Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) I don't know if you are aware of this, but the vast majority of executives fly commercial (not sure why the Bulls wouldn't). I presume their team charter is handled by an airline as well (southwest or whomever). Now I'm sure, if things get delayed, they could try to set something else up (charter something), however, if it is weather issues, you could be screwed either way. If Wade waits around, we'll know he's potentially more serious (maybe this was more of the Bulls ploy and next we'll see a picture of Gar and Paxson riding a motorbike dumb and dumber style to New York!!! JR has his own jet. Maybe Gar/Pax don't get access.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Let's just put it this way. He's a career 609 OPS guy in the majors in 434 career AB's. That makes Avi Garcia look good, almost. We MIGHT be better off with Nieto...who's the better defender. First you b**** the Sox kept this guy on the roster during a rebuilding season, then sent him to AA the next season where he fell on his face. Now you are complaining he and his sub .500 OPS aren't around to call up. It's amazing what you argue about. And also the White Sox didn't really dump him. He was a 6 year minor league free agent, so he chose what he thought was the best opportunity for him. But why bother with facts when you can complain about everything without them.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) Uh, I think you quoted the wrong poster. Yes I did.

Hopefully he heals quickly. The good news is there are about as many off days in this 15 days as any.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) K.C Johnson reporting Bulls front office isn't in NY either. KC also reported when the signed Rondo, it closed the door on Wade. I doubt they are too serious about him.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Michael Jordan himself wouldn't solve the Kings. They are such a mess. I know some things about that org that I won't talk about (due to who the info comes from), but man, the stories about them are insane at how dysfunctional they are (ownership / front office / coaches). I saw a thing on 60 minutes about the owner a few years ago. He read a book and coached his daughter's team to a championship. They did something odd, I can't remember what, but he thought that would work in the NBA like it worked with 6th grade girls.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) I was thinking of that earlier this week. He's still under contract but they are definitely tight. He said Rondo was a mentor. Those 2 led the Kings to big things.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) Many do. But the #3 is usually not a highly valued property, unless you're fortunate enough to have a good AAA prospect, which most teams don't. Hate? I don't hate people because they don't need a spot on the 40. It's supposed to be a professional baseball organization, not a holiday camp for friends. It wasn't a spot on the 40. He is out of options, he needed to clear outright waivers to go back to Charlotte. He did not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/28958/david-price This is like your Ventura would be a HoF manager with the 2016 Cleveland Indians or 2015 Royals argument. Rodon has 226 IP now and has surrendered 227 hits. His ERA's hovering just a bit below 4 career-wise (4.05 now, 1.5ish WHIP). For your comparison to work, for Rodon to get anywhere near Price's second full year in the big leagues (see stats above), he's going to need to put up a 2.00-2.25 ERA for the remainder of the season. Price's walks were way up, but you can also see he was +40 in terms of IP/H ratio. Carlos is at -17. Carlos' better control isn't enough to offset those IP/H ratios. For that full second season, he recorded a 4.4 WAR. Then slipped to 2.4, then 6.4. So it averaged out to 4.4 (overall) for those 2nd-4th years in the big leagues. So we've got 1.6 WAR, then 0.6 right now for Rodon. Let's just say he's got to be one of the five best pitchers in the AL from here on out to catch up with David Price and get to a 4+ WAR, let alone at least a 3 on the season. Carlos Rodon got rocked, you should be doing an Irish jig. We will see where he is at at the end of the season. You always judge White Sox when they are struggling, and players on other teams when they are at their hottest. Besides, wouldn't this be an indictment on your boy Coop? You aren't going to tell me I was right all along about him are you?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 12:03 PM) Other than Kevan Smith, who is on the DL, what #4-6 catchers are you referring to exactly that are being bypassed to get us to Omar Narvaez? You're counting Sanchez, even though he's no longer with the organization? 1. Avila 2. Navarro 3. Smith 4. Sanchez 5. Brett Hayes (played for Dayton Moore and the Royals in 2014, stud) 6. whatever is next. And yes I am counting Sanchez because they still wanted him around but unless the Sox planned on carrying 3 catchers, he needed to clear waivers, which he didn't. Seems you and greensox don't know much about the rules either.

Instant gratification is rare in MLB. David Price is a guy Rodon has been compared to often. He struggled his first full year in TB, then took off. It's coming with Rodon, but it is weird that those who want total rebuilds have zero patience.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) Announcing? Wrestling event taking place? Florida Gators or Johnny Damon are in town? He plays for White Sox South.

