Dick Allen

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 06:54 PM) Sox have done an outstanding job at keeping players healthy. Trust them to do the same moving forward. Why ride Riding hard in a rebuilt year? If much rather limit his innings to Dave good seem for when we are competitive again I agree with this. There is no reason for him to throw 220 innings for the White Sox in 2017.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 05:40 PM) MLB Trade Rumors‏ @mlbtraderumors 3h3 hours ago Brett Lawrie Not Yet Ready To Pursue New Contract http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/brett-lawrie-not-yet-ready-pursue-new-contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ct.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ct.html … Makes me think he couldn't pass a physical or is stil a ways from playing. Considering he was close then got worse several times, maybe it wasn't the orthotics. Maybe he over trained.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) They paid $62M for Moncada because that's what the going rate was at the time for a potential cost-controlled superstar in an unconstrained market. I'm still not understanding why you think that makes him more valuable Benintendi, who was a victim of a constrained marketplace like the vast majority of prospects. And below is a comment from DD on how they evaluated the potential trade. They completely ignored sunk costs and focused exclusively on future production vs. future costs. They actually felt that in a vacuum 12+ cost-controlled years of Moncada & Kopech was more valuable than three years of Chris Sale. However, they were willing to forgoe some projected surplus value because of how well he fit into their competitive window. That's the proper way of evaluating a decision like this. Worrying about your cost-basis in asset is not. I never mentioned Benitendi. I'm just mentioning Moncada. Yes, the cost is sunk but it's like they paid in advance. Most teams wouldn't trade Yoan Moncada away even for Chris Sale had they invested the money in him, he wasn't a big flop and is maybe a year, if that, from contrubting, and many evaluators see him as a future star. Who knows, maybe if Benitendi struggled in 30 ABs and Moncada looked really good during his September call up, Benitendi is a White Sox. It could be Moncada being questionable at best to be a contributor in 2017 was what DD was looking at. He's never met a prospect he couldn't trade, and this trade pretty much proved it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) I said this a few pages back, but how long would people have been willing to keep negotiating with Boston over this deal, and would they have been OK with it collapsing because of asking too much if that had been the case? Keep in mind, we had two other deals collapse over the winter at the ownership level. That's the thing. I wonder if the Sox played the hardball with this deal some wanted how they would feel if the trade wasn't made and it was reported they could have received the same 4 players for him. It's almost assured some of these guys will fail, and some lesser Red Sox prospects will have some success at some point. So the argument the Sox could have received more is probably valid, at least in a future performance sense. In the sense it would affect their prospect rankings, we will never know most likely.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) You can look at it that way, but it would be a flawed way of evaluating things. The $62M was a sunk cost and should have no impact on Moncada's value. The only two factors that drive his valuation are projected future production vs. expected future costs. He's incredibly valuable because he has a chance of becoming a cost-controlled superstar. The same logic applies Bentendi and most other elite prospects. By your logic, Benintendi is less valuable because the Red Sox were able to acquire him in a market with significant financial contraints (i.e. the draft). The reality here is that Moncada is not more valuable than Benintendi simply because he was fortunate enough to exploit a loophole for Cuban free agents and get compensated for his actual worth. The example above should just scream out how flawed this way of thinking is. The value is they paid $62 million for the cheap years of service. If he turns into a star, they re-coup their investment easily. They get Sale for 3 years. To re-coup the $100 million can be done, but the overall surplus value is going to go down if Moncada is great. I really doubt other teams would have traded him had they made the same investment, but a lot of things lined up. Sale is cheap and great, and DD wasn't around when Moncada was added to their organization.

There have been several players that skipped AAA, but he does need to go down for more seasoning and repeating AA doesn't really make sense.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) steel for the pipelines too Well it's just a one time exception he made to the Russians.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Trump is building hotels in Japan? No, they are bringing those jobs back to the US. Except for Trump ties, and shirts and such, the steel he uses to build his buildings, and Ivanka's stuff, everything needs to be made in the USA, and Trump will make it happen. Believe me. Except it's OK to use Russian steel on that ridiculous pipeline.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) The 63M Boston spent on Moncada was a sunk cost so I'm not sure that would factor in the trade negotiations. I really doubt that, or anything pertaining to money, came up in these negotiations. It was a sunk cost to them, but now the Sox get him and get to pay him peanuts for his development time and probably first 3 years of service. It's, like the trading of Sale with his status and contract situation, pretty much unprecedented. How many teams are going to shell out $60 million for a prospect and trade him before he gets 30 ABs and is ranked a top 5 prospect by just about everyone? If he's a bust, kudos to Boston for being willing to eat it. I doubt any other team would.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) He may have pointed it out, but it should have made no difference in terms of valuation. Moncada isn't more valuable than Benintendi simply because the Red Sox paid more money to acquire him in the first place. The original purchase price of an asset should have no impact on its future value. No, but usually if you invest $60 million on a 21 year old many think is the best prospect in baseball, that $60 million investment will be more than enough if the other stuff isn't enough, to keep him around, and off any table re: trades. They paid that money for his cheap seasons. You can look at it another way. The 3 years on Sale's contract cost them an extra $62 million. So he is a $30+ million a year guy in reality now. The price for the bargain vanishes. Between what the paid Mocada and what the owe Sale, Boston shells out $100 million for 3 years of service. I do have a feeling he wouldn't have been available had Dombrowski been the one who signed him.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) Extremely short sided view of how to go about a draft IMO. If you think a QB is going to be good it definitely worth the 3rd pick. I am not saying take one just to take one but if you think he is good you do. If one of these guys wind up being good it will be one of the worst blunders on Pace's resume and hold the team back even further when they could have had their guy. Especially if its a guy that they actually liked but thought "oh well we cant take him because he isnt worth a number 3, he is really like a number 15-20 pick...oh and it will create a controversy within the fanbase" I think if they were going to take a QB with the #3 pick, they wouldn't spend the money on Glennon. Yes, you most likely will need a placeholder anyway, but I think they would sign a guy a tier or so lower in salary commitment.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Sooooo, you would give him a 7/10? 8/10? Probably an 8. His Celebrity Apprentice ratings alone merit that.

