the VP is "in charge of the Senate" and I suppose that would mean if the GOP can win today she believes she would become Obama's and Biden's (if he wins re-election) boss, I wonder what kind of power she would be looking for.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 12:57 PM) She outdraws Biden and McCain at rallys, but it was a slap in the face to the American people? presidents pick vp's usually to offset somethig they are not good at or experienced at. Obama took Biden for his supposed 'gravitas' at whatever it is he is supposed to be good at. About the only thing he seems good at is inserting his foot into his mouth. McCain took palin because she is younger (to counter his claims of being too old to be in touch) and because she compliments his 'maverick' image. Nitpik all you want but she has taken on corruption in the party before, and that plays well with alot of people. So its a bad thing that Mccain took Palin because she was a woman? Give me a break. Was it a bad thing that Obama took Biden because he was white? There are several other black politicians he could have chose. or Hispanic. They each chose someone opposite of themselves. Mccain gets s*** on for his pick, while Obama is praised for his pick. All i am saying is that if palin is the tipping point in you voting against McCain, you were going to do that anyway and are just using her as an excuse. Why do you think she outdraws them at rallies? Do you really think its her politics? I think if Obama went across the aisle and picked her as his running mate, you would have a totally different opinion about her. Obama draws more than she does at rallies, and you don't have much nice to say about him.

Just got the election night ticket in my email.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 08:59 AM) What do you think the odds are that the waitlist fills for my Obama tickets today? I got the email confirmation before the waitlist began and I didn't get tickets. So I'm thinking slim.

I don't like Javy, never did, but I wouldn't trade him for Rolen. While at one time he was quite a player, he makes too much cash, plays too infrequently and doesn't play anywhere near the level he once played. It would be like signing Joe Crede but doubling his salary.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) I can still see Chambliss bulling his way thru the crowd on the field after a playoff walk off homer. He is managerial insurance with a winning backround and Gary Ward waiting in the wings to be hitting coach again. A player revolt is what caused Ward to get canned in the first place. He won't be the hitting coach for the White Sox again, even if the team is hitting .220 in June. Chambliss on the other hand............................but these are Buddy Bell hires, and he really isn't hiring for potential replacements for the big league team.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Why should she have to though? What if she has herpes or something? Should she have to reveal that to everybody? I know it sounds like I'm being facetious but I'm not. While I agree most times medical records should be private, she is the one running for office and could be in a position to have the most powerful job in the world. Voters should know the medical histories of all candidates, just like baseball teams should put players through physicals when signing them or trading for them. If there is something seriously wrong with them, or a possibility of serious issues that could either prevent them from being able to serve or affect their ability to do the job, voters should know. If they have herpes, while it may show a lack of judgement at one time and maybe not, it probably isn't something that everyone needs to know.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 06:58 AM) You know, I understand that Chicago people dont like Rex for his inconsistency and his maddening swings between really good and really, really bad. But the manufactured anger towards bullsh*t stuff just doesnt make sense. Some douchebag called into the score this morning and took personal offense towards Rex' spike after the sneak-in touchdown because he said it was towards Chicago fans, and fans started calling in agreeing with him about it. Are you kidding me? What the hell is wrong with people, let the guy live a little after scoring a touchdown. Obviously, Rex is very inconsistent and probably will never be a Pro Bowl QB. But I agree with you. Face it, the guy was the QB when the Bears made it to the Super Bowl, and has probably received as much crap from Bears fans as any player in history. Even if his spike was directed at some of the naysayers, which I doubt, good for him.

John McCain's healthcare plan will "blow up" the employer-based system and healthcare experts are not so hot on that idea. Experts, however, fear that eliminating the tax advantage of employer-based coverage would prompt younger, healthier workers to leave their office plans. If that happened, costs for the remaining workers could skyrocket. Companies may drop coverage altogether. But the McCain campaign fought back that idea with an even stranger defense: Younger, healthier workers likely wouldn't abandon their company-sponsored plans, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain's senior economic policy adviser. "Why would they leave?" said Holtz-Eakin. "What they are getting from their employer is way better than what they could get with the credit."

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 09:32 PM) Find where Ive defended McCain for me please I'm sure if people defend him, you would have zero objection. Very different from defending Obama.

