Dick Allen

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) exactly my thoughts... what a joke!! Sorry KW we've accepted your excuses last year with the whole "Market Correction" crap. But if you offer Hunter that much money and then come back and say "im not going to give you a dollar if i only have 50 cents to offer" crap, you lose a TON of credibility. What a joke this offseason is turning out to be... we might as well re-sign Erstad and sign Eckstein at this point. . I love how Kenny thinks he can do what he did in the 2004 offseason again... That 2004 team going into 2005 didn't have as many holes.. all we needed was a couple of pen guys a leadoff hitter and 1 starter. The rest of the team was pretty much filled. . The team we have now has waaaaaaaaayyy too many holes... this team is going nowhere fast.. and even JD sees that. The bigger joke is KW has more money to play with than most GMs. He had a payroll of $108 million and the team was competing for the worst record in baseball in September. His "market correction" ain't happening anytime soon. He's going to have to break up some of the big contracts he's passed out and try a different combination. This one isn't working. The other thing comparing it to the offseason prior to 2005 is that the division is much better. He has a long way to go to make this team a contender. He still has time, but he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. He's says its not about the superstars, yet he tries but comes up short for most that are available. Why even bother if its not about them? I think KW has to realize right now is a very dangerous time.

Anyone as sick of this quote as I am? KW hasn't broken it out since pre-WS title "You try to do things that make sense and you can afford," Williams said. "I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

I believe the Marlins are non-tendering Olivo so with this trade their payroll becomes something like $15 million for the entire team.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:24 PM) so is steve phillips just a moron or is this thing gonna happen? Wouldn't Chris Burke to the White Sox send a buzz through the hotel lobby in Nashville like we have never seen before?

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:16 PM) I realize we are talking about the Cubs here, but why aren't they making a play for Johan. They get 3 milllion sheep every year, now second highest ticket prices. The Cubs would dominate the NL for years with Johan. But I guess that makes too much sense. Instead, they spend money on a guy that has never played an inning in mlb. They really jacked up their ticket prices. All those season ticketholders paid for the playoffs and only got 1 game. They will get their invoices and probably will be too drunk to figure out how much more they have to pay. They will probably think prices went down. The only thing I can think of with Santana is that may be too much money for them to take on as far as an extension before the sale, and trading for him and not signing him would be horrible because of the price.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:07 PM) If KW is serious about getting players who will have a .350+ OBP and not strike out a ton, I think Fukudome is the target then. The Cubs have supposedly told Fukudome's agent they will outbid anybody.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:36 PM) How did he get his clock cleaned exactly? We dont even know if we were even in on the bidding, it could have been fodder by Fla. We also dont even have close to the top tier talent that Detroit just gave away. You cant buy a 50 dollar steak with 10 bucks, no matter how great you think you are. The only way he got his clock cleaned is by having one of the greatest hitters in the game, only 24, go to a division rival. You're right, he couldn't offer the package Detroit offered because he doesn't have it. Too bad it took him and the rest of the organization so long to figure out there was a problem drafting and developing players.

