Dick Allen

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) Puig's under team control until 2020, so he'd be more than a one-year rental. I'd rather have him than Shields, but I could easily see a scenario where Puig morphs into Avi with a stronger arm. He does have a stronger arm than Avi. In fact, he probably has a stronger arm than anyone. But he looks like he's turned into Avi at the plate. As much as Avi sucked, it was interesting to find out he had 17 OF assists last year, and tied MVP Josh Donaldson for the league lead in walk off hits.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) Red Sox and White Sox still talking Sale per MLBN. I really don't understand this. If I was the White Sox GM, I would tell them, this is what I want. Unless you are willing to agree to that price, don't call me anymore. I am not haggling Chris Sale.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) The tweet went viral and now he's backing out Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 1m1 minute ago Chris Cotillo Retweeted Jared Carrabis Just industry rumblings, I've heard nothing concrete. Just interesting in response to Olney saying CWS wants Puig. Oh my. Caulfield might actually become a White Sox fan.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) It isn't though -- the "value" assigned to Moncada today doesn't have anything to do with the cost of acquiring him in the past. The Red Sox either made a good buy or a bad buy, but regardless, what they have TODAY is today's version of Moncada. It's a common stock market fallacy to think like you're suggesting. If you bought $1,000 of stock yesterday, it diminished to $500 in value today, you shouldn't balk at a chance to sell it for $600 simply because you had $1000 into it. I'm pretty sure they and the rest of baseball don't see his stock as dropping. The big payoff is going to be his pre-arb years, paying him nothing to hopefully put up huge WARs. If he's as good as advertised, there probably is as much value in him as there is in Sale. It's possible maybe they would do a straight up swap, but adding another top 10 guy plus others really would be a huge pill for Boston to swallow.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) I can't stress enough how little sense the Moncada "money we have invested in him" thing makes. I highly doubt that's a real holdup, because DD is smarter than that. I think it makes total sense. It's $63 million added to the cost of acquiring Chris Sale.

Are these Boston or White Sox leaks that Stark has? It seems pretty silly Boston would be trying to lower the price by leaking there is less than a 5% chance. Give us Chris Sale for what we want to give you, or we won't make a deal. I don't think that moves the needle at 35th and Shields.

I do agree with Our Chuck. Just wait it out. No need to blink. This is a guy that can get you a WS this year and you still have him with about $50-$60 million discount the next 3 seasons. If they don't want to blink and don't win the WS, they have to live with it. It still would be an unprecedented trade if done after this season. Open it up to a few teams. With his contract, non contenders should be making offers for him now.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Yeah, again, I get it. And again, if you are going to dock me for that $63 million, it takes his value way the hell down...meaning, if you are going to include it in the equation for receiving Sale back, it's not like I am getting a prospect, it's like I am getting a $63 million guy that has never played. And it's why Boston isn't going to move him along.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) Yeah, I follow you...but that isn't how negotiations work...we look at the market value of an asset, not the investment one counterparty may have made in that asset already. If you are going to dock me that $63 million for Moncada, that decreases his value to me incredibly...because you're essentially paying a prospect $63 million. The entire point of trading Chris is to acquire prospects who make extremely little for the first 6 years of service time. This guy essentially is making $10.5 million for the first 6 years of his service time. Maybe we can just trade them straight-up for Abreu? Moncada is already paid, as is the league. So you get what cost $63 million for minimum, plus his first few years making nothing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:19 AM) The penalty is their own fault...I can understand the $31.5 million being part of the equation...the $63 million...not my problem. It's not your problem. It still is a reason Boston isn't going to trade him unless maybe you gave the Sale and Q. If you add the $63 million to the cost of the deal, it makes Sale not a bargain, but a properly paid $30 million a year guy. If his contract was $30 million a year, the package isn't as good as it is when he's a $15 million a year guy.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Just taking a break from work to check on this. Man it would suck to not get Moncada for Sale. I'm not sure I make that deal. Maybe the sox don't like the contract of Moncada. Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Rodriguez isn't enough I feel like. The Red Sox paid Moncada a $31.5 million bonus, and paid the league a $31.5 million penalty. They are invested $63 million. The Sox would pay him minimal amounts. It's Boston that doesn't want that $63 million investment to go away.

