Dick Allen

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Yup. I can't blame the Bulls for doing it, but to see a Chicago guy like Derrick moved because he's fallen so hard due to injuries is pretty damn sad. It isn't just injuries. It's the entire package. But while it's best for the Bulls, it is kind of sad how it all went down. It was shaping up to be spectacular.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) Derrick Rose has been traded by the Chicago Bulls. This was the right move, but boy does it sting. I can honestly say that I have never loved a sports athlete more than I did Derrick Rose. The cruelty of injury followed by some less-than-stellar reports of his off the court life sure soured his career, but man, this KID COULD GO UP STAIRS and I'll forever remember the excitement of his MVP season (youngest in the history of the NBA). The Bulls came 3 wins from the NBA Finals that year. Good luck in New York, Derrick, and good riddance. Such a sad outcome to what at one point seemed like a storybook career ready to take off. Look up DRose in his Simeon days on youtube at the United Center. The guy could dust off a net with the best of him. It was time.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Yes, but that assumes a successful bunt. Factor in the probability of the bunt failing to get down, and it's less, unless you have a hitter at the plate that can get the bunt down at a 90% success rate. Melky is a pretty good bunter. I believe he has close to 50 sacs in his career, even the year he was roided up hitting .340 he sacd a couple of times. He tends to go rogue and do it on his own, but the one in NY was called from the bench. The second time Melky bunted it was on his own.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) The vast majority of the time you play for one run, you score one run. With such a s***ty offense giving away outs is pouring gasoline on a tire fire. Because this offense has shown it is more than capable of huge innings all of the time. When the bunts have been called from the bench, they have been called at times where scoring a run could win the game. The only questionable one was when Melky bunted in NY. But second and third one out scores 1 run more often than first and second and no out. It scores more than 1 slightly less. But 1 would have been big there. All Frazier had to do was put the ball in play and not pop it up. The others people complain about were hitters doing it on their own.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Is it worth noting again that the White Sox are only right now successful on 64% of their bunt attempts (which is right at the league average)? 1/3 of the times guys try to bunt, they fail to successfully sacrifice before there are 2 strikes on the batter, on average. Some guys are better than that, but some guys are also much worse. So about 1/3 of the time the bunt is called for, the out is given away without accomplishing anything. For comparison, in the runner on first, 1 out or less case, the White Sox hit into a DP 11% of the time. What is the percentage of advancing runners when not bunting? I'm guessing nowhere near 64%. In a tight game, depending on the hitter, there is no reason to moan about a bunt.

Most of the bunts, Melky, Eaton, those are done on their own. Coats was for sure called for and made sense. He had no hits. Guys go up knowing they have a job to do. They know at the very least they have to advance the runner, so for many, it cuts out half the field. They are more confident a bunt will advance the runners vs. swinging away. Since they are the ones hitting, they are probably correct. That said, I am not a big bunt guy, and Robin through the years hasn't bunted that much. On the flipside, I don't think anyone has been too impressed with the White Sox making productive outs or stringing hits together the past few seasons.

