Harry Chappas

Through 3, 3-3 game of the 18 outs, 9 K's and 9 Fly Balls / Pop Outs. Lilly at 80 pitches which is good for the cubs because the Brewers can not hit anyone in their pen. Lilly 5 K's through three.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2007 -> 02:28 PM) Any time the Cardinals offense wants to wake up again, that would be fine with me. Facing a guy like Albers is a game they have to win after getting shut down by Oswalt. I think if StL get out of the 8th they will win.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 30, 2007 -> 12:13 PM) Cox deserves plenty of credit. As to the rest? Schuerholz says that he doesn't think people who rip his organization for not winning the Series understand the game of baseball or the history of the Streak. And by the way, the Braves have been to more series in Schuerholz tenure than the White Sox in all their history. What does that mean? A variety of things. Most important of which is to ask, What, exactly, are you trying to say? when you say "Atlanta = Rings = Chicago." That's bulls*** and it's silly. I am trying ot stay that Atlanta isn't THE MODEL organization. They could be one of them but you need to win more than once. I personally like how Flordia did it. The thing with using the term organization though is to try and decipher what that means. A GM, manager, scounting and owner. The change in ownership has hamstrung the Royals and Cardinals and now may be doing the same to the Braves. I would also argue that the Indians if they make the playoffs could be better than all of them as they have rebuilt their orgnaization because ownership made them. Has any team produced more impact players then they have over the last 12 years? My rings theory was to point out that there are many different things that impact winning and making the playoffs. There is no doubt that orgnaizationally speaking the Braves are beetter than the White Sox but they also had some things go really right for them after being really really bad for many years (ie Doyle Alexander and Ted Turner's pocketbook). I grew up idolizing Dale Murphy, Bob Horner and Bedrock by the way.

F' that what was the White Sox record last year when Chris Widger was released......... What was their winning percentage during his tenure with the White Sox.......

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 09:15 PM) Not a model, the model. And once again, you've missed the point, but that's okay. Once again you are trying to prove a point without bringing up an important piece of the puzzle , Bobby Cox. What organization did John Shurholtz help turn around like Cox did with Toronto and now the Braves. The Royals experience taught him how to do things the right way but you need managers that can blend that talent and realize they are not GM's. I also think St. Louis prior to the ownership change was the model organization. There were a-lot of things that went right for the Braves in the 90's but the fact of the matter is, the Braves and White Sox have he same amount of World Series wins over his tenue. The fact that they may miss the playoffs in a pathetic NL kind of tarnishes the organizational reloading theory a bit to me. Also the difference with the cub chatter and Brave chatter is that many people on this board are affected negatively on a daily basis as a result of the cub success and this year it is more irritating than usual because they and the Sox suck.

Sign Rowand and resign Pods and Erstad move Ozuna to short and lead-off put Fields in left and Crede at third and go from there. Ozuna Fields Thome Konerko AJ Rowand Dye Crede Richar Bench Pods, Erstad, Hall, Utility IF, RH bat My assumption being that Ozuna was a pretty good SS prospect coming up through the Cardinal organization if I am wrong, whoops. This allows some cash for the pen and a healthy Crede.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 12:02 PM) Interesting story today: Houston fired their GM and manager. After not getting the NL in '04 and losing the WS in '05 and last year, the owner had had enough. When will our owner have had enough? When his GM spends $100M on a player not worth it and trades for a pitcher that does nothing and has an organization resting nicely out of one of the easist divisions to win in baseball histoty. You can not compare the Houston situation to the Sox at all. The Cincinnati Reds are in the race to a degree because of the schedule, Houston should be as well and with how their bullpen is working now they should be walking away with this division. Although I think the Sox should be over .500 they were probably the fourth best team in that division. The Tigers have a good team now becasue they sucked for so long. If the Sox get a Justin Verlander or Joe Mauer next June this season will be a success for me and better than going 84-78. Now if Erstad and Pods are batting 1 & 2 next year and they draft a player based on signability, you will have an argument.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 12:06 AM) I did pull a Mariotti there. Him botching that pop up the other day concerned me I guess. I just can see where the poster is coming from. I like Thome but the LOVE for Thome sort of amazes me. And he's injury prone big time at this stage of his career. I think it's time to move on. Thome you have to admit is going to miss more and more games via injury as he continues to age. Anyone remember the fly ball to left that Aaron Rowand had to catch in straight away left field on a late, sunny Sunday afternoon in August because the left fielder could not see it? Not making excuses but the verdict can not even be addressed as to the abiltiy of Fields in left. I find it funny that Gonzalez can adjust nicely to the OF but Ozuna looks scary out there. I think with his speed and arm he could turn into an asset out there. A bad defensive left fielder is fine if you have a good centerfielder. I believe the centerfielder will be Rowand

