Dick Allen

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Thanks for finding. So 6th a little above career and 7th well below Also has trouble in the first, and the 8th.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) Is that this season or career Career

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) 6th inning has always been a issue with Q Actually it is the 5th. But he has company. The hardest part of the game for Mickey Mantle was the bottom of the fifth.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Seems he struggles so much in the 6-7 innings during his career. Great pitcher but definitely lacks a killer instinct 3.72 ERA in the 6th. 2.79 in the 7th.

What is with this display by Hanley?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:02 PM) 21 Jump Street. That is the most homers ever for a Sox player before the ASG. 3rd baseman. Big Hurt was hitting .383 with 32 homers at the ASB in 1994. He was insane.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) It's the lull before the storm. Yep the pitchforks will be out in full force tomorrow with Shields on the mound.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) LMAO just so we are clear...you arent a fan of this trade, right bmags? He does have a point. None of the players the Bulls received make you want to watch a game.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) I would rather watch Khalid El Amin in the back court than watch either Lopez brother play basketball. It's like convincing me Joe Johnson isn't that bad. He is certainly tall and can rebound, but they make me hate the sport of basketball. No. I had season tickets then. No, you don't want that.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) Clearly Butler didn't put them int he top third or else they would have been in the top third last year. I don't understand the "they would have spent it on worse" Don't worry about them taking on long term crap contract for a short term crap contract, they are so inept they'd spend it even worse next year! No reason to complain. This is the Bulls. Unless they get rid of Gar/Pax, if it is truly contending for titles that matters, it doesn't matter if they trade Jimmy Butler for 4 second round picks. It isn't happening. The one positive is they actually traded Rose. It might not be a good trade, but they did make a big trade. They wouldn't even trade Pau at the deadline last year even though he served no purpose at that point. So progress. It's probably a bad trade. And it probably will give them less money to work with next offseason. But players have to take it, and that doesn't happen with the Bulls.

Hopefully this won't make Jimmy a bigger diva.

In the end it probably doesn't matter. Lopez is in for Noah or Pau or both, so while they did take on a little salary, they will have more cap space, but it isn't like they are going to sign Durant. They usually come in 2nd or 3rd for anyone you need big cap space to acquire. If it blows up, maybe it's another nail in the Gar/Pax coffin but I am sure the subtraction of Reggie Rose from all Bulls related things is going to score GarPax bonus points.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) Here you guys go, here's the great trade that had to be done. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jd95om7 Check out that sweet money transfer. The Bulls picked up 2 wins. That's a first round knockout in the playoffs and JR will be happy with a couple more full houses.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) If Robin Lopez is the 2nd best player on your roster, you are the New York Knicks guys. We did it! The more I examined it, the more I agree with you. This guy is signed for a long time and he's a journeyman at best.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) What else are you getting for Rose though? If anything you're being nice by giving the guy a fresh start, in a big market, with a year left to get his next big contract. I wonder if they see Grant as someone that can develop? Did anyone see him play last year? Horace is happy. He wanted the Buws to draft him last year.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Yup. I can't blame the Bulls for doing it, but to see a Chicago guy like Derrick moved because he's fallen so hard due to injuries is pretty damn sad. It isn't just injuries. It's the entire package. But while it's best for the Bulls, it is kind of sad how it all went down. It was shaping up to be spectacular.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) Derrick Rose has been traded by the Chicago Bulls. This was the right move, but boy does it sting. I can honestly say that I have never loved a sports athlete more than I did Derrick Rose. The cruelty of injury followed by some less-than-stellar reports of his off the court life sure soured his career, but man, this KID COULD GO UP STAIRS and I'll forever remember the excitement of his MVP season (youngest in the history of the NBA). The Bulls came 3 wins from the NBA Finals that year. Good luck in New York, Derrick, and good riddance. Such a sad outcome to what at one point seemed like a storybook career ready to take off. Look up DRose in his Simeon days on youtube at the United Center. The guy could dust off a net with the best of him. It was time.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Yes, but that assumes a successful bunt. Factor in the probability of the bunt failing to get down, and it's less, unless you have a hitter at the plate that can get the bunt down at a 90% success rate. Melky is a pretty good bunter. I believe he has close to 50 sacs in his career, even the year he was roided up hitting .340 he sacd a couple of times. He tends to go rogue and do it on his own, but the one in NY was called from the bench. The second time Melky bunted it was on his own.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) The vast majority of the time you play for one run, you score one run. With such a s***ty offense giving away outs is pouring gasoline on a tire fire. Because this offense has shown it is more than capable of huge innings all of the time. When the bunts have been called from the bench, they have been called at times where scoring a run could win the game. The only questionable one was when Melky bunted in NY. But second and third one out scores 1 run more often than first and second and no out. It scores more than 1 slightly less. But 1 would have been big there. All Frazier had to do was put the ball in play and not pop it up. The others people complain about were hitters doing it on their own.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Is it worth noting again that the White Sox are only right now successful on 64% of their bunt attempts (which is right at the league average)? 1/3 of the times guys try to bunt, they fail to successfully sacrifice before there are 2 strikes on the batter, on average. Some guys are better than that, but some guys are also much worse. So about 1/3 of the time the bunt is called for, the out is given away without accomplishing anything. For comparison, in the runner on first, 1 out or less case, the White Sox hit into a DP 11% of the time. What is the percentage of advancing runners when not bunting? I'm guessing nowhere near 64%. In a tight game, depending on the hitter, there is no reason to moan about a bunt.

