Dick Allen

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) I love to watch Ray run. Harrelson Oh, for those days. Now it takes 4 hits to score a run.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) Someone needs to find the press conference when Ozzie was hired. How it doesnt matter who you are, you will play the game the right way or you wont play for his team. We have fielders half assing it. We have at least 2 dumb running mistakes a game. We have guys swinging for the fence not matter what the situation. Thats playing the game the right way. Lift and Pull, and Jog. tip your cap, and collect a paycheck. I swear to you this is true... Ozzie used to do the same thing down the line on routine grounders and Hawk of all people called him out on it once.

Where's this pitching depth that KW frequently brags about? The bullpen sucks and the best he can do is call up a 26 year old AA pitcher.

Are the Sox in 4th place yet? KW is the Executive of the Year, and the manager of the year should be renamed the Ozzie Guillen award. This team is put together all wrong.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 29, 2007 -> 07:09 PM) Now, let's see whether Young's absence will be voided with additional prospects in the coming seasons. Not in the same manner as SF, but in terms of making up for a past mistake. In 1997 the White Sox had 7 of the first 62 picks in the draft. I'm not going to hold my breath.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:40 PM) Another one of my favorites was Craig Wilson. I remember he hit a homer in his first career AB. He had/has a gigantic forehead.

Liu Rodriquez. I paid $.05 for his card at Soxfest about 5 years ago. I'm sure its worth much less now.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) any word on the lineups? Erstad - CF Cintron - 2B Thome - DH Dye - RF Konerko - 1B AJ - C Crede - 3B Mack - LF Uribe - SS Danks Castillo - 2B Punto - 3B Cuddyer - RF Morneau - 1B Hunter - CF Redmond - C Cirillo - DH Kubel - LF Bartlett - SS Bonser

QUOTE(Al Lopez @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:18 PM) Let's go back a little further. Rich Gossage and Terry Forster for one year of Richie Zisk and the forgetttable Silvio Martinez. One of Bill Veeck's money-dictated moves, and probably the worst. Goose and Forster would have been 1 year guys as well. 1977 was a fun season. Did you know that Forster hit .576 in 1972, the year before the DH and was a career .397 hitter?

QUOTE(fathom @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) Great bullpen and a manager who will get his starting pitcher out of the game sooner, rather than later. How is it that their bullpen is good year in and year out, when we get told putting together a bullpen is a crapshoot?

QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:11 PM) another one is how about the signing of colon. colon pitched 1 season for us, and all the expectations we had of winning the world series and such, he went 13-12 or somethin around there, and we missed the playoffs KW traded garbage for Colon. It was one of his better trades. The 2003 team had a lot of talent. It should have made the playoffs.

You look at the Twins line-up and you wonder how they don't lose 90 games every year.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:00 PM) I knew someone who pick that one. Amazing. A trade that has worked out fabulously for us, and its somehow one of the worst ever. In five years, sure, we may look back and wish we had Young. MAYBE. Or maybe not. Either way, we got an above average SP for a big question mark, so its kind of ridiculous to even mention it as one of the worst trades ever. I do agree with you here, though. The signing itself wasn't the big negative - its the fact that the signing meant we were passing up on other opportunities. ANY other opportunities. Wouldn't an above average pitcher have an above average record and ERA on a team that has won more games than it has lost? How has it worked out fabulously for the Sox? Vazquez's mediocrity has helped the Sox finish 3rd last season and they are 3rd this. Signing him to a lucrative extension probably will mean the end for guys with better track records like Buerhle. That and the Sox could really use a right handed hitting CF.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 29, 2007 -> 05:43 PM) True, but how would 1997 Sox do if they had a Roger Clemens or even average league pitcher in Jaime's spot? The embarrasing White Flag Trade wouldn't have happened. That's true too. With Clemens in the fold White Sox history would have a different look. But if you looked at the 4 previous seasons of Clemens' career and looked at Navarro's numbers with the Cubs, you could see why they would have shied away from the Rocket. Maybe that's when he started taking his vitamins.

Put it this way, there is no one who thinks KW and Ozzie are more responsible for a White Sox World Championship than KW and Ozzie.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 29, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) Steve Sax, Jaime Navarro, Royce Clayton (just for the money we paid him and the how much of a cancer he was.) Navarro seems obvious, but Schueler found a team that actually gave the Sox valuable parts to a division winner for him in Milwaukee. Valentin and Eldred.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 29, 2007 -> 05:21 PM) Todd Ritchie deal, although just about everyone involved was crap. And one I always hated was Durham for Adkins. The sadder thing about that deal was the Sox picked up all but the minimum pro-rated requirement the A's had to pay in that deal. Totally useless.

Doug Drabek for a washed up Roy Smalley Jr.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ May 29, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) Sounds like you are saying I'd have to call the traveling secretary to find out which of the two hotels. Thanks for the feedback. When I went in 2003 they stayed at the Marriott. Then I saw in the media guide they started staying at the Westin. They are literally right next to each other. You can go to either one without stepping outside. I would stay where you can get the best deal.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:15 AM) This trip should be a ton of fun. The tickets are purchased...now, where to stay? I want to stay at the Sox hotel. Anyone know where they stay in Baaahhh-stin? Maybe I can find Buerhle in the bar and get him to sign my ticket stub from the no-hitter. They either stay at the Marriott or Westin in the Back Bay which is an easy walk to Fenway. Get the room on priceline.com. Bid on the Back Bay. Look at biddingfortravel.com to get an idea what to bid. You may get the Westin or Marriott. When I went I got the Sheraton which was really nice. You have access to the other hotels without going outside.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 28, 2007 -> 08:33 PM) And to think that Hawk was GM of the Sox at one point... He picked up Ivan Calderon for nothing. Got Bobby Bonilla for nothing. Traded away Britt Burns and he never pitched again. He really didn't do a bad job. The team was doomed that season. Seaver wanted out. He wound up trading Bonilla back to Pittsburg but got Jose DeLeon who eventually turned into Lance Johnson. Calderon eventually turned into Tim Raines. Hawk really wasn't as bad as most will have you believe.

QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ May 29, 2007 -> 07:34 AM) I'd like to see what our record @ Minny was from 2001-2003. It was probably pretty ugly, and my guess is Bob remembers those games as well... But there is no doubt, in my opinion, the Twins enjoy the best home field advantage in baseball. And they pull out games like last night because it. Not to mention, Ozzie helped out the cause last night by leaving Contreras in way too long... He might have left him in too long, but the bullpen is loaded with gascans who can't throw strike 1.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 28, 2007 -> 05:11 PM) I don't see how people can slam Masset. He has some nice secondary stuff and as a starter he has an above average fastball that sustains its velocity and life late into games. Masset had a great start. His first start of his career. I don't know how you can come to the conclusion his fastball sustains its velocity late into games when he didn't pitch late into the game. I was very encouraged by his start, but lets remember a couple things. The wind was howling straight in at 25 mph. It was about 45 degrees, and it was against a team that is struggling. BY Kim just shut the Cubs down, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near the White Sox rotation.

Is Montero available? Andy has no business being in the major leagues either,

QUOTE(fathom @ May 28, 2007 -> 03:56 PM) I'm very concerned about KW's quotes last offseason about how he won't "play" in this crazy market. This team has a s***load of holes over the next few years to fill....maybe more than we've had in 10 years. I was looking at the Tampa talent. It is far superior to the White Sox young guys. When these pitchers start to depart, it could get very ugly for a long time at USCF.