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) I sure as hell hope not, believe it or not but bullpens -- especially those as terrible as the White Sox's -- often blow leads. You don't take one of your best hitters out of the lineup in the top of the 8th because he's inexperienced defensively. So is Fields a terrible defensive LF now? I didn't realize such judgments could be made after only 2 games. I have never seen him play the position. I assume he won't be a GG player by next April out there. I am not sure why more guys are not pulled in the 9th when their team is winning for better defensive players. This is nothing against Fields. Jeff Torborg would make such switches in the 6th and 7th innning.

Great now I have to remember to start a game thread tomorrow. Damn archieves.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 03:21 PM) Assuming he's going to be playing LF every day next season, it would be nice for him to get some experience playing the position in close and late situations. What's the downside to leaving him out there? If he is the leftfielder next season, he will be pulled if winning in close/late situations. Fields is a better hitter than Joe Crede right now in my opinion. Although I have not been watching as intently as if they were in it but he seems to not hit the right side of the infield pop up as often. Granted he is in a spot in the order to produce but I just think he will only get better and cut down on the strikeouts.

Within that time span the Olympics will expand to include major league players at which time Chris will forgo baseball, compete in track and win more medals that Mark Spitz. My original post should have been in green BTW.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 01:12 PM) 2 k's and a pop out for Contreras in the first. Maybe he'll find his form the last 5 weeks. or not. Why does this guy insist on throwing side arm?

Chris Young would have been safe.

Didn't see one out there. I like to keep the archives in order.

This team was not a playoff contendor and I'd rather have a high draft pick then pretend they are good. I believe the silver lining is that this season was a wake up call to the organization. They will have a top tier payroll next season and will address the problems. The late 80's teams really sucked and turned it around very quickly. This season sucks but it happens. The 2003 team was in my mind the best in baseball and they fell short. That would still haunt me if not for 2005. We are bad this year, now let's move on hope we get a kick ass prospect and change some things. This is season is no worse I'd say then the perennial 2nd place teams of the late 90's.

I think the Brewers take 2 of 3 and the Cardinals sweep whomever they play and the NL Central becomes quite a race.

I thought the bench called most of the game.

According to Fields MLB spray chart all but two home runs, one down the line and the other to right center are all in about the same spot, just to the center side of left center. He has 16 homers and is hitting .246, I have trouble not really liking this kid.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) I really don't think Fields can his Beckett. Ha.

QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) Are you f***ing kidding me...??? White Sox fans had 14 hours notice that this game was going to be played. Half of the Red Sox fans are here for the weekend and don't have to work. The other half are Cub fans who don't work anyway. It's not like the place is filled with 20K RS fans. There's maybe 12K TOTAL fans there right now. According to Ed the place has about 100K of the 'Nation" there. The fact is Sox fans are not going to rearrange their day to get to the game at 1:00 today. The thing I find really stupid is why not play it tomorrow when the forecast is for 78 and sunny. Start at noon...oh wait they are the Fox game aren't they......

The weather shouldn't keep you at home the guaranteed ass kicking and listening to obnoxious Red Sox fans should.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 01:56 PM) He'll end up through 120 through 6 and Gagne, the Jap leftie and Papelbon will finish it off. How do s*** players (Alex Cora) hit OSx pitching so well? Beckett may get through seven.

Looking like the series in Boston already our pitchers s*** all over themselves and embarass themselves. Danks may go three innings in game two

So much for a good Garland outing. Nice 2.2 IP though.