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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 06:03 PM) All sorts of rumors that Harrison Barnes was in Chicago today. Could be anything though. He was HS teammates with Doug McDermott He was house hunting on the North Shore. Had the same real estate agent LeBron used.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 05:55 PM) Not really. It was get them Top 100 prospect Frankie Montas, who got them Frazier (who has the same line statistically as Marcus Semien, roughly). Avi has actually gotten in the way of this team moving forward, in the same way Beckham, Viciedo, Gillaspie, DeAza, Ramirez and Flowers did. The most dangerous word for fans is "potential," because it has never-ending shelf life for GM's to sell it. Little Miggy. 30/30 potential. Incredible athlete. Has the tools to play CF. Elite throwing arm. Brian Anderson is the next Torii Hunter if he could just hit 20 homers, etc. Chris Marquez, Nestor Molina, Zach Stewart and Matt Davidson will lead the Sox to the World Series. Of course, "proven veteran performer" hasn't been comforting, either. How long did the Royals wait on Gordon?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) I feel like we've been "waiting for Avi" as long as we've been trying to convince ourselves we were still right in the middle of the race last year. Best thing Jake Peavy ever did for the White Sox is get them Avi Garcia.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) Preller made his name with the Rangers in Latin America. No guarantees that Tatis Jr. will actually make it, but that's one area he excels in (as opposed to wholesale rebuilding on the fly ala Hahn). He also has made quite the impression in SD And if Hahn is an idiot for paying Shields &27 million, what is Preller? http://grantland.com/features/aj-preller-m...al-league-west/

They are celebrating 1985 today because Buddy Ryan died. If they had won 5 Super Bowls since, they would be all 1985 today.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Thinking Hub Arkush cries every time he says something positive about the Bears is fanboyism. Agreeing with radio hosts that the 85 Bears are old news and the excessive celebration of that team is a product of a terrible organization is just common sense. Dan Bernstein isn't particularly intelligent, but he's on the money on this. So in other words, you haven't paid any attention to Hub and his Bears comments since they sacked him on the radio.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Fanboyism at its finest. You don't have to like Hub, but he's very intelligent when it comes to the NFL. It's too bad, by the way, that Chicago has milked the crap out of the 1985 Bears for 30 years, because it's such a sad day for the Bears organization, but the general feeling about the 85 Bears stories is exhaustion. It's all been so overdone now. And it's still embarrassing the Bears have to celebrate a Super Bowl from three decades ago. Hub also said the Seahawks were not a good football team the year they won the Super Bowl. In fact he said something like anyone who knows anything about football know Seattle isn't a good football team. Oops. I watch and listen to Hub. But it is true ever since the Bears sacked him from their radio team, he has rarely had anything nice to say about them. And more than a couple times it was sour grapes. When he spoke about the LBs it was kind of shocking.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) Even Rodman was seen on the down-swing of his career wasn't he? You have to draft your superstar(s) to win championships. Butler might take another leap, but I don't think he's the best player on a championship team and they're not acquiring Durant, Steph, etc...so hitting that ping pong ball luck is the only chance really and you're not doing that with a 6-8 seed round 1 sweep every year which is what fearless leader GarPax is shooting to build. Welcome to NBA purgatory Rodman was a trade. Will Perdue. Chris Collins would have a better chance landing 2 one and dones and competing for an NCAA title than Gar has of signing 2 max guys. Gar said today that the Bulls have won more games the last 10 years than ny other team. That would be fine if there was a finals Appearance or 2, but is kind of hollow with the post Jordan playoff record. And oh by the way, what Gar said isn't even true. The guy seems to have a tough time with the truth.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Ranaudo/Beck/Carroll. Not good. I'm kind of digging Beck in the bullpen. Also, don't look now, but Carson Fulmer is starting to figure things out.

Didn't Beckham come up in June the year after he was drafted? Wasn't there some posts on despite his early success he was rushed, and that hurt him? It's possible he comes up sometime next season, almost everything would have to go right, unless it's a September call up or something. It's more realistic 2018 or later.

How do teams score during interleague games? The changing leagues I don't think is as big as some want to make it. I'm sure there is a bit of adjustment, but it doesn't take 70 points off your batting average and cost you 30 doubles.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) So what you're saying is that you had no expectations in 2013 and 2015, and perhaps this year...so when, realistically, did you expect them to actually compete? We're moving the goalposts here to being "satisfied" with a .500ish finish when everyone said at the beginning of the year that such a mark would definitely get Ventura fired. Can we expect to compete for a wild card finally in 2017? Everything written here could have been cribbed from SoxTalk at this same exact time last year...or especially approaching the end of July, when the team went on a mini-run to hover around the .500 mark. And I'm not sure what signs we're seeing about the minor league system...we have one of the worst combined records for all our minor league affiliates in all of baseball. Now, that alone isn't indicative of a poor system, but it's just one of many signs. Sure, Collins/Burdi/Hansen are encouraging, or Curbelo...and maybe those first three guys can all contribute in 2017, but that's the same old problem the White Sox are always accused of...rushing prospects to fill holes on the major league roster. One paramount concern is that each year there's always one guy (last year, Montas) who really takes strides forward and make himself a legit candidate for inclusion in the Top 100 list. We don't have anyone approaching that right now. Maybe guys like Stephens or Engel or Danish are enough to snag Beltran or Bruce, guess we'll just have to wait and see. Bruce makes perfect sense because he would be under contract this year and next (club option), so they would have at least five legit core pieces (Eaton/Abreu/Frazier/Cabrera/Bruce + Anderson) going into a "make or break season." And, if they do have to finally retool or dismantle the 2016/17 teams/rosters, there's just ZERO reason that Hahn would be the best candidate to do so. If anyone knows goalpost moving, you are the one. If you want to judge your minor leagues on W-L records, you have a big problem. The object isn't to win games, it's to develop players. It's a much better system than when Hahn took over. In fact, you yourself Mr. Goalpost said the ONLY reason to pay attention to the White Sox anymore was Tim Anderson, and the 3 draft picks this year. You pointed out they would get rolled by Toronto, that Minnesota is playing better (they have won 6 of their last 16) and are out for revenge, so the Sox have no chance against them, and that then the trip to Houston where the Astros pretty much won't lose again will end the White Sox season. You are just wrong. Again. They are competing right now. In fact, before the season started you stated Detroit and KC were all in, the Sox were just eating at the kiddie table. They are right with them. Cleveland has busted out on a hot streak, but they, as unbelievable as this may seem, will go bad again.