Unless there is solid intel on exactly what was available and what was possibly turned down, there really isn't much of an argument unless you would be just fine having Sale in Glendale, and Moncada, Basabe, Kopech and Diaz still in Florida. I liked this trade just from Moncada alone. I never thought he would be available. Over $60 million invested and it wasn't like he washed out. I didn't like the Eaton trade, mainly because Eaton is signed for 5 years cheaply, and I'm not sold on Giolito struggling like James Shields last season being totally on some messed up mechanics. This may seem weird or stupid, but the fact that he still was pretty good in AAA indicates to me the issue wasn't mechanics. It could be a 21 year old with his first taste of the big leagues, but I actually would feel better about mechanics being an issue if he had been torched a bit in the minors. Some are happy the White Sox haven't traded Q yet. Others think the time to trade him has passed and the offers will never be better than they were. Either could be right. We don't know the offers. Besides, these are all prospects. Throw ins have outperformed the headliners many times.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) For a guy who likes to brag and boast so much, you'd think that he'd want to release his taxes to show everyone how insanely rich and successful he is. He all for everyone, except the little guy who builds his casinos that he doesn't pay. Or the promise of yuge, great jobs in Gary that he was going to give to black people, except they were $25k a year jobs he gave to white people, and he declared bankruptcy before making Gary great again, but said it was a great deal because he took his money and ran. And the people in Scotland on his golf course, where there was going to be yuge amounts of jobs and everyone was going to get rich. That worked out so well, the people signed a petition to try to keep him out of their country. You have to give him credit for being a genius PR guy, but he has a long trail of not being what he claims to be, and so many people don't even want to look at that. It is funny his sons are now going to start a less expensive Trump brand hotel in the rural areas where much of his base is. It might do well for a few years until they realize their VCR factory isn't really coming back. I get why some may want a "business man" in the WH. But not a guy who makes his money screwing over banks and people. If he's really worth the $10 billion he claims, why doesn't he do the right thing and start paying back some of the people he claims won't be forgotten, that he left holding the bag?

Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump 122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision! 6:04 AM - 7 Mar 2017 113 of the 122 were released by George W. Bush.

Obamacare was a disaster. It will be replaced by something much better, much cheaper and will cover everyone. Believe me.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) White House put out a press release praising Exxon Mobile with language copied verbatim from Exxon's own release. https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/83887...src=twsrc%5Etfw The plan has been in place for 4 years, but it's really all Trump. Jobs, jobs, jobs. We keep winning. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-...s-to-grow-jobs/

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) Partly this, but honestly I think it is mostly just that Trump's whole campaign was based on fear. Fear of the "other". Thus he had to make certain risks seem REALLY BAD, including this. And being the narcissist he is, he is more than happy to swing a bat and look tough regardless of A) if it actually makes a difference in safety or B) if it ruins people's lives. And it's also foolproof. It will be a success no matter what. No one from these countries has harmed a US citizen on American soil in over 40 years. If it makes it to 44, Trump was the one who kept everyone safe. It will be interesting to see what the majority of republican politicians do once Obamacare is gone and tax cuts approved. They can't continue to accept the constant nonsense.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Really well thought out plan. Pakistan is excluded (wife of the San Bernardino attacker) as is Saudi Arabia (most of the 9/11 assailants). The terrorists are pouring in.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) The biggest change for the positive is no more Robin. That should be good for at least 10 extra wins alone. The only thing is that's offset by the loss of Sale, Eaton, and others. I don't see us being worse, but don't see us being better either. That's hysterical. 10 games. One thing Renteria was criticized heavily about when he ran the Cubs was bullpen management. I'm sure it won't take long for anyone thinking he's worth 10 more wins to act like they never thought that. No Sale, and a offense that was terrible without Eaton. I wouldn't hold your breath thinking this team will be anything but terrible.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Come on Hawkeyes, pull off the win against Indiana. I think we need two wins to be in, but at least a win against Indiana will at least make selection Sunday interesting as a Hawkeye fan All they have to do is repeat what they did the last week and a half, beat Indiana, Wisconsin and Maryland, and they are in the finals. They are NIT bound, but there is cause for some optimism in the future even losing Jok. They finally have more than one really legit 3 point guy. I also think Fran's son is going to be a stud.

Doesn't matter. Unless this guy is willing to take $300k, the Dodgers are out.

Maybe 3-5 inches of snow next Saturday. C'mon man.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) No but you know as well as anyone that JR has always pushed to keep the league as a more fair playing field by restricting spending. If there are rules or practices to restrict spending (penalties) he will rarely go beyond this. He has made exceptions. Not many, but a few. If he ever was going to do this, now is the time. Most of the big boys are out, and it is really the last time for this situation. If the White Sox scouts think he is as good as advertised, not making an effort if he is declared befor 6/15 would be shameful. This is getting another key piece in a Sale, Eaton, Q trade for money. If the guy got Moncada money, I wouldn't blame the White Sox for backing out. But the restriction the next 2 periods as an excuse would be pretty sad.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 06:21 AM) The day the White Sox do anything outside of the rules and regulations set forth by MLB regarding spending on amateurs will be the day the world ends . They will not go over allotment and incur penalties. The end. It isn't outside the rules.