Dick Allen

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) So you can remember random caulfield posts from 4 years ago but you can't remember who you were arguing with 5 minutes ago? \ Flash Tizzle. But it is a cleaver way of not answering a question.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Them setting a price and sticking to it is exactly why we have JB Shuck as our starting CFer. Their prices are terrible. They are both incredibly conscious of how a longterm expensive deal can hamstring a team and completely ignorant of how their routine raiding and horrible player development hamstrings them longterm. If Sale must be traded for one price that doesn't exist, then, you can finish that. I have complete confidence a better GM could have created a more interesting package for Sale by starting a bidding war at a lower price than by saying "give me your major league offense!" to a bunch of playoff teams. Boston, LA, Texas. The other guy refused to answer, what is the bare minimum from each you would think the Sox should take?

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Again, I don't understand why you are focusing this on Chris Sale. I never even mentioned him in my original post. Maybe because you are complaining in the Sale thread.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) I have ten years of running an awful organization to criticize them for. You also don't know what has been offered so to defend them is ridiculous. Players/teams/organizations can earn the benefit of the doubt but all this organization does is constantly make the wrong move. Until they do something different, anything different, my first reaction is going to be to criticize because that's what they've earned. I don't know what the offers are either, but they set a price and are sticking with it. I think that is good strategy. If Sale must be traded, he can still be traded after the season.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Because this is my favorite team and I have to watch them every year? You don't have to watch them at all. If they make you so miserable there are lots of other things to spend your time with. People take this stuff way too seriously. There is a thread on the main page that should put any of this into perspective. There is a lot worse than can happen to you than having to watch Chris Sale pitch for the White Sox the next 2 months.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) Ok, well you don't know what offers have been made either.. that argument can work both ways. Doesn't change the fact that I still have zero faith in this front office making the right move. If in your mind whatever they do will be wrong, why are you so interested?

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) What does that have to do with it? My post wasn't a move Sale/Q for whatever you can get post. There are plenty of moves that could have been made outside of our starting pitching. Its time to s*** or get off the pot, what does this organization aspire to be? Mediocre is not an acceptable answer, he flat out said this is a mediocre team. If you acknowledge your team is mediocre, and you do nothing about it, what does that tell you as a fan? It has everything to do with it.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Please provide details on why they deserve the benefit of the doubt. You don't know the offers, so to criticize them for not taking them is ridiculous. I have read many times on this board if Boston doesn't over their 4 top prospects, then no Chris Sale for them. Now the only reports out there say they will not offer their top prospect and the White Sox are losers for not settling. You could see this coming for weeks. Unless the White Sox were able to acquire the unreasonable packages proposed on here, it was going to be a b**** fest whether they traded him for less, which apparently you think is a good idea, or not trade him at all, which is supposedly bad. That said, there is still 90 minutes to go. Something will more than likely happen.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Unless something drastic happens, Hahn has come out and said this team is "mired in mediocrity" and yet, does not do anything about it.. As a fan, not a good look at all. Zero faith in this organization to make the right move. Please provide details of the deals they have turned down.

Pederson is a LH Todd Frazier at the plate, only he hits fewer homers.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) If we're not going to compete, it's a risk I'm willing to take, or support, rather. Plus, at least he'd make this team more entertaining. That's a good point too. If they are going to rebuild, they have to have someone around to keep it interesting.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) He was just live on espn b****ing about Mike Sirotka, haha. So he did have a grudge against KW.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) There was a time not too long ago when the prospect of acquiring Puig was definitely intriguing. But given his continuing struggles offensively in the National League, not so sure I'm keen on acquiring him and putting him in an American League lineup that is already next to last in the league in offense. He has a ton of talent, but you do have a point. There is nothing to suggest he would break his malaise coming to the White Sox.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) He did say to expect huge things this deadline, unlike years past... but idk about that now I remember watching ESPN BBTN in 2004 at the deadline. There was a flurry of activity right at the closing bell. Sox got Contreras, Sawks traded Nomah...

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) That's the key, selling at the right time where Sale and or Q are still effective pitchers. Not to say they won't be 17' or 18' offseason, but let's say the worst occurs with injury or ineffectiveness -- we're in a terrible position. Our future in large part depends more on the success of either pitcher's return value than how well they pitch for us. We're going nowhere with two AL, Top 5 Cy Younf candidates. That's depressing as hell. How can Hahn possibly feel anything but shame wasting that talent? So what is the bare minimum you would take for each today?

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) Two hours to go, I still have faith that Zach Duke isn't the only trade. I would be shocked if it is. Considering how he was used, despite him not being the greatest, it was a sign of the towel being waved. Of course, except for Sale and Q, most of the Sox "chips" can probably clear waivers.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) It's sad how predictable their failures are. Just like we're hear in December that the market is oversaturated with SP on the block, which decreases our pitchers value, and "why would someone give up all of that for Sale when they can pay half for Archer?" Last I checked, the best starter traded this deadline is Hill and he's on the DL. So it looks like failure is a league wide thing.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) Absofrickinglutely. It's been horrible so many years when it was the Sox who always added-on to any deal, did all of the sweetening, to get the guy they just had to have (a/k/a "Kenny's guy"), no matter what. If it takes being hardcore to change that perception, you do it. That's also a form of "laying the groundwork." I think there's little doubt some of the power teams are applying the pressure because they know Hahn, KW, and company have an under-performing team with little help available on the farm. They see low-hanging fruit and they're looking to swipe it. Too bad. Given their talent/surplus (value) mix, Sale and Q are both insanely valuable trade chips. In Sale's case, we're talking perhaps a once in a generation trade chip. You don't give that away just because we're poor (baseball asset wise) and our trading partners are rich. Nobody wants to be the 40s - 60s teams that essentially functioned as the Yankees minor leagues. You want Sale? You want Q? Fine, we'll trade, but we expect to be wow'd. We don't have to give them up. (PS -- While we don't have to give them up now, I'd love to give them up if they get the RIGHT deal, because sooner or later -- perhaps off-season 17/18 -- we really will have to give them up for what we can get.) And if you cave on these guys, there isn't a player you won't cave on. They want them, they have to make a painful decision. I don't know why people would be upset they didn't move these guys when other teams didn't want to meet their price. A lesser package and they would be complaining about the prospects in a month or so.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 12s13 seconds ago @whitesox decision to deal Shields hinges on if he'll exercise opt-out after season. Dealt good piece (SS Fernando Tatis Jr.) to get him. First off why would he opt out? Secondly, Hahn did say they would be compensated if he did. Since there is no QO, I assume he meant SD would give them something.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 33s34 seconds ago Jersey City, NJ red sox, dodgers, rangers have been 3 main teams in on sale/quintana. no sense at moment anything's close w/them They all are aware of the cost. A deal could get done as fast as they can say yes. Kudos to the White Sox for not budging.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:25 PM) Puig LF Tilson CF Eaton RF and DH Melky. That'd take away Morneau. Morneau has been one of the more enjoyable hitters to watch since he came back.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Gonzalez, maybe? I think maybe they stopped for 15 minutes to eat lunch.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Joel Sherman says he is told RedSox not discussing Sale Maybe at the moment. Looks like they still can use some starting pitching.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) I'm sure they're doing plenty. It would be awesome to be in their offices right now.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) Puig only has three years of control left. Their interest is pretty telling to me that they plan on competing next year and pretty much signals zero chance at a complete rebuild. It would make zero sense to trade Sale and Quintana and then turn around and trade for Puig. Or they trade for him while his value is low, he has a bounce back and they trade him for a huge profit.