Am I missing something here? Despite all of the moaning, the White Sox aren't on a pace to lose 140 games. They won 63 Hahn's first year, 73 his second, 76 his 3rd and are .500 right now despite an insanely bad stretch of baseball. The minor leaguers appear to be getting better. He's made some mistakes. All GMs made some mistakes. But they aren't dead this year. Finish up strong before the All Star break and anything can happen. Cleveland isn't going to win all the rest of their games. Houston isn't going to win all the rest of their games. They are on a roll right now, but baseball happens and they will go bad at some point. Even the almighty Cubs have won only 1 of their last 7.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) You can read the current Paul Sullivan article at the Chicago Tribune and write in a letter to the editor to defend his true "genuis" if you like. In some ways, they were fortunate to have acquired Jackson, because we never would have found out Eaton is one of the top 3 RFers in baseball without that move. I think most everyone has been shocked by how good his throwing arm plays from there, as compared to center. The fact of the matter he made a great trade and a tremendous extension when it came to Eaton.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) Yeah, Anderson still doesn't have a walk but has a pretty decent OPS considering all of it is coming from BA and XBH. Chris Devenski has a 2.26 ERA for the suddenly white-hot Astros, now pitching out of their pen. He would definitely be a help to the current Sox struggles in middle relief. Don Cooper also doesn't get much credit for Hector Santiago (ironically, gave up Semien's 14th homer today as I was writing), but he was one of his biggest advocates in the beginning, particularly about being a successful starter at the MLB level. But yeah, it has been a long time since the days of Reed/Santos/Nate Jones or even Marte/Thornton/Jenks. 2012 was the last season IMO that Cooper was a really good pitching coach (especially the pen that year), extracting the most from all of those rookie pitchers. Addison Reed, somewhat surprisingly after AZ, has become a mainstay and 8th inning set-up guy for the Mets. Hecor Santiago 5,27 ERA and loves to give up the long ball, not a good match with the White Sox. A genius Hahn trade.

Cubs are 4-6 their last 10 yet gained ground on STL and Pit.

His OBP isn't down that much. He will hit better.21 long balls is nice.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 26, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) I fear we start Sale, he pitches a couple innings, and then, boom, 2 hour rain delay. I was watching the news, it doesn't look like any prolonged storms, just pop up quick ones.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 26, 2016 -> 08:11 AM) First ever GameDay thread created! Let's win this boys. If they hit 7 homers today, I think they will win.

Hub Arkush who probably pukes anytime he gives the Bears a compliment, says they have gone from the worst inside LBs in the league to the best.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) I kind of think having Jeff Banister, Ian Desmond and Duensing would trump your Ubaldo Jimenez, Jennings, Gordon Beckham, future HoF Robin Ventura and John Danks. Actually the first poster to call for Ian Desmond was me. Look it up. You came in later and wanted the sox to sign him in June. He wouldn't have been available,

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2016 -> 05:04 PM) Nicely done, now you're on Cooper's side, lol. Fine, Jennings has been pretty good, but he still doesn't 100% have Ventura's trust in games when the Sox are leading or in the 7th/8th innings unless he's already had to use Duke and then game conditions force him to also use Jennings. And the splits don't dictate pitching Jennings as a loogy. I'm done picking on Ventura. There's no point. Joe McCarthy or Miller Huggins couldn't win the AL Central with this current roster. Dan Jennings, the guy you wanted replaced with Brian Duensing, has a 1.45 ERA his last 56 innings.

On the bright side Beck looked good. It is laughable some here are blaming Ventura. People were calling for Ynoa yesterday. He was the only reliever to allow runs today. Coop has done a hell of a job with his rotation.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) You're not going to be able to compete with a 5th starter with a 5.17 ERA, Shields as your 4th and quicksand in front of Duke/Jones/Robertson. Not unless you immediately replace Garcia and Shuck with 800+ OPS hitters. Tell me what Dan Jennings has done his last 50 appearances that would make him quicksand?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) Morneau's not going to win a Comeback Player of the Year award with only 2 to 2 1/2 months of at-bats. Damn.