Dick Allen

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 11:34 AM) Nonetheless, you can't blame KW for making the trade at the time he made it. And holding it against Javy for the rest of his White Sox career because he was 1 of 4 guys who weren't getting the job done when we needed them doesn't seem quite fair to me either. Which is probably what led him to react that way. He probably has tried damn near everything and is running out of answers. There comes a point when nothing else can be done. Why can't you fault him? Because you say so? He also gave up El Duque and Vizcaino and relied on Politte and Cotts and an injured Hermanson to repeat their 2005 performances. It was a dumb trade. Now 2 years before he loses control of Vazquez he signs him to an extension. This isn't some 25 year old kid that just needs a couple of breaks and he'll find himself. He's hopelessly around .500 just about every season.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:26 AM) Except he's only making $9.5 million, from the Sox. And there are 100 more pressing problems that can be pointed out, besides the results from a fourth starter whose overall stats would be much better than the average MLB 4th starter. It is what it is. We won this exact same type of game last year when our offense scored four runs for Javy early in the game. Expecting our starters to give up 0 or 1 runs per game is simply unrealistic. The harder they try to be too "fine," that's when you'll start seeing 3-5 runs given up per game by starters. He was the one who got the Sox behing 4 early. Look at Vazquez's White Sox career. He has had the lead in the vast majority of games he has pitched. Last season he had the lead in all but 3 or 4 starts and still sucked. He is what he is. Stop making excuses for his overpaid, overhyped ass.

If Crede has the surgery now, I wonder what he'll think of Boras for making sure he didn't do it last winter.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:43 AM) Last I checked, Javy had to throw a shutout to win tonight, yet you two are putting any blame on him at all? Just brilliant. He didn't have a good outing, but 4 runs allowed in 6 innings against the 4th best offense and perhaps the most talented lineup in baseball isn't a bad days work. Rip the deal all you want to, but mentioning Vazquez's name in a negative light and ripping him at all in this thread is an absolute joke. And when posters b**** for minor leaguers like that, they are b****ing for Jake Peavy or Jeremy Bonderman or even Matt friggin Garza. Pitchers with Buehrle and Garland's stuff can never dominate over the course of a year, but they can pitch well. Pitchers with Contreras's stuff in 2005 and Vazquez now and maybe Gio have that chance. No one in AAA brings that, and there might be like 5 pitchers in the entire organization that bring that as a starter, and that's a big if. Right now, this is about organizational ineptitude, as KW seems to want power arms that get a ton of strikeouts and Cooper is a pitching coach that tells his pitchers to pitch to contact. You really can't have it both ways. This organization needs to get on the same page up and down. That's a 6.00 ERA and it sucks. He threw so many pitches he had to be lifted. At $12.5 million its not crazy to expect more. Excepting this as not a bad game from him and looking at his strikeouts is something teams have been doing the last 4 seasons with him. The object of the game is to win. Its nice to see DJ question his concentration last night.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:47 PM) You don't put a winner on the field, no one goes to see the games. Who's going to want to pay 40+ bucks to go and see this team look like a group of zombies that don't even care? I don't blame anyone for not going. Especially these "premium" games when they jack the prices up. I also wonder if calling a couple games when they could have been played is actually blowing up in their faces. If there's a couple clouds in the sky and even a slight chance of showers, does someone want to drive an hour or more, fight traffic only to sit around and have the game called? And on top of it tell you the ticket you bought is only good for an afternoon game in August.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:37 PM) The problem with getting Crawford now is that he's going to be a FA in a few years. And it appears the tumbleweeds are poised to make a return to USCF in 2008. They haven't been close to selling out these Yankee games. QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:44 PM) We should try our best to sign Ichiro while keeping Tadahito in the process. Tadahito is getting prematurely old IMO. I was all for signing him earlier, but I think there are some pretty good secondbaseman available after this season who wouldn't break the bank.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) The problem with getting Crawford now is it destroys our pitching depth when you know we won't be signing any free agent pitchers The Sox don't have any pitching depth IMO. I do like Gio, but other than that, maybe the kid in A ball. Everyone else pretty much sucks.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:36 PM) Chris Young with another mammoth homer tonight. That was a great trade.

