Dick Allen

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Ok, I don't do this often. DA and Caulfield, I recommend you guys both download League of Legends and fight 1 v 1. It would be like a Tyson fight. I would win in 5 seconds.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) You're right, you are such a great fan...so you're in favor of giving both of them 3 year extensions RIGHT NOW for the great work they've both done so far, yes? And Ventura's HoF plaque is surely on its way, as soon as he leaves the White Sox, that is. PS: Please PM the 38 who don't think the White Sox will make the playoffs and call them out for being "bad fans," that should keep you occupied. LOL It's pretty clear you aren't a Sox fan. There can't be anyone on this site who really thinks if the Sox were playing Cleveland or KC you wouldn't be pulling for the White Sox to get swept. So again, to be a bad Sox fan, you actually have to be a Sox fan. You are not. Whining, whining, more whining, making ridiculous arguments (Tom Gorzalanny, really?). You are melting just as predicted if the Sox played well.

This is hysterical. The guy who twice said he was leaving this site until KW and/or Ventura got fired, is now so upset the Sox have won 10 of 14 and are right back in the playoff hunt, he can't leave Rick Hahn alone. Now the organization was in good shape when Hahn became the GM. When it was the anti KW narrative, something totally different. Remember when Dayton Moore seemingly invented baseball? Here is his team at when he was at a similar tenure as Hahn. 65-97. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/KCR/2010.shtml

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) I think it is hard to compare Burdi to Sale-Fulmer-Rodon because he came from college as a reliever, whereas the other three were starters. Stretching Burdi IMO is a different beast because he truly doesnt have the same kind of workload as they did Burdi is going to need an offseason to recover and then prepare if that's what they decide to do with him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) Herrera gets his chance to "early audition" for the role he will eventually take over anyway. Five All-Stars out for a significant period of time and counting. Certainly Wade Davis is an all star. Gordon and Moustakis and Cain were not all star performers this season. On the other hand, if we use your definition, if Navarro and Shields collide on a bunt and both get hurt, the Sox can say they lost 2 all stars.

Wade Davis to the DL. They should have signed Joba and Gorzelanny this past offseason. What where they thinking? Instead, they let Joba go for nothing.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) You may have wanted to actually pay attention to Rajon Rondo's career to understand that he's not good, and is a horrible cancer to every team he plays. All you need to know about his 11 assists is told in the fact that the Kings were better with him on the bench. he also stopped playing defense at the end of his Boston time. I bet Fred Hoiberg gets it out of him though, right guys? It is only a positive in that he may blow up the locker room, get punched in the face by Paxson, get everyone fired, we end up with Josh Jackson. In that case, well, he is the best signing of the offseason. The other problem is Rondo is good enough to keep the Bulls in double figures range with their draft pick. You either have to be awesome or be terrible. The Bulls chose neither.

I think the bat is going to depend on what Morneau looks like. A couple more relievers would be nice. Who knows, maybe Burdi and Fulmer can help out in September.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 07:08 AM) Actually, there was no moaning until you arrived in the discussion and brought the quality of the discourse way down by beginning to do so. That is your M-O around here - whining and moaning about one thing after another. It never ends with you (see hundreds and hundreds of threads with you whining and moaning about all things Caufield). You might want to look into curbing that behavior. Meanwhile, one wonders which players teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, and the others sitting it out this year, which players they would have gone after. Answer - the ones on those top lists from BA, Fangraphs, etc. They would have gobbled those players up faster than Grant took Richmond. It's what they do year after year after year. But now in a year when none of those heavy hitters are in the mix to compete, you're telling us that Paddy and Hostetler are so much smarter than everybody else, that bypassing everyone on those top lists is somehow a sound, sage strategy. I suppose you reached that conclusion based on the routine success we've seen from Paddy since he took over his position six years ago. System is flush with international talent he's scouted and convinced to sign with the organization. Wait - no it's not. I showed you the list of the highest bonuses paid out 6 years ago. If you really think these guys in 6 years should be starring in the major leagues, you aren't paying attention. It will take longer than 6 years to see what kind of job Paddy is doing. Trying to project the equivalent of sophomores and juniors in high school to what type of player they will be as a grown adult isn't as easy as you apparently think.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 07:26 AM) It's one thing to use Wilder as the Dominican excuse. It doesn't or shouldn't have anything to do with Puerto Rico (which is part of the June draft now anyway), Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, Central America, Asia/Australia, etc. 10 Did I win today's edition of Caulfield math?

