Dick Allen

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Pods, LF Iguchi, 2B Everett, DH PK, 1B AJ, C Dye, RF Rowand, CF Uribe, SS Crede, 3B Garcia, RHP. JR has to open the checkbook this offseason and get a real #3 hitter. But I'm glad they got Konerko back the the clean-up spot. Maybe Everett will get hot. The Sox could really use him.

The Sox are going to have to figure out how to score some runs. If they only get 4 in this series, they will be very lucky to win one. Garcia, Buehrle and Garland have to pitch like they did earlier in the season. Hopefully Garcia can go at least 7 or 8 innings tonight to set the bullpen up for the whole series.

Cleveland has won 12 out of 13. They have to cool off sometime, don't they?

For the "gamer" this guy was cracked up to be, check out his .161 average with 16 strikeouts in September. He's all talk. Talk with your bat, #8.

QUOTE(whitesoxgt @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 06:37 PM) Whats wrong with McCarthy Ozzie?????? u said he wasn't a cy young winner, neither is Hernandez ;-) Neither is anyone on the Sox staff.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 06:44 AM) I thought we have to face the Twins and Santana again? I believe we have four more games with them at the Cell. Santana will pitch against the Sox next Thursday I believe. Hopefully whoever starts for the White Sox will be able to pitch a shutout and hopefully the Sox will be able to score in extra innings when Santana is removed.

On Sep. 7 the lead was 9 1/2. People were starting to fret and doubt the Sox then. If this is what drives them and has them lose 6 games in the standings in 12 days with no head to head games against the compitition, I'd hate to see what would happen if nobody worried. This would be the biggest collapse in major league history. After looking like a AA team in KC, where they were lucky they weren't swept, they have scored a whopping 2 runs in 2 games in Minneapolis. I don't think the prospects for victory are very good Sunday afternoon. This team is choking big time.

Cleveland leads 3-0 and they have nobody out in the first.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) The worst thing about this is, IF the worst-case scenario plays out we can never trust ANY lead the Sox might ever have again. ...and I'm not even sure how much I'm kidding about that.... You are right. If they don't make the playoffs this will be a more damaging season than if they lost 100 games.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) What is Ozzie ball anyway? I have no idea what kind of ball he is trying to get his team to play at this point. I'll take the bashing and the heat if it comes. Or the yawns and crickets for that matter. Ozzie is a train wreck of a Major League Baseball manager. You got that right.

This franchise hasn't won a championship in 88 years, and hasn't played in a World Series in 46 years. Spoiled is not a word you could possibly associate with White Sox fans.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) The Corpseball 2005 Award for Futility goes to a coach who gets the least of of his talent. What does it say when Uribe can't hit sour apples, goes to Hriniak for a couple of days, and the next thing you know, he's the most dangerous hitter in the line-up? I think it means you need a better hitting coach.

One thing this collapse does bring is the obvious vision that this team has a hell of a lot of flaws. It isn't JR being cheap, the Sox have the highest payroll in the division by far, in fact it is $34 million higher than Cleveland. I'm pretty sure if this team didn't have this stretch and won the division by 15 games, there wouldn't be many changes even if they were swept in the first round of the playoffs. KW and more importantly JR now see this team needs to be a lot better no matter what Ozzie says. I hope this collapse, while I know it won't cause Ozzie his job, will at least take away his influence on roster make-up.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) Thanks Walt Hrniak and his leg kick hitting trigger. Bring him back. Walker doesn't seem to be getting through to his hitters.

I hope they try something different against Santana next week. Santana's ERA against the Sox his last 7 starts is less than 1.00.

Dye is lost.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) Cleveland got the memo, KC is the worst team in baseball. They will sweep them. We however have our number one and number 2 pitches s*** the bed, and our closer give up a bunch of hits. We scored a bunch of runs against the worst pitching staff in baseball and some people on here thought our offense was fixed. Run the Charlotte Knights out there and they will put up a 5-9 spot against the Royals. Prior to Hermanson s***ting his pants, KC had lost 158 out of 159 games when trailing in the 9th.

Why do other teams get hits off Santana?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) We took two 300+ hitters and replaced them with guys who hit 30 points less as their career average. Exactly. We took 2 guys who hit 300 with 30+ homers and 100+ rbis and replaced them with guys who hit for a lower average, score fewer runs and drive in fewer runs, and we were told that the offense was more balanced. The difference between this year's team and the past several is the pitching.

Duque has 2 wins since June 8th. If Ozzie insists on keep throwing him out there, playoff ticket refunds will commence Oct. 2.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) There's going to be a ton of Ozzie bashing around baseball and the radio today. The decision to start Duque today was worse than Manuel's decision to start Cotts against the Yankees. At least some people thought Cotts had a chance to succeed that game. To be honest with you, I'm glad he started today. They aren't going to beat Santana with any of their starters, so why waste a potential good start, and El Duque showed he should not be on the mound the rest of his life. I doubt even Ozzie could defend him now.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Vizcaino saves el duque. Only down by 4. It might as well be 20. They aren't going to get 4 off of Santana.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) Huge understatement. He must be the easiest pitcher to steal off of in baseball. It almost guaranteed you will get to second if you run on Contreras. Its a lot harder to get to first off him, however.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) 3.2 IP, 8 H, 4 ER, 4 BB, 103 pitches What a f***ing joke. What makes it a bigger joke is the line-up he was facing.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) The catcher just stole a base, eh? He runs pretty well, El Duque is easy to steal on though.