I just hope KW isn't too stubborn and thinks if they're 10 games out with 11 to play against Cleveland or Detroit or whoever, that they still have a chance like we heard so many times before. These are guys he's going to lose, he might as well get something for them if the situation stays as bleak as it is right now. I think he should think about trading anyone depending on what he could get back, whether they have a contract for next year or not. I'd love to see some GM as in love with Vazquez's strikeouts as KW offer him a deal he couldn't refuse.

I think Fields will be a strikeout machine. Prinz looks like he sucks. KW talked about pitching depth in the organization, yet when middle relievers bomb out, he just has more garbage to throw on the mound. I'm sure glad he found $34 million to give to Vazquez. Owens shouldn't be leading off. Since the first half of 2005, the White Sox have had one of their worst on base guys leading off nearly every game. We get shown the stats with Pods doing well in the leadoff spot how the team does well. Wouldn't that suggest that having a decent lead off hitter is an important part of the offense? KW better go get one, because there isn't one on the White Sox, or in their minor league system or on their DL.

But did you see all the strikeouts Javy Vazquez was able to accumulate?

QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 06:10 PM) Walk: "We would like to see Owens try going the other way with the ball, using all parts of the field" blasphemy He's lying. Walker is telling him to try to hit every ball onto the concourse. I hope someone called him on it.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 06:07 PM) And Pods K's, I believe that nets everyone in the park a free burger. Was it classic Pods. Strike 3 looking?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 06:06 PM) TQ, He's not even close to that this year. In fact, offensively he is in the bottom 3rd, defensively, he is still up in the top five. As far as his clutch-ness, check out how many guys he has been leaving on base. He is flat out hurting the team right now, and its at least nice to have a guy who may actually bring some healthy at bats onto the field. I personally think Josh could put up the same numbers offensively as Crede right now. This is actually a good point. I personally think Fields is overhyped, and don't think he'll be much of a major leaguer. But he only has to hit .216 to be giving you 2007 Joe Crede production, and he's probably capable of that. Its not saying much but Crede's been garbage this year.

Considering how well Durant played while he was so weak, it will be interesting to see how much better he gets when a team gets him to hit the weights. I wonder how Larry Bird would have done on these drills. He was pretty good. You have to take Odon #1, but I think Durant is going to the HOF. The names of the players previously that have scored the highest on these drills haven't exactly become NBA stars. If Durant isn't picked #2 it will be an idiotic move that someone will be known for for a long while.

Fizer actually was playing pretty well before he got injured with the Bulls.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 02:34 PM) I hear you. A healthy club is a winning club The Tigers have been able to overcome injury, and the alleged fatigue that comes from playing the previous postseason.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 01:09 PM) Will he go the Sweeney and Owens route of rocking for a while, until Greg Walker gets to pick his mind and get the crazy thought of pull pull pull stuck in his head? For the love of God, quit blaming Walker for everyone's approach. If he truely was preaching what everyone is saying, what a leader he must be if everyone is willing to listen to him, and give up millions in potential income and piss away their careers. Disregard Fields' strikeout totals in the minors. If he fans as much in the majors or even more, I'm sure it will be Walker's fault.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) The Sox were 24-6 last year when Pods stole a base in a game. I don't know what it means, but we need more stats like that this year. I think what it means is KW should find the best lead off hitter he can find, and quit with the patchwork.

From the Tribune, "Ozzie told me don't come back until you're ready to steal a base," Podsednik said. "I'm most valuable when I'm on base. Without my ability to steal a base, I'm pretty much useless." At least he's realistic.

Crede's back is acting up. May go on DL.

QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 04:32 PM) I thought we had a 95 win caliber team because I figured the offense was going to show up like they have in previous years... :-) It looks like you should call yourself out.

They both showed why they belong in AAA very fast.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 11:17 AM) Theres not many things that Jones can do that MackoWack doesnt do for us. He may hit with a bit more power, but thats it. Murton would be really nice. Deep down I wish it was Big Z The only problem with Murton is if you have to put a glove on his left hand. He's as brutal an OF as there is. His bat is nice, and I think if he played regularly would even be nicer.

We who question anything are stooges obviously. KW is a genius. Of course he thought the team he put together for over $100 million had a great bullpen.