My wife insisted we go to the game yesterday which shocked me. I went on Stubhub and got some $10 tickets ($15 or so with fees) and we sat about 10 rows up right above the bullpen bar. When the Sox hit a homer they have Hawk on recording say You can put it on the board, yes! about the time the guy circles the bases and reaches home plate. I don't usually sit in the OF, so I don't know if it's normal, but the entire RF was screaming it with Hawk. It was great.

Sox are playing well, Caulfield is in meltdown mode like the Wicked Witch of the West.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) I don't think Feeky is responsible for who stays on the White Sox 40 man roster, any more than he was responsible for scouting Quintana with the Mets and Yankees in their respective systems. But, if he spotted something, more power to him. Maybe the White Sox need to sign him to a contract. And that kind of "everyone else missed it" thing was no comfort to Cashman on Q or Contreras, nor was it to all the teams who passed on drafting Mike Trout. In fact in the thread Feeky created about it this season, you said it was about 500,000 to 1 odds Junior Guerra has Jose Quintana's career. Of course that is the same Jose Quintana you mentioned as a trade chip in 2012 when you were happy the White Sox re-signed Jake Peavy. You mentioned his signing frees up Quintana to go for a 3B. Too bad you didn't mention any names, it would have been more hysterical.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 07:33 AM) http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...ept-dream-alive Where was Paddy's assessment??? Venezuela is supposed to be his first country of expertise. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/331117601.html The pickup of Guerra is interesting in that he'll be 31 years old by the time the Brewers open spring training, and he was out of affiliated baseball from 2009-'14. Neither would seem to mesh with a team in the midst of a rebuild. Guerra, a native Venezuelan, made a total of 31 appearances between Class AA Birmingham and Class AAA Charlotte in Chicago's system – including 11 starts. All told, he went 4-7 with a 3.13 ERA and a WHIP of 1.10 with 105 strikeouts in 83 1/3 innings. From 2008-'14, Guerra played in the Venezuelan Winter League as well as a number of other foreign and unaffiliated leagues. He began his career in 2006 and spent that year in the system of the Atlanta Braves, then spent the 2008 season in the New York Mets' system before being suspended 50 games for PED use. The White Sox signed Guerra as a free agent last October, and he went 6-4 with a 3.46 ERA in 15 starts in the Venezuelan Winter League. The only one on this board who would have a beef about Guerra is Feeky. Other than that, no one said anything when the Sox let him go. He will go south at some point. I wonder how Dayton Moore missed on that one. He could have saved the $70 million he gave Ian Kennedy for some of his free agents.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 11:45 PM) their primary trade targets. Need to shore up their starting pitching for the 2nd half of the season, with all their injuries/staff uncertainty. http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/ran..._12680_21247018 Someone needs to inform then a few of their trade targets are already with the organization,