What's Florida's payroll going to be next season? It already was lower than their revenue sharing check.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) the certainly upgraded their lineup...and now that inge will probably be traded that is gonna drive the market down for crede as well....too bad dontrelle is gonna get lit up in the AL and the tigers after trading for renteria and cabrera have no farm system...oh well...granderson polanco cabrera sheffield maggs guillen renteria pudge jones damn The problem is the White Sox have no farm system either, and a ton of holes on the major league level. KW is just going to have to move on and try to put together a solid team and hope the breaks go the White Sox way in 2008. Right now, talent-wise there is no comparision between Detroit and the White Sox.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) it was on the radio and someone said it was a blurb on espn hd, maybe we thought we had him, then the Tigers upped their initial deal to block it. I think we sign Andruw Jones in the next few hours though. It actually was part of the article that started this thread. I have a feeling that "announcement" has been canceled. It wouldn't surprise me Detroit saw the White Sox about to get Cabrera so they upped their offer. Its a risk, but a 24 year old who hits like that is going to be around awhile.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) [/b] We were a 70ish million dollar team in 05, that had to flip guys like Lee to have financial flexibility to get multiple players. We are now a 100+ million dollar team. Please dont compare the two teams, or use the reasoning well it worked in 05 so it will work in 08. Times are different, and we are not a mid market team. I will state that the sum of the parts we would of given up, will never account the for impact that Cabrera will have in his lifetime. You can build a championship around Cabrera. We won in 05 on outstanding pitching, and getting hot with our bats in the postseason. With the current team and the addition of Cabrera to a potent Detroit offense. I dont see how we compete and get into the playoffs. You might as well just rip it apart and start over. The big success the White Sox had in 2005 was they beat the crap out of their division. Its not that easy anymore.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) Yeah, I saw that one. I guess I just don't buy this rumor anymore than the other. Mlb.com is reputable, but if the deal was all but finalized this afternoon, why would they plant an article about the White Sox at 5 pm? It doesn't add up... Gammons has it on the winter meetings blog on espn.com.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:13 PM) Verlander Willis Rogers Bonderman Robertson Only 1 guy on that list had an ERA under 4.4 last year, and that was Verlander. That supposedly dominant staff sure struggled one hell of a lot last year outside of Verlander. And the White Sox will be relying on what? You really have to be crazy to think unless KW throws a ton of money into the White Sox right now, he can compete with them. I think Konerko is a better 1B than Guillen, but the Tigers have the edge at every other position if this deal goes down.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) Because that's so much better and more intimidating than the lineups the Yankees have trotted out the past 5 years. The Yankees have made the playoffs how many years in a row? Considering its rare a wild card team comes from the Central Divison and Cleveland appears to only be getting better, KW has a whole lot of work to do to catch up, and he's pretty strapped with the payroll.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Well it was also before the tigers (potentially) unloaded 6 guys. So potentially the Sox can maintain 29th or even move up to 28th. Not very encouraging considering the lack of contribution they got out of a system that was once ranked #1 only 7 years ago.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:03 PM) See this second part of that article: White Sox eyeing Andruw Jones The Chicago White Sox are interested in free-agent center fielder Andruw Jones. The addition of Jones, a 10-time Gold Glove Award winner, would further strengthen the White Sox -- who recently added 2007 American League Gold Glove shortstop Orlando Cabrera -- defensively and give the team five players -- Jones, Cabrera, Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye and Paul Konerko -- who averaged 89 RBIs and 250 total bases apiece in 2007. The Dodgers were going to offer Jones a contract until Boras threw out a few numbers. They didn't bother. I am on record as saying the White Sox signing Andruw Jones would be the most shocking signing in team history.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:03 PM) At least we won't have the worst system anymore.... I read were BA was going to name the Sox 29th out of 30th in minor league system rankings. That's before they unloaded Carter.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:01 PM) OUCH! Kudos to the Tigers...and this honestly should make KW consider becoming a seller more than a buyer. The Sox are more f***ed now than they were 20 minutes ago. The Sox would have to do a lot of improving to compete with the revamped Detroit roster if true.

According to Rotoworld, Miggy and Willis are headed to Detroit for Maybin, Miller and 4 prospects.

If acquired and signed long-term, he may give Frank Thomas a run for his money as greatest hitter in team history. This would be a coup.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 02:01 PM) When KW says Quentin will play some RF and DH, to me that means he is the starting LF and will also play RF and DH to keep him out there as often as possible. I don't think KW is going to put all that much on a guy with 395 career ABs who is currently recovering from surgery, and coming off pretty much a lost season on the major league level. Counting on Quentin and Owens and Richar and Fields and Floyd and Danks to come up big for you certainly isn't in line with "going for it."

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 01:40 PM) Its not as if they are without an owner - the Tribune Company still owns them. And since they are spending what is basically someone else's money, and making the team look higher profile doing it, its not surprise they are spending like crazy. Yes. Its just like when Bill Veeck actually signed some free agents when he thought he had the team sold to DeBartolo. Ron LeFlore was one, I think Jim Essian was another, but LeFlore was the big one then.

If Jones ever signed with the White Sox, it would be the most shocking roster addition in team history.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) Who is making him out to be the second coming? Or saying he will be a stud in 2008? People just think he's a significant upgrade over Owens or Pods. Do you disagree? If he plays like he did in 2007 he won't be. I think he'll be a pretty good player. I just don't know if he'll be all that good in 2008. KW said he's going to play some RF and DH so even he hasn't penciled him in as the everyday LF. Owens will get time in LF, and probably will see some time in CF after Rowand busts up his face crashing into something.

I like the Quentin trade, but how can anyone expect him to be a stud in 2008? He was bad last year and is coming off surgery, now people around here think he's the second coming.