Dick Allen

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Because they're actually in a pennant race, unexpectedly to boot, so he can actually help the team right now. I kinda get that. So it's wrong to be aggressive promoting players unless you are going to promote them into the pressures of a pennant race?

Avi is not pickimg this guy up at all. He needs a hanger.

Hawk doesn't bother sying the dreaded leadoff walk when the Sox are hitting anymore.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) Just a crass salary dump. Terrible Of course the Sox did this with E Jackson, who would have brought back a marginal top 100 prospect like Teahen was, to save $6 mill on Teahen. Jackson was going to be a free agent. For 13 Edwin Jackson starts, and taking Teahan's money, the Sox got Frasor,, who turned into. Webb and Jaye. I really don't understand how anyone can complain about that.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) Dude's a f***in' tool. Anyone need more proof? Go read through this thread, see how often he was wrong, and then see how many times he admitted it. I guess personal attacks are now allowed. But where was I wromg in this post? Show me.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) yeah it was...dude clearly leaned into it. Crap call/non-call by the ump...still a no-hitter tho. The last 57 batters he has faced, he has allowed 1 walk, 1 hit, and 1 HBP.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) if there is enuf of a spread between getting pitcher or hitter, and the player with the highest upside is a pitcher. then yeah i would always love another Sale. Laumann said in the first several rounds they always draft best player on their board. He said in the later rounds they may Pock someone based onposition of need.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Okay but J.R. was opposed to taking advantage of market inefficiencies. There was no penalty to spend a ton before. There was absolutely no excuse to not draft guys that fell and sign them for big $$ to deals to fuse the system with talent. My biggest problem was not doing things that a team like the Red Sox used to do all the time. He never took the draft seriously. He didn't allocate the resources that could have been allocated. He did give Borchard the highest bonus ever at the time. I do think his failure spooked the team.

I don't even know if I should post this....We have a new hire in our IT department, so take this with a huge grain of salt, buy she claims to know Samardjiza and said he will be traded in the next week. If you want him traded, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I cannot verify if this is accurate for a week.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) well said....... ref the bold, can you pls expand on that for those who live outside ILL. before they move this thread, start a new one. i hope you don't mind. many thanks. Ronertson said he sucked, he took the blame for the loss. When Alexei's spin o rama for no reason cost the Sox a game, he was "unavailable" afterwards to the media.

I have no problem with Robin going to Robertson. 125 pitches last outing, 111 this, as Robin said he has to protect the crown jewel plus they have a $14 million a year closer that hasn't been used. Last year Trout homered off Sale with 115 pitches with nowhere near Robertson in the pen, and in hindsight he was called an idiot for leaving him in. People have been saying this season is over. If you believe that, why would winning last night be so important you would be willing to risk Sale's health? One sad fact, since 2012, Sale has 4 starts where he has gone at least 8 innings without giving up an earned run and didn't get the win, Hopefully some of the guys can learna lesson from Robertson owning up after the game instead of hiding like Alexei did when he blew the game.

Maybe Melky can get a hit but make it a full count to give Geo a better shot.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) Is there a promotion going on tonight? Why are so many people at this game? They sold more tickets than usual this winter. School is out. It is supposed to be warm. The crowds are going to be bigger.

Just showed Sale with a bunch of pine tar on his hand in the dugout. Oops.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) The league office has no clue on that call. They overturn a bunch of them. They changed the interpretation late last year. It isn't the same as when the White Sox got screwed last year.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:13 PM) Robin is just as hard to watch as the players. How do you not challenge that? This team doesn't exactly have a top 5 offense to make up for that run You don't challenge that because there is zero chance of anything being overturned.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Everyone seems to know but you. The media insiders know it and this is the writer who finally says it. I think even Kenny as GM had little control when it came to firings. I have no doubt Kenny would have fired Ozzie but JR got in the way and none of that nonsense would have happened. So everyone but me knows everyone with the White Sox is the problem but Rick Hahn. Hahn was praised and praised and praised for the White Sox wheeling and dealing this past offseason, and when those players didn't perform, suddenly, he really had nothing to do with it. It was KW. It was JR. It's because Robin is managing. I don't mind Rick Hahn. I just don't understand assuming he is blameless here.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) I reading an article on hitting coaches and the conclusion is most players don't listen. That's why George Brett quit. On some organizations when players don't listen they can be replaced. I would think handling veteran players would be the biggest challenge. They may have developed habits they've gotten away with and trying to change that must be hard for the coach and the player. That story about George Brett was interesting. Mike Schmidt wrote it after talking to George. Apparently the hitters didn't want to work with him because he had suggestions, but they had no problem with the assistant because he would tell them what they wanted to hear. So George quit.

