Harry Chappas

Why no bunt? How come a player that can hit and not bunt feels Guillen's rather (Iguchi) yet s*** players like Owens, Cintron and Uribe get consistent time. Jerry Owens has no business being in the majors over Sweeney BTW. sad.

Garland seemed to be doing really well..................................................1-0 Fish. There is the ballgame. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) Can someone name me a mediocre shortstop who was rewarded $10-$11M in arbitration? Why does Hawk feel the need to make s*** up? What was he talking about?

This line-up made me choke on my lunch. Owens - Cintron combined OPS .980 Cintron CS.....ugh

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 11:52 AM) Mark just said on ESPN 1000 that waiting until the end of the season before discussing any sort of extension way a mutual decision, Buehrle had an equal hand in putting this thing off. My guess was they thought there would be a season. Now that it is over, start the talks now until July 31st then move or sign him. Why not talk now?

My dislike for the cub has Barrett at the top of my list of guys I want to get red hot. I hate(d) barret with a passsion by the way. I wonder who the cub is targeting as their next catcher.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 10:51 AM) You say it's a risk KW can not take but in reality it's his best course of action, you're not going to get big time major league talent from a 1st place team looking to make a run for a championship. Either you re-sign Buehrle (which I really don't think is going to happen), you trade him for a couple highly touted prospects or you let him walk at the end of the season and enjoy your 2 draft picks. Prospects are hit and miss but when you're making deadline deals with contending teams, they're really all you're going to get in return. I agree with you 1,000% if the Sox do not want to sign Buerhle and the Mets can not work out a deal in the 72 hour window of opportunity. If a long term deal is struck, then you need to get more than three prospects who haven't shown enough in their cup of coffee time to warrant a #2, possibly NL #1 starter locked up for the next 5 to 7 years which thus far will yield 14 wins and 200+ innings. The struggles of the Mets at this time needs to be used against them.

Am I the only one that thinks if you can work out a contract extension with Mark Buerhle his value increases dramatically. I guess the value of the three prospects is something special but this is a starting pitcher that they can lock up for 5-7 years if they'd like. Do the Sox ask for 5 of the Mets prospects in exchange for Buerhle if he signed for whatever it is the Mets want to give him? I may be over valuing Mark Buerhle but I am not sold that the three guys mentioned are all everyday players and Buerhle is an All-Star and all of 28 years old. They may end up as Hafner, Sizemore and Willis. They also may not, and that is risk KW can not take at his time with this organization. Low level prospects for one of the most popular players in team history will be tough for the bandwagon fanbase to swallow. How is attendance at the Jake? How'd the Mets look last night?

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) For what it's worth, per Trib ... I like to hear that the Devil Rays were here, though I do not suspect that we will be getting what we all want. What if they were scouting Danks?

North talking to fans if you want entertainment tune if. Bowen threw out 3 of 26 runners sounds like AJ. Tyler Burke hitting .211 Barrett caught Peavy in WBC. Pads announcer (Billy Ray Smith former LB?)_ talking to North. Pads think the guys they gave up both suck This sounds like a terribly bad cub trade. Stone brought up Linebrink...belief is Phil Nevin and GREG MADDUX helped in determining if Barett was worth the risk. Man the Pads guys are fired up for this. Dickie Thon turns 49 today BTW

Fred Huber ----- Bowen and ML OF Tyler Burke Good for Pads.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) Now the rumor is it's for Bowen and a minor leaguer. Soto? and Bard or Bowen was the original rumor, then they moved to Linebrink.

Rumor Linebrink and Bowen. I like this trade for the cubs actually.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 08:53 AM) Bard's numbers are certainly down across the board this season, and Kevin Towers may be regretting that deal he gave him in the off-season (think it was a 3 year deal). So maybe Barrett for Bard and a fringe bullpen arm from the Pads? They're pretty full with relievers ATM. Is Bard 29?

SCORE is talking to Steve Stone; Here it is, Stone's friend talked to Barrett moments ago and he is leaving. Barrett is a FA. Speculation Stone says they had to be getting Bard or Bowen...

For a team struggling to get runs and get something going I find it surprising. They should be looking for Dye out there as well.