I actually like Phil Rogers more than most, but what he's tweeting out isn't any kind of insider stuff. Phil everyone knows Q or Sale would require a few top prospects.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760129399568101376 You should have listened to me last week. I stated the very same thing.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) The Front Office Defending Crew likes to take various opinions from different people and then claim they have discovered inconsistencies. There are no inconsistencies? LMAO. What are the offers for Sale? Oh you don't know, but whatever they are or aren't, whatever the Sox do or don't do, they will blow it. If Sale or Quintana don't get traded today, what the true offers were for them will be irrelevant to many who will criticize them not being dealt. They will assume their unrealistic proposals were turned down.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:20 AM) Again, there are no indications that we have gotten that offer. In fact, the indiciations are that we are getting a package of middle of the road prospects, and not top ones. It would be pretty much an unprecedented trade. Teams trade their ace once in a while. But none that are pitching on a team friendly contract that has 3 more seasons to go. I really wonder if anyone knows how to price it, and the problem is he is still one guy who plays once every 5 days. Do you decimate your system on one guy who still can get hurt etc. or do you move on to a lesser guy with a far lower price tag? I think it's a really complicated thing. For the White Sox, it has to be a no brainer. For the other team, who all would love to have him, can they really justify the cost?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) They would likely. But I just don't see a team claiming him for the full amount. I think it's more likely he'd clear waivers and then a team would try to make a deal even though teams also have that option today still. Right. That's why it isn't a big deal if he isn't traded today. He's an easy waiver clear.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) I don't think sox would just let him go for nothing. I guess there is a chance they could just to receive money from SD. I think a team would consider that though before placing a claim so it's probably a moot point to even talk about. If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields.

People were saying the same things about Baez last year they are saying about Gallo now. Gallo may never hit .250, but he is going to be a 40 homer guy. If the Sox got 4 or 5 prospects, he being one wouldn't be too shabby.

I don't think people should get their panties in a bunch if guys like Shields and Melky aren't moved today. These are guys, who could be moved next month. Shields would clearly clear waivers as any team that claims him would be on the hook for his entire contract, not just the White Sox portion, and the White Sox would still get paid by SD. Melky is owed a decent sum next season, and it is doubtful a non contending team would claim him. For today, Sale, Q, and Robertson are the guys who if not moved today, aren't going to be moved this season.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:32 AM) . It's hard for me to believe that there was much of a market for Shields, an aging pitcher who was getting tatooed. But let's assume there was. Shouldn't Hahn be able to move him now, now that he is pitching much better and the market is tight? And if Hahn did strike a good deal the first time, now that he's pitching well, not only should he move him, but for more than he paid. He wasn't getting tattooed. His ERA was barely over 3.00 before his final outing in SD.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) Like living in Milwaukee is so much better lol Most of the time, these guys with the limited no trade clauses have them in there for financial reasons. They normally have all the big market contenders on their so if they do get traded there they have some leverage in squeezing out more money. This didn't seem the case here. He must really not want any part of Cleveland. I am sure the Tribe could offer him an extension that would make him think summers in Cleveland are the nicest summers .

It doesn't look like they liked him as much as Keenyn Walker. Maybe a decent 4th OF is a real nice return for Duke. But as I posted before and has been posted a couple times since, there really is no reason to make this trade right now unless something big is going to happen. LH relief is needed. Relief is needed. He doesn't make a ton of money, and the prospect coming back isn't overwhelming. Some dominoes are going to fall.

Meh. No power on a team that needs power in the park in which they play. If it is even possible, the Sox bullpen gets worse. But obviously not a huge loss. I would imagine they wouldn't make this trade unless there is more coming.

Flu like symptoms. No hugs.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) Quintana vs Nolasco Sox https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/759132646941130752 Twins https://twitter.com/Twins/status/759123949057826816 Q's last start? Morneau's return to Target Field. I am pretty sure Q will make at least a few more starts.