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) No, not at all. They signed almost all of their Latin American talent without giving them $1 million plus bonuses, before the system changed to the point where all those under 21 players became overvalued. Cuthbert might be the only L.A. player on either team with a $1 million bonus, and his was that number, exactly. Lindor was drafted out of Puerto Rico. So what did they do this year? Why isn't it only the White Sox are stupid for not blowing through the limit?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:45 PM) And how many other weaknesses did I list? 9? But the same point can be made about the White Sox, and Omarscoming tried to argue it isn't...that it's actually a strength. And just because it's a COMPARATIVE weakness to the other elements of their team doesn't mean it's bad/terrible/preventing them from becoming a playoff team. There's no team (this year) in the Central without bullpen problems, the Royals included. Hochevar and Soria haven't been as good as expected, Duffy had to be moved back to the rotation and Collins still isn't back from TJ. So I would say KC doesn't have anywhere near the pen they did in 2014-15, although calling it an actual weakness might be pushing the definition of weakness a bit. Let's just say even the Yankees would like to improve the back end of their bullpen (hence, moving Eovaldi and possibly Pineda there). The Yankees are fine with the backend of their bullpen. You are making things up again. I understand the Sox have been playing better so you are a bit cranky.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) The LARGER point is that they brought in five established veterans from other big league teams in order to improve their pen, which was a huge weakness last year before you got to Shaw and Allen. Hahn decided that the risk of not having any experienced depth there was worth taking...which turned out to be a challenge with Petricka and then Putnam going down, and Albers becoming ineffective. In 2012, all of our rookies got the job done for 85-90% of the season. That hasn't been the case this year with our minor league depth. On June 28th, you pointed out the Indians bullpen as a weakness.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) No, he doesn't. He just wants you to commit to naming some names (of course, none of us have videos of their workouts accessible) so he can show up 2-3 years later and say ".......... was supposed to be a future star according to Thad Bosley." Because Thad Bosley missing a prediction on a young player at age 15-17 he's never even seen before (besides reading internet hype) is exactly the same as Hostetler and Marco Paddy having the professional responsibility to analyze the same players, having monitored them for years. And you can be sure if we blew past our spending limits and had, let's say, 3 out of the "consensus" Top 10, it would be used as justification of how the White Sox were totally turning over a new leaf and were really experiencing a sea change in how they do business with talent evaluation and development. Either they don't want to spend the money (in the lottery, essentially) or they don't feel they can confidently assess its value to allocate precious resources for some of the very top bonuses (see Moncada with Boston). What you have taught us is the White Sox need to be more like the Indians and Royals. Who did They sign?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 07:20 PM) Do you, Dick Allen? Do you have a view into the talent of any of the top 30 talent, such that would warrant and explain how or why the Sox would bypass going after these players? No therefore I don't criticize. the Sox scouts led by Paddy and Hostetller don't go by BA rankings. They do their own. You are moaning just to moan.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) We all give Hahn credit for Matt Latos and Jimmy Rollins... So Gorzelanny and Joba were simply placeholders in the same vein, and they were effective ENOUGH. The game that Bauer pitched 5 innings that went 18, Chamberlain and Gorzelanny both played huge roles. And they both probably cost about the same as Jacob Turner to sit in Charlotte and get bombed. The fact of the matter is that Clevinger is potentially part of their future and has more upside. Have to applaud the Indians for not resting on their laurels but continuing to find ways to improve their team 1-25. Gorzelanny pitched 3 innings. Had an ERA of 21.00. And here you are moving goalposts again. Did you break up with Dayton Moore? It uses to be all Royals all the time, can't do anything wrong. Now your new favorite team is Cleveland, they get praised for signing s***, then praised for letting it go. White Sox fan my ass.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2016 -> 06:49 AM) Meanwhile, the Sox are only a couple of games over .500 AT HOME. Royals have that crazy split, 10 games under .500 on the road and 16 games over at Kauffman. The other thing to take into consideration is just how bad CLE attendance has been....30th in the majors. Just wait until they start getting 25-30,000 more consistently, they'll be even harder to beat. Even when they've been at the bottom in attendance, they've really had an exceptional home record for most of the past 3-4 years. They get DET and NYY at home before the All-Star break. Their crowds, with CLE just having won the NBA, will really pick up in anticipation of an extended playoff and maybe World Series run. So more fans equal more wins. It really was the fans fault the Sox didn't make the playoffs in 2012, and if the fans want the team to play better they need to show up at the park. Thanks for making that clear.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 3, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) Those Indian arms got waxed today. Lol Indians DFA Chamberlain and Gorzelanny lol LMAO.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) Yesterday Frazier took an outside pitch... and Hawk emphatically stated "I haven't seen him take an outside pitch like that in awhile... that's a great sign" Then in todays game Frazier said he had a bat last night where he saw the ball for the first time in awhile... and thought he was about to get hot. That's the kind of s*** that Hawk has that hardly anyone else does. I have always noticed a lot of the people that rip him use a lot of information he provides. Yeah, he is too into the umpires, yeah his defense of Avi's defense is homer ism at its best, but he knows a heck of a lot about the game. Listening to him talk about hitting, where to stand in the box is fascinating. Players used to move around in the box, not anymore. Like with Frazier, saying he should move his back foot 6 inches farther from the plate so he won't pull off the ball was so simple and made so much sense.

The other thing is Avi wasn't supposed to see much time. LaRoche was going to DH. They weren't counting on Avi playing everyday. They tried to change him up, but e erytime they make an adjustment, either lowering his hands or opening him up, he quickly goes back to his old way. If Morneau can play fine, if he can't, I am sure they will bring in another bat. Avi wasn't the reason the team went into that horrible slide.