What is the Mets record in June? The White Sox hold the upper hand in the market. They need not sell. They potentially could have a ton of picks just by holding on to the pieces they have as none of the players will accept arbitration. Could they not get three additional number one's and three sandwich picks just by holding onto these players? Signability is an issue with all draft picks but you can gamble more with the picks as well as pick up a pick in the next draft if a guy does not sign. How'd Jon Adkins work out as well as the Jon Berry? Would the Mets give up Wright for Buerhle, probably not but that is where KW should start. Prospects can fizzle out. Proven starters are worth a-lot more especially one's that are signed for five years and are 28 years old. The abiltiy to sign Buerhle increases his value greatly.

If they are able to sign him long term I package Uribe and Buerhle and ask for Wright and Pelfrey. The other three guys would work if no long term deal is signed. The chances of them panning out are the same as Jeremy Reed, Scott Ruffcorn and Johnny Ruffin in my book. The 72 hour window to negotiate increases the ante greatly. The Mets have a worse record than the Sox in the month June BTW. You pit the Cardinals, Braves, Phils, Brewers, Astros and Mets as well as the NL teams out west against one another and drive up the price for any and all players in the White Sox organization.

Bullpens are a complete crapshoot. JC Romero was just released, wasn't he lites out for the Twins a couple of years back. Using the Twins and Oakland as examples, how much do they spend on their pen? They usually have really good one's. Outside of the closer, bullpens need to be constructed by flukie delivery one trick ponies that only face a couple of hitters every few days. I think that KW is finally determined to build his pen from within ala the Twins. You spend money on a rotation and a couple of big bats then build your fill in hitters and pen from within. The problem with the White Sox is that the farm system is not able to produce the .333 OBP lite hitters and 90-92 MPH fastball above average slider for strike pitchers. If the Sox were the Twins, Broadway, Floyd, and Gio would be in the pen and Owens, Fields and Valido would be setting up Dye, Konerko, and Thome. I still would like to know where the money will be spent next season if Buerhle, Dye, Iguchi and Crede are not back that is over $25M. I also think for the NL (Cards, Mets, and Braves) the likes of Contrearas and Vazquez would be worth picking up as their deals are not that bad. They are actually great deals if KW is willing to eat a couple mil in exchange for good prospects . Think Contrearas plus $2M a year for Reyes. If KW ate half of Contrearas deal what could he get...... Ichiro will not be on the market IMHO.

Didn't Contreras and Garland sign the same deals? Did Jose get 4 years? He signed after 2005, was this for 2006-2008? Was his an extension for 2007-2009? Was Garland's a pure three years for 2006-2008 becasue he was arbitration eligible? With Buerhle you have to remember that Konerko and Thome will be coming off the books or valued at a lower price after year three. This is where Rick Hahn is invloved something like this 2008 - $12M 2009 - $12M 2010 - $15M So far 3 yr $39M with other starters on the books also player can opt out of deal 2011 - $20M guaranteed if 500 innings reached in first three years - Team buy out $10M if 500 not reached - player opt out as well Guaranteed 4 yr $49M - Potentially $59M if healthy or Mark can walk 2012 - $20M guaranteed if 700 innings reached through four years - Team buy $10M is 700 not reached - player can opt out as well This deal guarantees Buerhle 4 yr $49M but allows him to leave or renegotiate after year three and lets the Sox out of the deal for $10M if he is done prior to the start of year 4.

Buerhle and Garland are guys you build a franchise around. We choose to do it with Contrearas and Vazquez because they were cheap. If our minor league system didn't suck so bad we would actaully have a bright future to build around Thome and Konerko. Last night was a prime example of what happens when your leadoff hitter gets on more than once a week. I would like to keep all of the starters and fill in the line-up with hitters getting 3-5M each.

Did I hear correctly that Lee got 6 games and the appeal will be heard this week? If he and Ramirez miss this weekend, it could be interesting.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) Zambrano isn't going anywhere unless the Cubs go on a White Sox-esque slump. I was talking in the offseason. I think the Mets would trade for Buerhle now, let him walk, then sign Zambrano.

I think the Mets will go hard at Zambrano. Thus the Sox could get him back via FA and the nice players while the Mets make a run at the WS and get two draft picks.

He is eligible to come off the DL Saturday. Any word on where he is and what he is up to? Although I believe the season is a formality I'd still like to keep it respectable.