Most of the bunts, Melky, Eaton, those are done on their own. Coats was for sure called for and made sense. He had no hits. Guys go up knowing they have a job to do. They know at the very least they have to advance the runner, so for many, it cuts out half the field. They are more confident a bunt will advance the runners vs. swinging away. Since they are the ones hitting, they are probably correct. That said, I am not a big bunt guy, and Robin through the years hasn't bunted that much. On the flipside, I don't think anyone has been too impressed with the White Sox making productive outs or stringing hits together the past few seasons.

Maybe Shields will mess with everybody and pitch a gem on Thursday.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) 15 years ago, more than half of the White Sox wanted him to be the White Sox GM. Probably 2/3rd's. Here we are today, 18 months ago, he was trying to keep the Northern League (independent/non-affiliated) baseball league afloat. Suffice it to say, he didn't become a HoF GM/Executive. When I wrote the "myth," I meant it only in the sense that he was clearly among the best negotiators in baseball, and that somehow that was the most important skill to have in the "tool box" of an MLB GM. Clearly, there are other GM's that are equally adept or can allocate financial resources just as, if not more, efficiently. So, once again, what ELSE IS HE GOOD AT? That's what I really wanted to get at...that even if he's among the Top 5-10 or whatever negotiators in MLB, can we list one category that's related to being a GM that he would be considered in the Top 10-15 (upper half) even of major league GM's? There are no "official" categories, obviously, or OPS/WAR/Pythagorean numbers for GM'ing. "Chris was always the great negotiator," said Marc, a bariatric surgeon in South Carolina who served as an Air Force surgeon in Iraq. "He could talk his way in or out of anything since he was 6 years old." It's a skill that served him well at the University of Massachusetts, where Antonetti piggybacked a business degree from Georgetown with a master's in sports management. UMass law professor Glenn Wong was still handling salary arbitration cases for the Boston Red Sox at the time. He would hire his top two or three students to help research and prepare cases. Antonetti wasn't one of them. So he paid Wong a visit, offering to do the work for free. "It's not too often that kids come in and argue their case," said Wong, who relented. Salary arbitration cases, heard to decide disputes over the fair value of a player still under contract, are based on statistical comparisons. Antonetti would offer suggestions on which data to use and how to use it, and in a manner that didn't offend his colleagues. "As soon as I took him on," Wong said, "I saw immediately how good he was and how interested he was in that work." http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2...10/post_74.html They averaged 89 wins a season during his tenure and he drafted players. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/20...retrospect.html I Have a friend who is one of his best friends and I met him a couple times many years ago. He is a good guy, someone who has no clue as to his work or character shouldn't be taking potshots. You really are being totally classless. And as to Hahn you already posted in this thread every GM in baseball could have negotiated the contracts he secured. So no need to slam on the brakes and say that isn't what you meant.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:16 AM) Yes, you're right. It was a red herring meant to provoke a conversation away from Ventura. We all know that he's good at negotiating. That's not the point. It's what is he good at besides that? Not one single person has answered that question, or even attempted to. Why can't we beat even one of our four fellow AL Central team in terms of delivering ROI on the amount of money we invest in the franchise? At best, you can argue we probably spend money more effectively than the Tigers, but they had four division championships in a row, and a World Series appearance in 2006. I don't think that's going to cause the Tigers' organization to lose any sleep, or their fans to get too bent out of shape. And what was Rick Hahn doing from October, 2008 through the end of the 2012 season? He was helping the team win/rebuild how? (This is where you write that he was one of the most sought after GM candidates in the game at that time, and turned down interviews with Teams X/Y/Z....well, you could have said the same thing about Dan Evans fifteen years ago. What has he been doing recently? ANS: Trying to run an independent league and prevent it from falling into bankruptcy.) So we all know he is good at negotiating. And if it is not the point, look at your first post. What was the point?Seems like it would be silly then to create a thread implying the opposite. And your Dan Evans info is off. He is a scout with the Blue Jays, and does some stuff with BP. He was one of the first to use saber metrics. Surprised you are taking a shot at him for some reason in the Rick Hahnisn't a good negotiator even though we know he is a good negotiator thread.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:01 AM) Has he been right at least 60% of the time? That's the generally-accepted view around baseball of what an above-average or really good GM is capable of. Statistically, you should be right 50% of the time, by sheer force of luck or chance. Be right 40% of the time, whether you're a GM or a mutual fund manager, no matter how sound your logic, you'll be out of a job eventually. The fact that we're going on 8 seasons without a playoff appearance, and Hahn's been an integral part of operations for that whole entire time...one that is only ahead of Seattle (Jack Z. fired), SD (Hoyer gone, his replacement fired and Preller installed) and the Marlins (too long a story to tell here) is all you really need to know. Hahn wasn't the GM then and all of this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread you created. There already was a Rick Hahn thread this rubbish could have been posted. What do your posts have to do with your determination that is is a myth Hahn is a good negotiator?