Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 06:50 PM) 1) Was Dayton Moore expected to have a "playoff" window within five years of taking over the team? 2) Had the White Sox been twenty years removed from the sniffing the playoffs? 3) Did the White Sox have a MUCH bigger operational budget to work with and many built-in advantages? If you guaranteed every Sox fan a ten team games over .500 in Year 7-8, two World Series appearances, one title and one near miss and a two year window remaining after that, you wouldn't find many fans who wouldn't take that...even if it meant waiting until 2024. Why was Dayton Moore not expected to win in 5 years but Rick Han was? KW dumped it on Hahn when the window was closed. 2013 the talent was old, and done. Not much he could do. Of course you have to figure he wasn't totally innocent since he was part of the decision making process for many years, but it isn' like this is a 100 loss team. They are still right around .500 with a month they haven't had in years. The one thing I am very concerned about is they seem to have lost their mojo when it comes to identifying offense. They always had a good offense until about 2007. Seemed to bounce back in 2008, but back to crap until 2012 when they had 5 guys crank at least 25 homers. Since then, horrible. They need some home run hitters, since they moved into this park, they have had one team that was good that wasn't a home run hitting team. Their reclamation projects hitting and pitching mostly always seemed to work. Now it as if all of them if they don't get released, would be by successful teams. Hahn, whether he cans Robin or not, needs to get a middle of the line up hitter pronto. Maybe with Morneau available in a month it lessens the need it be left handed, but if the White Sox are truly committed to winning this year they have to make this happen quickly. At best, the offense as currently constructed is going to be massively inconsistent,

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) Why would anyone in their right mind trust KW or Hahn to "rebuild" this roster? What has Hahn done to earn that trust? Stayed a "loyal soldier" for a decade? Bringing up Anderson before he was 100% ready should be the last straw if you're JR...along with overpaying for James Shields. Dayton Morre took over KC in 2006. They sucked and sucked and sucked, then in 2014 they were good, and you acted like he invented baseball . So Hahn has several more years until he proves worthless.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 05:52 PM) At this point, a target should be placed on Hahn & KW's backs. It's bulls*** they continue to blame the players when they are the ones who put the team together. If the players are once again underperforming (their opinion), then they should want to fire Robin and see if another manager can get them to play up to their potential. Right now, it feels like they're keeping Robin around to avoid the heat being brought onto them and ensuring themselves another year by canning him in the offseason. This doesn't match up with your must fire Robin post, saying that should do some good is saying the team is good enough to win. They just need a better manager. Football, basketball, hockey, you change the coach, you change a lot more than what you change when you fir a manager in baseball. But they are running out of things to do. To me, Anderson was total desperation. I think he is eventually going to be a really fun player. But at this point, unless Rollins was a clubhouse problem, and all indications are the opposite, I really don't think he gives you a better chance at winning that what was here before. At some point, I think he will, but not now. It shows they are running out of ideas. I would think Robin is close to being gone. They probably give him this series, but if they don't win at least 2, I think most fans will get their wish. And if that doesn't work, I think a fire sale and a semi rebuild occurs which more than likely buys KW and RH more employment.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 05:39 PM) Do people seriously want to trade MORE young players to add veterans to this team? Especially with Hahn doing the trading and evaluating? Good lord. If Hahn is so bad at evaluating, why would his prospects be any good?

QUOTE (thigpen89 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 05:30 PM) Firing Ventura now would be pointless. This team is just not a contender no matter how many moves are made. Ventura's salary still needs to be paid, and how often does a mid season managerial change ever result in the playoffs? It doesn't, but people will point out Trader Jack and the Marlins after they fired Torborg. They forget Willis and Cabrera came with him. The Indians once started hitting after Eddie Murray was fired as their hitting coach. Supposedly they all hated him, and his removal made for a better atmosphere. I don't think that is the case with Robin. Unless they give the new guy another hitter or 2, if he managed today's game or yesterday's game, I don't think they would have scored more than 1 in either of them. But it will placate the fan base, and if they don't contend this season, they aren't bringing him back anyway, but it will, as Gar Forman found out, put the target on KW and RH if the team doesn't drastically improve with the same players.

Rodman got suspended 11 games for kicking a cameraman in the nuts.

if you really cling to the extremely silly notion that the Sox are on their way out of town, what motivation would they have of being a good team? It would be all about the bottom line. They would be running their team like the Marlins, and having a fire sale.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 04:42 PM) Listening to Buster Olney's podcast last week, he said his sources haven't given him any sense Ventura is in danger. Take it for what it's worth. I am one of Robin's biggest backers, but I really think if he doesn't get launched before tomorrow's game, the Sox have to take 2 out of 3 for him to make the road trip, I don't think he is the reason they scored 1 run yesterday and 1 run today. I don't think he is the reason they are struggling, but RH and KW are selling this year as potentially special and they are running out of things to do. Acquiring some offense would work a lot better. I am not saying I would fire him because I wouldn't. But I think it is getting close in RH and KW offices.