The question I have is what type of responsibility is Obama supposed to take for his aunt? An aunt who is a half sister of his father who has been dead for 26 years, and a guy Barack saw once the last 17 years he was alive. For all we know, he may not have even spoken to her since he met her 37 years ago. Should I be held accountable for my aunt's actions? Should you?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) I think its message board worthy and I also think its a bigger deal than a lot of the bs posted about McCain. The thing that bothers me about it is how blindly some people will defend this stuff and then go and post garbage about McCain. So, its right to post garbage about Obama, but defend any criticism of McCain. Its just wrong if its the other way around.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) The s was a typo I couldnt change because it was a thread title, but Im getting the responses I expected. Im sure if it was McCains family it would be a huge deal. I know its not as big as a private jewish groups opinion on Obama but that seemed to really ruffle some feathers. Really? Where's the individual thread that has to be made about McCain's brother's 911 call? Is the s really a typo? You know he was supposedly paling around with terrorists. The republicans had another guy with Ayers that supposedly tudored Obama, but when they found out the guy died when Obama was 10 and even the Ayers stuff wasn't doing what they hoped, they backed off a bit. Its just campaign talk is what McCains said.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) Do you think other GM's don't know you are looking for a 3B? Kenny makes a couple of calls asking about 3B's and every GM knows it. This has nothing to do with leverage or trying to smokescreen the other GM's. It's all about saving face if nothing comes through. And that is not a criticism of KW as all GM's have to do that. KW probably wants other GMs to at least entertain the thought that while he may be looking for a 3B, he's more than willing just to let Fields have the job. It could lower an asking price if they don't believe he's totally desperate. Its a poker game.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 05:11 PM) So, Obamas aunt has been living illegally here for 5 years in government assisted public housing. She has also donated money to his campaign, and for those who dont know, arent allowed to accept donations from non citizens. Obama wrote about her in his book and now claims he had no idea this was going on. I'm sure Obama and McCain both know every single name on their donation list. It was $265. It will be returned. He wrote about meeting her in 1971. 37 years ago. He was 10. Considering he never saw his father again, he may never have seen her. But don't let facts and common sense get in the way for some last ditched effort BS. Also your thread title says family members, who are the additional people?

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 06:58 AM) So we'll trade Javy and have 3 SP's next year and have two open spots to fill in the rotation. Hmmmm....is there anyone else thinking we just need to find a FOURTH STARTER and make Javy the Fifth??????It reminds me of all the bad mouthing Garland took prior to the 05 season, people wanting him out....Guillen had to calm people down by telling him "he's the fifth starter!" prior to the season...this way Javy doesnt start in the playoffs and you can move the rotation around a bit in September to give him the Royals instead of the Twins. I don't trust Javy in big games or in the playoffs but good luck finding another guy who can get you 12-14 wins and 200 + IP in the FA market guys...have we forgotten how friggin hard it is to find a guy like that???? What did A.J. Burnett go for in the open market??? 5 yrs and $55 Million? Trading him for a position player almost guarantees we're forced to sign someone to a $10+M long term deal unless we want to take a one year flyer on a washed up SP and either option only makes us MORE UNSTABLE in the starting staff. I'd rather us just go and get a #4, really. Put Javy in the 5 spot and just leave it at that. I don't get where everyone thinks its EASY to find someone who can get 12-14 wins with 200 IP and 200 K's on the market.... Who cares about his strikeouts if he loses? Everyone mentions his 200 k's. Did you see him perform the last month of the season? Did you see him when he was with the Yankees? Did you see him when the White Sox were contending in 2006? He was below average. $11 million or $12 million is too much to spend on a #5 starter. The White Sox would be foolish not to trade him if a team is offering more than it would for a typical #4 or #5 starter for his services. He cannot be relied upon to win, unless you plan on having a bad team.

My questions to KW would be: If Josh Fields was so injured that it caused him not to be able to perform as anything but a mediocre minor leaguer why was he called up to the major leagues to take Crede's place when he was injured? Why was he given a spot on the postseason roster? Why wasn't he shut down in May or June? I think a lot of this is just rhetoric trying to make fellow GMs believe KW is not desperate for a 3B. Fields has to be option C or D at best.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) Every single kid that came to my condo trick or treating dressed up like a democrat, they all wanted me to give them free stuff. Its sort of like being Alaskan.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) Would Seattle take Javy for Beltre straight up? Or would we have to include somebody like Broadway in the deal? However, I'd love to get Hardy, but again, would they give us JJ for Javy straight up? Javy doesn't want to go to the west coast and has no trade protection there.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:37 PM) Weeks would play 2nd base, with Fields at 3rd base. That would be horrific defensively.