Some inaccuracy. Laumann didn't preside over the 2001-2003 drafts. And the fact that Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook were in the Hawks OrganIzation when all these changes happened. Would the Hawks have won 3 cups and been as popular without McDonough? I am going to say probably. They were putting the home games on TV. Bill Wirtz was gone so no matter who took over would have been thought of as an upgrade, and their talent level was improving. I also think McDonough played a huge role in Brian Campbell's contract, which at least has been partially blamed on the Hawks having to dump players, although they did dump his contract...on Tallon. Would they have won even 1 cup or the 3 they did win if they stuck with Tallon and Savard? It's easy to say no, and it's probably the correct answer, but again we will never know. To try to copy another teams' "model" especially from another sport, is kind of hard to do, and there are several ways teams go about being successful. I don't understand how he can say this guy is bad, that guy is bad, but Hahn....he just hasn't been able to do what he wants to do. How does he know that? And if that is the case, and Hahn is/was willing to be someone's puppet, why would he be the guy for the job anyway?

they are throwing out 60-65 million AS game ballots. I wonder how this will change the AL leaderboard.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) again, blaming the "meathead" fans. If it isnt trolling with your "where are the fire steverson posts", or trolling with anything John Danks, are now trolling with "hey hawk fired Tony larussa same thing Amirite", you continue to blame the fans. That isn't what I'm doing but whatever. At no point did I blame the fans. If you want to think I'm trolling because my opinion is different than yours, fine. But I think your post here is definitely trolling me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) But on pace for a .423 winning percentage over a 3 year period with 2 of those being high-salary years, and arguably the weakest organization top to bottom we've seen in decades, that's pretty darn good reasoning. Get off the high salaried 2013. Dunn was crap. Konerko was a shell of himself. Peavy and Rios were traded. Be fair. If anything, the surprising success of the 2012 team probably set some things back a season.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) It doesn't have to be on one guy. It's a system-wide failure. The thing is, Robin Ventura isn't special. Even if you think he's competent, he's completely replaceable. I mean, if they fired him, what are the chances it came back to bite them? I'll tell you...zero. You would have easily said the same thing about Tony LaRussa in 1986. Yet he still gets mentioned. Hawk still gets crap for firing him. Bobby Cox, Joe Torre, when they managed bad teams they had a bad record. If firing the manager or the hitting coach or the video guy or whatever made the White Sox win more games, fine. If it is just to appease meathead fans who won't go to games anyways, and the losing will continue so they will just move on to their next target, it makes no sense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) So the people who made the decisions to bring those players in made terrible ones and you agree they need replaced. I continue to be ok with that. Hell, if Robin could convince a replacement GM to keep him, I probably would be ok with that. Sports isn't like a regular job. If you fired a GM for misses, you would be forced to give them 2 month contracts.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) DA, you dont want to blame anyone except Soxtalk. Its never the players, managers, or coaches fault, just the people who are pissed off that this team looks and plays like s*** ? I am blaming the players. Look at every manager's record that has been around awhile. Sometimes they come in first, sometimes they come in last. Do they just get really smart one year, and stupid the next? Baseball isn't like the other sports where you install an offense and defense and call plays. The manager/coach doesn't play as big of an in game role. In fact, it isn't even close. If we saw guys not trying, I would agree something there needed to be done. I am amazed the offense is this bad. I think even the guys who thought this team may suck are amazed the offense is this bad. The defense, we all knew wouldn't be good. The baserunning has been bad. They brought in Vince Coleman for that. Seemed like a solid move, but guys are worse. If, in my mind, I thought there was a 1% chance the reason the White Sox suck this year and the past 2 was Robin and the coaching staff, I would be right on board with everyone else who wants them all gone. The talent level was short the last 2 years. This year, the players, almost all of them, haven't played up to expectation. It's easy to blame that on one person, but it wouldn't be correct. Melky Cabrera isn't hitting. Adam Eaton isn't hitting, running bases or defending. Jeff Samardzija isn't pitching like a 9 figure pitcher. How can that be on one guy and not the guy actually playing?