Dick Allen

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) LOL - boy, you'll throw anything against the wall and hope it'll stick, won't you? This is one of your better or weaker attempts, depending on how you look at it. Let me spell it out for you - 25 years of getting all of the revenues with practically none of the expenses associated with a Major League Baseball stadium is going to go a long ways towards establishing billionaire status in this world. A long ways! Gotta hand it to the 'ol SOB - he knew what he was doing back in the '80s when he pulled this scheme off with the new stadium. He's a billionaire today as a result. I know you will refuse to admit you are wrong, but here is something explaining the Forbes list and explaining how JRs net worth skyrocketed, not due toa 25 year old lease, but on the sale of the Clippers. Looking at the Internet before the sale his net worth was estimated between $280 million and $350 million. http://www.magazine.org/industry-news/pres...lionaires-issue

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Their bullpen is average right now. Trading away Hochevar will make their bullpen a weak point. With their starting pitching the way it is, that's an awful move to make. At the All Star break, I believe their rotation was 29th in IP. Only Cincinnati was worse and it was real close. A couple of post seasons and that will probably take it's toll on their bullpen moving forward.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) I don't necessarily want to trade sale, but I'd argue that trading Quintana/robertson/jennings/frazier would get us to the playoffs faster than trying to add with an organization that: - Has limited farm resources that people want (hey look over at Cleveland where they are legitimately able to add Andrew Miller. We would struggle to add an average CFer) - Has a virtually exhausted payroll. But this is the point where Hahn expected the reserves from the recommitment to the draft/farm to pay off. But here we are, the expense of adding ML starters came at the cost of all depth, and still requires upgrades. Bad CF, the worst DH in baseball (not looking that up but I'm sure it's close to true), terrible catcher situation, zero SP depth, top heavy bullpen. You punt now so you can get a wave of young talent at once, so you don't end up with 1 superstar on a weak roster that we have currently. Danks is coming off the books next year. They are always thought to be broke, but do add payroll from time to time. They were in on Gordon and Cespedes, and Tanaka a few years ago. There is money someplace. As far as Andrew Miller, he could have been had for $9 million or so a year. In the Sox sign Duke thread, there were people who stated they would rather have Duke than Miller. They have seemed reluctant to go bold. The half assed stuff has continued to burn them and they go back to it. Maybe something will change there.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) http://www.forbes.com/profile/jerry-reinsdorf/ I doubt JR gave Forbes any information regarding his finances. Whether or not he is a billionaire we really don't know. Not even his partners know how much of the White Sox he owns. I don't know about the Bulls but considering they are now valued at $2.3 billion, it's probably safe to assume he has a ton of money on paper. I would imagine most of us would like to trade bank accounts with him as well, but that is an estimate which may be accurate and may not be accurate.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Under the (sweetheart lease) deal, the Sox didn't have to pay a fee for use of the stadium until 2008. In 2015, that fee amounted to about $1.6 million. The Sox also must pay a fee on each ticket sold in excess of 1.93 million in paid attendance. Since 2008, the Sox have paid that fee only in 2010, when games drew 2.2 million fans. However, the Sox were allowed to apply a credit based on the taxes the team paid that year, reducing the ticket fee payment from $455,974 to $95,531. "The White Sox didn't have that much of an incentive to really pack the place," Sanderson said. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sox-...0521-story.html Before sweetheart lease deal = Reinsdorf NOT a billionaire. 25 years later after state subsidization per sweetheart lease terms = Reinsdorf net worth of $1.3 billion So as you can see, you are right - Reinsdorf is all about the money, if you care to pay attention to the details of the sweetheart lease deal he got rammed down the taxpayers' throats back in 1988, and from which he's been reaping the benefits BIG TIME for the past 25 years. But because he gets subsidized for low attendance, he could easily go in for a full rebuild and his pocketbook would never know the difference. Amazing what little tidbits of information you find lying in the details! His billionaire status if true doesn't have much to do with the lease. The guy who bought the Clippers made JR a billionaire on paper. But I guess that was a detail you wanted to ignore.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) If the Sox decided to truly sell - so trading Sale, Q, Eaton, Abreu, Frazier, Melky, Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Duke - they'd probably walk away with far and away the best farm system in baseball. And then it would be a complete roll of the dice on whether it would work or not. Exactly. People were excited about Avi Garcia. People were excited about Courtney Hawkins. People were excited about Matt Davidson. Obviously some of the guys the Sox could get back for their better players are better prospects, but those guys totally bust or are mediocre players as well. Unless it's a guy who is going to be leaving your team in the next year or 2 and you really have no realistic chance to compete, I don't understand trading a guy like Sale hoping that what you get is a superstar one day. You already have that.