Maybe Shields will mess with everybody and pitch a gem on Thursday.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) 15 years ago, more than half of the White Sox wanted him to be the White Sox GM. Probably 2/3rd's. Here we are today, 18 months ago, he was trying to keep the Northern League (independent/non-affiliated) baseball league afloat. Suffice it to say, he didn't become a HoF GM/Executive. When I wrote the "myth," I meant it only in the sense that he was clearly among the best negotiators in baseball, and that somehow that was the most important skill to have in the "tool box" of an MLB GM. Clearly, there are other GM's that are equally adept or can allocate financial resources just as, if not more, efficiently. So, once again, what ELSE IS HE GOOD AT? That's what I really wanted to get at...that even if he's among the Top 5-10 or whatever negotiators in MLB, can we list one category that's related to being a GM that he would be considered in the Top 10-15 (upper half) even of major league GM's? There are no "official" categories, obviously, or OPS/WAR/Pythagorean numbers for GM'ing. "Chris was always the great negotiator," said Marc, a bariatric surgeon in South Carolina who served as an Air Force surgeon in Iraq. "He could talk his way in or out of anything since he was 6 years old." It's a skill that served him well at the University of Massachusetts, where Antonetti piggybacked a business degree from Georgetown with a master's in sports management. UMass law professor Glenn Wong was still handling salary arbitration cases for the Boston Red Sox at the time. He would hire his top two or three students to help research and prepare cases. Antonetti wasn't one of them. So he paid Wong a visit, offering to do the work for free. "It's not too often that kids come in and argue their case," said Wong, who relented. Salary arbitration cases, heard to decide disputes over the fair value of a player still under contract, are based on statistical comparisons. Antonetti would offer suggestions on which data to use and how to use it, and in a manner that didn't offend his colleagues. "As soon as I took him on," Wong said, "I saw immediately how good he was and how interested he was in that work." http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2...10/post_74.html They averaged 89 wins a season during his tenure and he drafted players. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/20...retrospect.html I Have a friend who is one of his best friends and I met him a couple times many years ago. He is a good guy, someone who has no clue as to his work or character shouldn't be taking potshots. You really are being totally classless. And as to Hahn you already posted in this thread every GM in baseball could have negotiated the contracts he secured. So no need to slam on the brakes and say that isn't what you meant.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:16 AM) Yes, you're right. It was a red herring meant to provoke a conversation away from Ventura. We all know that he's good at negotiating. That's not the point. It's what is he good at besides that? Not one single person has answered that question, or even attempted to. Why can't we beat even one of our four fellow AL Central team in terms of delivering ROI on the amount of money we invest in the franchise? At best, you can argue we probably spend money more effectively than the Tigers, but they had four division championships in a row, and a World Series appearance in 2006. I don't think that's going to cause the Tigers' organization to lose any sleep, or their fans to get too bent out of shape. And what was Rick Hahn doing from October, 2008 through the end of the 2012 season? He was helping the team win/rebuild how? (This is where you write that he was one of the most sought after GM candidates in the game at that time, and turned down interviews with Teams X/Y/Z....well, you could have said the same thing about Dan Evans fifteen years ago. What has he been doing recently? ANS: Trying to run an independent league and prevent it from falling into bankruptcy.) So we all know he is good at negotiating. And if it is not the point, look at your first post. What was the point?Seems like it would be silly then to create a thread implying the opposite. And your Dan Evans info is off. He is a scout with the Blue Jays, and does some stuff with BP. He was one of the first to use saber metrics. Surprised you are taking a shot at him for some reason in the Rick Hahnisn't a good negotiator even though we know he is a good negotiator thread.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:01 AM) Has he been right at least 60% of the time? That's the generally-accepted view around baseball of what an above-average or really good GM is capable of. Statistically, you should be right 50% of the time, by sheer force of luck or chance. Be right 40% of the time, whether you're a GM or a mutual fund manager, no matter how sound your logic, you'll be out of a job eventually. The fact that we're going on 8 seasons without a playoff appearance, and Hahn's been an integral part of operations for that whole entire time...one that is only ahead of Seattle (Jack Z. fired), SD (Hoyer gone, his replacement fired and Preller installed) and the Marlins (too long a story to tell here) is all you really need to know. Hahn wasn't the GM then and all of this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread you created. There already was a Rick Hahn thread this rubbish could have been posted. What do your posts have to do with your determination that is is a myth Hahn is a good negotiator?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:58 PM) And I chose CLE for other reasons, besides them being in first place: 1) Their fanbase has been screwed over more often than ours even, with two complete rebuilds to suffer through (we had White Flag and 1994)...and they arguably had the best and most loyal fans in baseball from the mid 90's through that 2001 team 2) They have lower revenues/broadcast rights deal by far than the White Sox 3) They still managed to make the playoffs in 2013 despite all these competitive disadvantages 4) They still managed to make hiring a top manager a priority, despite limited resources The GM never made any excuses. They messed up BADLY with Swisher and Bourn, but managed to mitigate those losses somewhat and move on. The GM doesn't blame the fans for only having 25 cents to spend, not $1, because he understands the history and the heartbreak those fans have been subjected to. The ONLY choice is to build a winning team despite all the obstacles. Their organization has a much more positive and uplifting atmosphere now as a result, because everyone's pulling in the same direction and they can play off their underdog status. So when did Hahn mention only having 25 cents to spend?

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 02:55 AM) june 24th ends his 15 day dl Will he get in a few rehab games at Charlotte? before then? He can stay on the DL indefinitely. He is traveling with the team,and taking soft tosses. When he goes for a rehab, who knows. If he will be any good, who knows?

First time this season Boston has scored only 2 runs in a 2 game stretch.

Every time I see a foul pop up to 3rd I get flashbacks of Crede dropping one and Manny hitting the next pitch into the seats.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) I want to stay positive in a winning game thread, but I have just gotten sick and tired with all these attempted stolen bases with 2 outs. Question is, is this Ventura's doing or that of stupid players? He was picked off.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) It would be nice if we were allowed to be fans in the fashion we want to without being TOLD how we should do it...this isn't WSI. If you start compelling people to post or "feel" a certain way, especially when there's scant reason to do so, well...you'll end up talking to yourself, mostly. I think by this point very one knows you think everything about the White Sox sucks. You are every other post when they are losing and absent when they are winning. It gets called out and suddenly you are trying to throw all negative at people who enjoy the team and are enjoying this game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) The main reason fans are posting is because there's finally a sense SOMETHING might change about this organization...and there's at least a 50/50% chance it might be for the better. Right now, there's a slim chance that things will improve on their own. If we just muddle along like last season, that's where you will get the complete apathy. Remember when we had that run to get back to .500 at the end of July and did nothing? Well, it's looking likely we will at least split this series, but even then we're going to be 6 1/2 or 7 1/2 games out. And doubling down and trading even more prospects to fight with 8-9 teams for that 2nd wild card? Everyone just wants things to go one way or the other....competing into September and the season being a compelling one like 2012...or just completely out of it. No in between's, it's crippling this franchise. Blah, blah blah. Then don't pay attention. If the Sox were losing 15-2 you would have 1000 posts making things up to complain about. The White Sox aren't monitoring this site for your advice.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) Anybody have a good reason for bringing in D Rob here instead of giving Nate 1 ore batter? Lefties are doing jack s*** off Robertson.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Another multi hit game for Anderson. He is doing much better than I thought. If he learns to walk once in a while, he looks like he could be really good.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) Many people are having a hard time getting into this team or trust a lead. Myself included. If Boston took a 4-3 lead, they would return. There are 2 or 3 posters when this are going south that dominate game threads. I don't think they have any posts yet tonight.

Looks like a rocket in the box score.

Shuck always hustles down the line. But he did look out.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) Sandy Leon GOAT. His Strat o Matic card would be outstanding.

I went to Fenway many years ago. Carlos Lee was on the White Sox and got stuck on the Green Monstor. But in person, the Green Momster looks like it's about 250 feet from home plate.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) They had a bad one last night with Avila catching. Was like down the middle and didn't get the caught because he dropped it IIRC Flowers is a good framer and last season Shark threw one right down the middle for a ball. It was on one of the websites as the worst ball/strike call of the year. But I do value framing. Some think it's bogus, I disagree.