Dick Allen

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:10 AM) So what happens if they do a full rebuild? Does it matter if they go from 5th worst in attendance to dead last? 2012 - 24th 2013 - 24th 2014 - 28th 2015 - 26th 2016 - 26th The Royals who have less resources than what the Sox have, had sucked balls for a long time, in 2010 they traded their young Cy Young winner in Zach Greinke who was under team control for 2 more seasons. That didn't sit well with their fans. They netted Cain and Escobar, and used Odorizzi as part of a package to get them Shields and Wade Davis. Couple that with their drafting of Hosmer, Moustakas, and Gordon and bam they had a team that went from awful to losing a WS and then winning one. In small market KC. KC also had some big misses on high draft choices as well during that span. Top 5 picks of Cristian Colon, Bubba Starling, and Kyle Zimmer have not done much if anything. If they had hit on their top picks in the 2010-12 drafts they would be in the playoffs again this year, even with all of their injuries. KC's attendance went like this: 2009 - 26th 2010 - 25th (Greinke traded in offseason) 2011 - 27th 2012 - 25th 2013 - 26th 2014 - 25th 2015 - 10th 2016 - 11th Their attendance stayed virtually the same, until all that young talent came through for them. Now they have 30K at every game for a .500 team. The White Sox attendance will drop, as will their revenue and people will be wondering why they aren't breaking the bank giving teenagers millions. KC's rebuild took about 20 years. It doesn't just snap back unless a WS or 2 become involved.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) People who speak of our core and how close we are to competing... sure, our core is great. But you need a supporting cast to win. Our regime has proven time and time again that they are incapable of gathering an adequate supporting cast to complement our core. So you want these people to trade their established players for people they think will be good one day?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Then we can always head to the FA market or the trade market to find our ace, if we do get to this "worst case scenario" point And trade the prospects you got for Sale for an ace that makes double his salary? Prospects bust. You can't give all your talent away or you wind up really sorry.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) The complaints about Turner starting tonight were before Hahn said they're open for business. Doesn't matter. If they aren't going to win what difference does it make? Why do you harp on JB Shuck if you are all for losing and a rebuild? Why did you complain about Konerko in 2014? If the Sox went into full rebuild mode and had castoffs and just about every position, there would be plenty of complaining. Even from you.

People aren't going to be able to deal with a full rebuild. Just look at the facts. 2014 was a rebuilding season, how many people complained about Konerko taking the 25th spot and ruining "roster construction"? They weren't going to win, I thought people didn't care. And many who have said this season is over are complaining Jacob Turner is starting tonight. That's what you get in a rebuild. Guys like Jacob Turner starting, for years.

I bet he has cramps or something heat related.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:20 PM) So who is giving the Sox this haul everyone believes is coming for Sale and Quintana? Are the Dodgers giving up Seager? BoSox giving up Bogarts? Cubs giving up Schwarber? I'm sick of being stuck in the middle, but there is a right way to sell and a wrong way to sell. I don't trust this front office to know the difference Wasn't Seager available when they drafted Hawkins? Oops.

The problem is if all these guys suck and are going to be free agents fairly soon, who would give up anything of value to get them?

Does anyone have any idea how much cash teams get for a player of Carroll's ilk?

We are back to whoever the Sox bring in, the other team scores. The only question is how many?

I didn't think there was a chance they would reverse it but The runner always knows and Seager didn't upset so he must have been out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) Not at age 23. You didn't like the previous comparison? Carlos Rodon is 23. 23 year olds struggle sometimes. Why didn't they get an expensive veteran SS? Russell is younger than Baez.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) I don't know what you are referring to Just joking as you changed your mind.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Give me Jones, Fulmer, or Jennings then If there were 2 out maybe Jomes but he wasn't ready. When the Sox used Rodon in a tough spot when he was just staring out, Robin got ripped. Jennings maybe but then they are out of lefties and he can get wild as well. I wish the Sox had more strike throwers.

You win some, you lose some.still in the black.

QUOTE (nathanbusch @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) The fact that Duke is still pitching reinforces the fact that Ventura is a complete bottom of the barrel manager Albers with the bases loaded vs. Cano isn't exactly a compelling match up from a White Sox point of view.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) Exactly what I said Caulfield Jr,

I didn't see that coming.

How is a veteran be so far off?

If Cooper was the magician he is advertised as being, you would think strikes would be part of the gameplan.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) Bring in Fulmer. He is the only pitcher I trust in the pen! According to many on Soxtalk, you can't bring in pitchers with runners on base. Too much pressure.

Miguel doesn't have good stuff yet.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) If Shields can string together another 2 good starts I think there's a real possibility we could flip him for more than we gave up. Am I the only that would gauge interest on Nate Jones too? I know he's young and controlled, but I can't be the only 1 that sees his elbow going again before too long. I wouldn't just trade him for the sake of getting rid of him, but with the # of contenders looking for backend bullpen help he might be able to net us a pretty good prospect. They covered themselves with an elbow injury. He plays a season for the minimum.

Maybe I am just used to White Sox hitters swinging at so many pitches, but it seems to me White Sox pitchers throw a lot more balls than most pitching staffs.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Super spot on post. No debating any of that really. And like you said, there's a very very very likely chance he would get exposed if he played every day. Methinks they have been protecting him from good RHP exposure to flip him at the deadline. The other thing is he makes my point for me even though he is trying to argue. If they thought Baez was a top 10 can't miss prospect, isn't that the type of player that helps you make the playoffs? I agree. They are trying to make people think he is close to untouchable, but there actions speak louder than words, and the longer they hang on to him, and don't play him every day, the lower his trade value goes. I think he is their main chip at the deadline as well.