StrangeSox

The idea is that, as you go down in the earth, the temperature reaches a pretty stable 60* F everywhere (I'm sure Balta can comment more on that). You're using the earth as a big heat exchanger to get all the water in your pump system to 60*. In the winter, that water is going to be significantly warmer than the outside air and will help heat. In the summer, just the opposite. I don't think you need underground water (like a well or something) for typical installations.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2010 -> 07:44 PM) Can someone give me a quick crash course in a geothermal energy system? More specifically, how much they cost to install for a commercial building about 4000-5000 square feet (sports bar, and I'm guessing $15k?), how reliable they are, how much they save in heating costs, whether it's going to be cost-effective for me, etc. I think if I'm having to rehab a building and install a new heating system it would probably be worth it to pay the extra up-front costs, assuming the bank finances me. I really want to use a lot of green energy - LED lighting, solar water heater, etc. to the extent that it's financially possible for me to do so. This seems to be inline with what I've read over the years: http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/home/h...geothermal.html

BP's dismal safety record: 760 OSHA fines for BP versus 1 for Exxon. If I hear any BP asshole say "safety is our number one priority", I'm going to be completely unsurprised.

It's not a normal situation because Gaza isn't an actual country, though. If they're going to blockade as if it was a war, then they're bound by Geneva IV and need to let in aid. Which they're not.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 3, 2010 -> 12:19 PM) He died as a result of working in a factory during WWII. But whatever. Agree to disagree. That's a cheap rhetorical dodge. The implication of that phrase to pretty much anyone in the world would be "killed in battle in the European theater", not "got a disease from working in a war production factory." The former is exactly what she was trying to elicit emotionally.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2010 -> 04:58 PM) I was going to add this. A LOT of people don't buy the official government explanation of the collapse of Building 7. I know also a lot of people don't necessarily think things were necessarily orchestrated by the government, but feel that the 9-11 commission wasn't adequate and wasn't able to do a proper investigation, only enough to come to an inoffensive, politically correct conclusion. Building 7 looked great from one side, but there was a giant gash in the back from the other towers falling on it. It also had a raging diesel fire burning for hours and a low-redundancy structural design.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2010 -> 08:23 AM) This one drives me crazy. With all of the people, time, and equiptment needed to undertake this operation, NO ONE has made a first hand account of either doing it, or seeing it done. There's also maybe one company in the world capable of something that large-scale.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 07:02 PM) I'd be curious to hear from the 9-11 group on here. What and why do you believe? That is one I can't get behind at all. there's all sorts of crazy ideas out there. The main ones are, I think, a government plot to go to war, some insurance scam for the guy that owned the WTC, and, of course, the jews/ Mosad are responsible. Generally, they think a missile hit the Pentagon and that the WTC buildings were wired with demolition charges.

Maybe Galarrage knows what he accomplished, even if the ump blew the call and kept him off the books.

Another completely missed call right in front of the ref before the goal. Ridiculous.

Biden: "What's the big deal?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-ad...a-flotilla-raid eta: and here's a "guestimate" list of what is and isn't allowed into Palestine, for anyone who's curious. http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenMess...Strip060510.pdf

There's little more obnoxious in this world than evangelical atheists, and Meyers is one of the leading idiots.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 08:52 AM) Yea, when they're that young it doesn't matter because they don't know the game, the rules, or what they're even doing. Keeping score at that age is pointless because they don't even know what they're playing yet. But after they do know what they're playing, it's modern lunacy. Right, that was what I was getting at. At the really young ages, you're just learning how to play the game. It's not really competitive and the focus should be on teaching not win, win, win. That said, I was on a soccer team that scored one goal all year, but I still remember having fun.

I don't have problems with some of the really young teams de-emphasizing winning, but this is just stupid.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jun 1, 2010 -> 09:25 PM) Because its war and thats what happens in war? That's not a moral justification.

They're poor and have no power and are in the middle of a conflict stretching over a millennium.

That still doesn't make any damned sense. If Presidents typically are in DC and not on vacation, Arlington is closer than Lincoln. Is it therefore tasteless to go to Arlington and not somewhere further away?

They tend to overreact and do really s***ty things to a completely oppressed population. And they typically ignore what the rest of the world is saying. So, yeah, they're usually wrong.

Yeah, they are poor. Completely impoverished. And under a very stringent blockade and trade/ aid embargo. They can't get building supplies to repair what Israel bombs. They can't get food. They don't have fuel. They don't have medical supplies. Please give moral justification for blocking the supply of food and medical supplies to a completely impoverished area. eta: there are plenty of s***ty people on the pro-Palestine side. Probably a lot on the boat where the violence broke out. But Israel does not hold any moral high ground.

You said it was little tasteless but not enough to get upset about. I find that personally insulting. I buried my grandfather there in November. Why is it a little tasteless? Or do you actually want to retract that statement and admit it was baseless and insulting to those with loved ones buried at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary?

FYI it's stuff like this, the complete lack of building supplies, severe lack of medical supplies, and the general lack of aid that are the motivation for the flotilla. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/02/26-7 Oh, and it's already worked: http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middl...a-95311269.html

Well, they certainly aren't fishing any more.

No guns were found on board. Even if we believe what Billy Kristol has to say (HA!), where's the justification for Israel boarding boats in international waters and taking prisoners? Where's the justification for responding to people with sticks and knives by shooting them? This is, of course, bypassing the lack of justification for the blockade in the first place. LOL. That's why its best to ignore Kristol's crap. They "attacked" Israeli naval personnel when Israeli naval personnel illegally boarded their ship and tried to take them prisoner. Guardian has a decent breakdown: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/3...reedom-flotilla

Neimi has been fantastic tonight

Yeah, it's more convenient for him to go to Lincoln. But that only matters if: a) veterans (and all the non-veterans) in Arlington are worth more than those in Lincoln (veterans only) or B) value of memorializing is based on inconvenience level of the President