Has Anderson had any balls hit to him?

It will be interesting to see how many guys they draft make the major leagues. Over the last 10 years they have had 3 or 4 drafts where they had 9 picks from a draft make it, pretty surprising, but most performed at about replacement level.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) He's had a whole 10 plate appearances and still gotten on 3 times. Funny, when Avila does that, he is washed up.

You are putting way to much into this. We see it all the time, we criticize if guys faile, but when there is a runner at second and nobody out, the hitter "has a job to do". That doesn't change with a runner at first. Melky is going to be expected to hit the ball the other way to, at the very least, advance the runners. He thought a bunt would advance the runners and give him a pretty good shot at a hit. It is pretty simple, the runners advanced, Frazier failed. Lawrie hit a rocket but it was caught. It wasn't so stupid. He wasn't giving himself up anymore than a guy making sure he is going to the right side would anyway, which is considered good baseball, and if there is a runner on second and he hits a ground ball to 3rd, unless he has a couple of strikes in him, he is rightfully going to get ripped.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 06:26 PM) If Melky was bunting for a hit, Robin apparently thought differently: "He decided to do that on his own," White Sox manager Robin Ventura said. "He's up there sensing the situation, and I think he thought we could get on the board early by getting them over. It's something that you look at either way. But he decided to do on his own." His choice of words makes it sound like to me that he was sacrificing. And no I don't think you're a bad guy, don't even know you, and for that matter you don't know me. Maybe we're both just "meathead" fans? Mark Right getting them over, a baseball play. It doesn't mean he was sacrificing. He was trying to get a hit. Like when there is a guy on second and nobody out, and hitters try to hit it to the right side. They want to make sure at the very least the runner gets to 3rd. They aren't sacrificing. Melky was trying to bunt for a hit, and at the very least advance the runners.who knows if it cost the team runs, but it did have the same effect as if he had hit a ball caught at the wall and the runners advanced.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) Cause I'm a fan. Cause Royals fans here mock me because I root for such a pathetic baseball team owned by the KC team. Please Ventura, tell your team: NO MORE BUNTING EVER. They cannot bunt. Even though we rarely score no matter what we do at the plate, at least eliminate bunting. Guys cannot do it so tell them NEVER do it. It actually was a real good bunt, Duffy made a nice play and barely got him, and somehow the Sox can win the series tomorrow. What I do find funny is the 100% chance Melky would have driven in a run there if he didn't bunt. Anyome catch his other ABs vs. Duffy?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) My only comment is this. Regarding the bunt in the first inning. It doesn't matter if Melky did it on his own or Robin called it. Doesn't matter if he was bunting for a hit or to sacrifice. You have a clean up hitter hitting .215!!!! Who strikes out a lot coming up to bat next. This isn't Frank Thomas and his .300 average with a great knowledge of the strike zone is it? Or a Magglio or Carlos Lee...guys who were hitting .280, .290 or over .300 Melky or Robin or whomever should know the clean up hitters capabilities. That's not smart baseball in my opinion. Mark Maybe maybe not. He was trying for a hit which would have loaded the bases with no outs. Ducks on the pond and one out and your 4 and 5 guy up, you should get runs. It seems the one person who doesn't know the clean up hitter's capabilities is you. If he was sacrificing, he would have shown it to make sure he would have bunted to the 3rd base side. You always want the 3rd baseman fielding a bunt with a runner advancing to 3rd. If he only got it slightly harder, he would have beaten it out, but bunting to first in a sacrifice situation with a gold glove left handed first baseman wouldn't make much sense .

Amderson's swing kind of reminds me Alfonso Soriano, although I think Soriano was closed.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) Serious question. After watching the game do you honestly think they care about winning series? These guys show up to get a paycheck. They have every reason to want to kick KC's ass and they look like the deadest team in America. If you don't think they care, why should you?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) Highlight reel worthy. So brilliant to take the bat out of your three hitters hand in the first inning. You do know that wasn't called from the bench don't you? He was bunting for a hit.

Does KC hit the ball to the SS

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) When I wear the autographed Snopek jersey people ask me why I signed my own jersey. The one people love is the signed Warren Newsome jersey. Anything Deacon related is a good thing.

According to Lue, Lebron never gets calls. Now that is funny.

I have a game worn Paulino I bought for $20. It is pretty large, but I had to get it since I was one of his biggest detractors. I wore it a couple of weeks ago, and a guy in a Dunn jersey told me he loved it. Everyone has replicas of the big names. I pay a fraction for an authentic and am the only guy in the park with a Paulino on.

1st homer Sale allowed to a lefty since 2012

Royals have scored 4 runs their last 6 games

Danny Mac needs to ride into the sunset. After he was suspended he was relegated to reading a 3 minute sports segment once an hour. What is the show on 4 hours? So 12 minutes of work a day for $250k a year, and he wants to go Muskie fishing.