If Hahn trades Sale for near ready prospects and he goes on like most expect and a couple of the prospects fail, despite the calls for rebuild, prospects, prospects,prospects, it will be fun to read what a fool he was to make the trade. Just remember, having a highly ranked farm system doesn't mean years upon years of winning. Just check out the Twins.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) Well, that has always been conventional baseball wisdom. However, as a counter argument, think about this: Conventional baseball wisdom also asserts that it is easier to hit a pitcher, the second or third time through the lineup. That notion is based upon the concept that the hitter can begin to get accustomed to what the pitcher is throwing. If that's true, how does hitting BP fastballs, from a shorter distance, off the mound, help the hitter to get "accustomed" to anything?. It takes the hitter's eye a little while to get used to the speed of the ball. While a BP fastball, thrown from a shorter distance, may approximate the reaction time, the speed, at which the pitch is traveling is vastly different. Major League hitters have the bat speed to catch up to high 90's pitches. However, their eyes require some adjustment to pick up the ball, if they have just been looking at pitches traveling 70 miles an hour. Several years ago, in my 50's, we owned a Atec Casey, Pro pitching machine. The boys used to take a lot of batting practice. I couldn't resist and spent many hours, for several years, hitting with the family. I didn't have strong enough hands to catch up to the fastest pitches, but did pretty well with the off speed stuff, including the curve balls and sliders. What originally got me thinking about the subject of the article, to which I referred, was that I noticed how hard it was for my eyes to adjust to the faster pitches, after looking at off speed stuff. I could eventually see a 90 mile an hour fast ball, on any given day, but not until seeing several of them, especially after seeing a lot of slower pitches. So, while my lack of strength and bat speed made it difficult to hit the "heaters," my eyes could at least get used to the higher velocity pitches, but not immediately. Each new session required seeing several fastballs, before my eyes could pick it up. I've spoken to lots of guys who have played baseball, and they agreed with my observation. In much the same way, after looking a several fast balls, a curve ball almost appeared to be traveling in slow motion. It was hard to wait on those pitches, which seemed to take forever to reach the plate. I found them very easy to hit. Of course, I knew they were coming, so I was able to keep my front shoulder in, and not "bail" on the balls that broke from inside, into the strike zone. The eyes had to adjust to the speed, in either case. FYI, 70 MPH from 46 feet is the equivalent of 92 MPH from regular distance. You would absolutely kill your pitching staff if you had them throw BP like a game.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) I think for Sale and Quintana they could bring back two MLB ready impact young players (Jackie Bradley Jr., Betts, Joc Pederson, Corey Seager some names as examples) then six near ready studs (Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, etc. from Boston. Just to name a few) and then a few very young prospects that are a few years away. That's just a ball park of what they'd need to get back. Truth is Hahn and the front office got the Avi trade wrong but did get a couple lower prospects that were used as trade bait (Montas, Wendelken). Do I trust them to sell and rebuild again? I don't think so. I think the sox need to clean house in the front office and bring in some fresh blood. Then completely rebuild the team. If they kept Hahn however, I wouldn't hate it if Q was moved at the deadline for a deal Hahn couldn't refuse. (let's say for arguments sake they moved Q to Boston for Bradley Jr., Moncada, Devers and Benintendi or Swihart) I think I could live with that deal. Gets a young proven all star OF, plus a 2B who is on a fast track to stardom in Moncada, then ya get two more top young prospect hitters. The Sale trade would be the one you take an off-season to work on. That one you HAVE to nail. Then you could turn around and unload the others (Frazier, Melky, etc.) I would keep Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer and Eaton as my new core. Those teams are not going to give up those major league players during the season if at all.

It is easy to say sell, but once you do sell, unless you are Caulfield, you can't take it back. Some prospects are nice, but who do the Sox trade that brings back top prospects who,actually are any good? There were several people excited about Avi Garcia back in the day. How does acquiring players like that enhance the future? No,way would I trade Sale or Q and not get at least so,etching major league back. Trade Robertson and you will spend the next few years looking for a reliever. It isn't like they are going to be able to make much of a splash in the free agent market. If I were Hahn, I would be looking for offensive upgrades from teams that want financial relief.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Anderson is horrible right now. It is common for rookies.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) Hawk's ego was involved with the Dombrowski firing. Not sure who called for LaRussa's. I thought it was the owner's call. It actually all worked out for the best. Fans hated LaRussa. If Domnpnrowski was still around and got Hawks job would he have drafted McDowell, Thomas, Ventura, Fernandez? Doubtful. Hawk also brought in Calderon who became Raines, and claimed Bonilla as a rule 5. He did trade him back to Pittsburgh, which probably was a mistake, but it did bring back DeLeon, who became the One Dog, and Bonilla may have hurt draft position. He certainly wasn't going to lead that team to the playoffs, but the Hawk haters will never look at it objectively.

With his hat and glasses, he kind of looks like Bono.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Head scratching move to bring up Turner to start today when we have Fulmer here already The Sox have 1 run. Might as well hang the L on Turner than waste a good start by someone els.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:47 PM) You can trade Robertson and still compete in the next few years. They wasted a first round pick on a closer, might as well groom him for that Not a waste if he is good. It could have been Courtney Hawkins.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) Why? Gets it up to 97. Will only have to worry about 2 pitches.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) Based on what? The idealized version or reality-based one? You were about to call him the executive of the year when he acquired Avi

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) With some good hitting teams coming up, it really does seem like the decision to sell for Hahn at the deadline will be easy. Who is he going to sell?

Turn Turner into a reliever. I think he could be good there.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) Sure I can do other things at home instead of watching this garbage team But you aren't. I bet if someone offered you money to attend this game you would delay your household chores.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) Cause those two things are definitely, totally the same. Getting paid to watch a game would be kind of nice, especially if I was going to watch it anyway.

Pujols looks a little chunky

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Couldn't pay me to watch this particular game live They couldn't pay you to go to the game but you will watch it for free?

It amaEs me how many just horrible pitches Sox hitters have swung at.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) I really don't follow the reasoning of management not having Fulmer to start. You need a starter to fill in for Rodon and Fulmer has been starting. Put him the bullpen when Rodon is back. Bringing up Turner just doesn't make sense to me, but hopefully he does us proud It would be his major league debut. Could start walking the world and then your bullpen is hurting. For one game this makes some sense. Hopefully Turner has something, but chances are the Sox are going to need at least 6 to win today.