Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:16 AM) Yes, you're right. It was a red herring meant to provoke a conversation away from Ventura. We all know that he's good at negotiating. That's not the point. It's what is he good at besides that? Not one single person has answered that question, or even attempted to. Why can't we beat even one of our four fellow AL Central team in terms of delivering ROI on the amount of money we invest in the franchise? At best, you can argue we probably spend money more effectively than the Tigers, but they had four division championships in a row, and a World Series appearance in 2006. I don't think that's going to cause the Tigers' organization to lose any sleep, or their fans to get too bent out of shape. And what was Rick Hahn doing from October, 2008 through the end of the 2012 season? He was helping the team win/rebuild how? (This is where you write that he was one of the most sought after GM candidates in the game at that time, and turned down interviews with Teams X/Y/Z....well, you could have said the same thing about Dan Evans fifteen years ago. What has he been doing recently? ANS: Trying to run an independent league and prevent it from falling into bankruptcy.) So we all know he is good at negotiating. And if it is not the point, look at your first post. What was the point?Seems like it would be silly then to create a thread implying the opposite. And your Dan Evans info is off. He is a scout with the Blue Jays, and does some stuff with BP. He was one of the first to use saber metrics. Surprised you are taking a shot at him for some reason in the Rick Hahnisn't a good negotiator even though we know he is a good negotiator thread.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:01 AM) Has he been right at least 60% of the time? That's the generally-accepted view around baseball of what an above-average or really good GM is capable of. Statistically, you should be right 50% of the time, by sheer force of luck or chance. Be right 40% of the time, whether you're a GM or a mutual fund manager, no matter how sound your logic, you'll be out of a job eventually. The fact that we're going on 8 seasons without a playoff appearance, and Hahn's been an integral part of operations for that whole entire time...one that is only ahead of Seattle (Jack Z. fired), SD (Hoyer gone, his replacement fired and Preller installed) and the Marlins (too long a story to tell here) is all you really need to know. Hahn wasn't the GM then and all of this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread you created. There already was a Rick Hahn thread this rubbish could have been posted. What do your posts have to do with your determination that is is a myth Hahn is a good negotiator?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:58 PM) And I chose CLE for other reasons, besides them being in first place: 1) Their fanbase has been screwed over more often than ours even, with two complete rebuilds to suffer through (we had White Flag and 1994)...and they arguably had the best and most loyal fans in baseball from the mid 90's through that 2001 team 2) They have lower revenues/broadcast rights deal by far than the White Sox 3) They still managed to make the playoffs in 2013 despite all these competitive disadvantages 4) They still managed to make hiring a top manager a priority, despite limited resources The GM never made any excuses. They messed up BADLY with Swisher and Bourn, but managed to mitigate those losses somewhat and move on. The GM doesn't blame the fans for only having 25 cents to spend, not $1, because he understands the history and the heartbreak those fans have been subjected to. The ONLY choice is to build a winning team despite all the obstacles. Their organization has a much more positive and uplifting atmosphere now as a result, because everyone's pulling in the same direction and they can play off their underdog status. So when did Hahn mention only having 25 cents to spend?

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 02:55 AM) june 24th ends his 15 day dl Will he get in a few rehab games at Charlotte? before then? He can stay on the DL indefinitely. He is traveling with the team,and taking soft tosses. When he goes for a rehab, who knows. If he will be any good, who knows?

First time this season Boston has scored only 2 runs in a 2 game stretch.

Every time I see a foul pop up to 3rd I get flashbacks of Crede dropping one and Manny hitting the next pitch into the seats.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) I want to stay positive in a winning game thread, but I have just gotten sick and tired with all these attempted stolen bases with 2 outs. Question is, is this Ventura's doing or that of stupid players? He was picked off.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) It would be nice if we were allowed to be fans in the fashion we want to without being TOLD how we should do it...this isn't WSI. If you start compelling people to post or "feel" a certain way, especially when there's scant reason to do so, well...you'll end up talking to yourself, mostly. I think by this point very one knows you think everything about the White Sox sucks. You are every other post when they are losing and absent when they are winning. It gets called out and suddenly you are trying to throw all negative at people who enjoy the team and are enjoying this game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) The main reason fans are posting is because there's finally a sense SOMETHING might change about this organization...and there's at least a 50/50% chance it might be for the better. Right now, there's a slim chance that things will improve on their own. If we just muddle along like last season, that's where you will get the complete apathy. Remember when we had that run to get back to .500 at the end of July and did nothing? Well, it's looking likely we will at least split this series, but even then we're going to be 6 1/2 or 7 1/2 games out. And doubling down and trading even more prospects to fight with 8-9 teams for that 2nd wild card? Everyone just wants things to go one way or the other....competing into September and the season being a compelling one like 2012...or just completely out of it. No in between's, it's crippling this franchise. Blah, blah blah. Then don't pay attention. If the Sox were losing 15-2 you would have 1000 posts making things up to complain about. The White Sox aren't monitoring this site for your advice.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) Anybody have a good reason for bringing in D Rob here instead of giving Nate 1 ore batter? Lefties are doing jack s*** off Robertson.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Another multi hit game for Anderson. He is doing much better than I thought. If he learns to walk once in a while, he looks like he could be really good.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) Many people are having a hard time getting into this team or trust a lead. Myself included. If Boston took a 4-3 lead, they would return. There are 2 or 3 posters when this are going south that dominate game threads. I don't think they have any posts yet tonight.

Looks like a rocket in the box score.

Shuck always hustles down the line. But he did look out.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) Sandy Leon GOAT. His Strat o Matic card would be outstanding.

I went to Fenway many years ago. Carlos Lee was on the White Sox and got stuck on the Green Monstor. But in person, the Green Momster looks like it's about 250 feet from home plate.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) They had a bad one last night with Avila catching. Was like down the middle and didn't get the caught because he dropped it IIRC Flowers is a good framer and last season Shark threw one right down the middle for a ball. It was on one of the websites as the worst ball/strike call of the year. But I do value framing. Some think it's bogus, I disagree.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 07:01 PM) Bad umping but Navarro can't f***ing receive. Baffling why Hahn ignored/overlooked his god-awful framing stats when signing him. I am all for framing, but umpires shouldn't miss non borderline pitches.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) But Avi struggles to make contact Yes but if he knew he was going he knew there would be a hole on the right side and that theoretically could have helped him stay on it. People do it all the time, but a lot of the time attempting to stay out of a DP winds up a DP.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:57 PM) Why would you call a hit and run with Avi and Navarro running for second? LOL 3-2 count stay out of the DP on a grounder and open up a hole.

Why are game threads dead when the Sox aren't losing?

He called that one high. He is high.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:26 PM) Man Lawrie has been throwing some leather this series He has been much better defensively than I thought. Needs to get the bat going.

The Sox have their 2.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Sure it is. Implicit in this thread is the idea that the Indians doubled and will eventually TRIPLE the number of bargain contract extensions for young members of their core. That the cumulative surplus value of that trumps anything else. Hahn won't, because what players will he have to extend? Lawrie? Frazier? Nate Jones? Cabrera? Rodon? Avi Garcia? Anderson might be the only one, EVENTUALLY. You are making things up again. And if he doesn't have anyone to extend does that mean his negotiation skills are non existent? I get Hahn is becoming the new target because of Shields. I get you wanting to become a hero to all the people who are now starting to blame Hahn. But at least try to be a little accurate.