Hector Sanchez made it through waivers with SD. Adrien Nieto was kept on the Sox in a rebuilding 2014 to add depth to a rebuilding team. He hit .207 with a .660 OPS in AA last year, and in AAA this season is raking to a tune of .165/.263/.214. We really should be complaining they let him leave. They have a couple more catchers in the minors on the DL , including one that played for the 2014 KC Royals, so you know he must be worthy, but they are on the DL. Rottino or whatever his name is does have some major league experience, but they are down to their 6th or 7th catcher. No organization is going to have a good solution for that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) So do you think they can turn him into a starter in under 3 seasons? Because a general guess from me would be 2 years and 3 options is pushing it close. If it would take longer than that he won't be a starter. He could do it in a year . 5 or 6 innings a start is all he has to get to initially. That shouldn't take long. Hector Santiago went from 1 start his first 5 years in the Sox system to over 25 in a year, then was called up as a reliever and moved into the rotation. If he is really throwing 104, I don't think they will,want him spending time in the minors,working on throwing 96 for 5 or 6 innings.

Johnnies is my favorite beef, but Portillo's isn't bad, and a combo at Luke's is a treat. Best beefs ever where at the now closed Jimmy's in Arlington Heights.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) But sometimes when the opposing team gets a big hit late in a game, Hawk just goes silent for like 30 seconds Maybe some that do not understand the game needs him to say something, but you watch the games and know what is going on. What do you need him to say?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) SEE BELOW/ABOVE... If I was computer expert, there would be an accompanying series of arrows pointing down/up. But yeah, I'm sure he's quite ashamed of getting to the World Series twice in a row and coming one hit away from two in a row...despite the fact that KC is the smallest media market in the NFL/NBA/MLB. What an idiot, because he missed on Alex Rios and Omar Infante. But all those resources he spent on Infante and Rios. They could have extended their run. Wasted opportunity. It is going to cost him core pieces to pay guys that contributed nothing. That is what makes small windows.that's why KC is going to suck again real soon. And he spent $70 million on Ian Kennedy when Junoir Guerra was out there for a minor league contract. They need a new GM and if he drafted Chris Sale instead of Christain Colon, he could have kept Finnegan and his 4.71 ERA because he never would have needed Cueto. Could you imagine Sale and Finnegan and Guerra in that rotation? Dynasty.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) Yes, and I can pull 2-3 mods' comments that were VERY VERY GLOWING. That said, you have to be RIGHT occasionally (let's say, 25% of the time) when you go dumpster diving. Otherwise, it simply becomes a matter of wasting resources. And that was at a time when Hahn "appeared" to be committed to the idea of rebuilding...which quickly got thrown out the window. Remember, we were all pitched that idea by the front office that guys like Downs, Paulino and Belisario could be flipped at the deadline for young prospects when they performed well...? The other was the former Cardinals' closer, and maybe Miguel Cleto. The difference is the mods aren't panning the move years later in a desperate attempt to try to look like they have any clue about baseball. I,suppose he could have been more like,Dayton Moore and spent money on Omar Infante.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 05:11 PM) Don't forget Downs and Paulino, lol... Latos and Rollins at least contributed to some win shares, especially Latos' first four starts and eating innings in the string of mediocre ones he had afterwards. Of course, if you take Danks' money, Shields' money...and look at their combined results this year as the 4th/5th starter (not sure where you fit Latos, Gonzalez and Johnson in), that's over $20 million for below replacement level pitching. They need to be back in the business of signing guys like Paulino. Too much logic in this one-- Caulfield12 in the Sox sign Felipe Paulino thread.

Yesterday was the second anniversary of Paul Konerko's final home run.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Wouldn't be surprised if @idrubkcaz15_U jumps from Double-A to the White Sox IF they team decides he's ready and fits a need. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/750415104747958272 Merkin going out on a limb. If he's ready and fills a need, he wouldn't be surprised he was called up. Wow.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) If he struggles, I wouldn't rush him. I agree. He has to earn it, but it's obviously there for the taking.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) I don't see the Bulls really being in it and I just think Wades camp is using them as leverage. Which is fine. Might as well get any other team spending more cash and lessening any potential cap space for when they need to spend. MLB, might not make much sense. But these caps, make them pay as much as possible.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) Dude, it takes like 15 seconds to even get to the person. Then 20 seconds and that battle is OVA!

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Definitely on the fast track we'll see how he does. There definitely appears to be a plan.