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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) Not really, but I also don't think the offers will be nearly that low unless he absolutely collapses in the next five weeks. I don't know...I think these GMs are looking at the same stuff we are and wondering what the hell is going on here. What do you think a suitable offer would be for you?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 08:07 AM) You absolutely have to be willing to deal Avi. He only has two more years of control left, and is about to get really expensive. If this season even close to keeps up, he should be jumping into the $10 million club. I don't think anyone is unwilling. But would you move him, for, say, one top 75 prospect?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 07:30 AM) Shields activated, Gonzalez to DL with shoulder joint inflammation. And general suckage.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 07:27 AM) One reason is that this looked like a real start from scratch operation last fall. Now, all of a sudden, the Sox have a young 2B, a young 3B, a young CF (staying power, TBD), a young 8th/9th inning reliever. As for Avi, no reason to keep him to keep him. Not sure what the "sweet spot" is in terms of balancing his value based on his current play v. the likelihood of it continuing. If no offers with at least 1 legitimately good prospect offered, they could revisit this next year, with still 1.5 years remaining and a full year and a half of quality play under his belt. Or they could extend him. And if he falls off the cliff, not much would be lost anyway. Well there are plenty of reasons to keep him. Just because we are rebuilding doesn't mean you need to jettison every asset you have for some unknown quantity. I agree with others that if for whatever reason, some team believes the guy is going to be a consistent all-star, and as a result, thinks they may be able to capitalize on his quick rise to success and get him a bit on the cheap, then you think long and hard about that. An offer that represents the value of a young, middle of the order bat that maybe has some questions around it should still be quite lucrative. However, absent that offer, and I think this is the most likely scenario, we have two years to see if the guy is going to continue to perform in a similar fashion to how he is hitting this season, and determine whether to re-sign him or not. We do have money, folks. There is nothing wrong with having a few guys we actually have to pay, as long as they are the type of assets that are worth paying for. A young, middle order bat is exactly that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 06:25 AM) He's a former Latin signing who is currently 19 years old and playing very well in A Ball. Strong package of tools (speed/power/arm), walks at a decent clip for his age, and sounds like he can actually stick in CF long-term. He's got some swing & miss issues that are concerning, but his ceiling is very, very high. Reminds me of Basabe with more power but a bit less speed. IMO, these are the types of guys we should be targeting as secondary pieces with our best trade assets or as the primary pieces with our less valuable assets. This recent draft provided us with a ton of "baseball players" to provide depth to the system. Now's the time to sprinkle some athletes in as well. I think it would be hard to turn down a package headlined with a guy like Frazier and other pieces that had high ceilings. Expecting more than that is gambling that Q is going to rebuild his value and you can move him next year. Even then, you might not do much better than that. I'd take it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 05:27 AM) If he had more of a track record and more than 2 years of control, I'd say keep him. But if a team offers you the value of his current level of production, trade in a heartbeat. I don't think a whole lot of people would be disappointed with that. The problem is the odds of it happening are virtually non-existent.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) I already did this in another thread, but there isn't a massive shift in any area of Avi's numbers except two places - Pull % and BABIP. The pull % might lead me to believe he's picking his spots better, but instead he's swinging more, both in and out of the zone. So its hard to tell if he's for real or not. I don't think the Cards (or any other team) will give us much for him now, so it benefits Hahn to wait until the end of the season to see. If he finishes with a SLG over 500 and WAR north of 4, hell yeah, trade his ass ASAP. Teams will buy that, and it's not like he'll give us a discount to play here after 2019. Ok, so you framed this very well! Today, we can not get much for him (I don't disagree), but if we wait 3.5 months, and even with a bit of a regression, he will be worth a very solid return, why would you not take that gamble, particularly given our current situation?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:06 PM) I didn't say his RESULTS haven't stood out. But he doesn't look any different to me at the plate. And I can't even say he's swinging at less junk, because he's actually swinging at more pitches outside of the zone this year than last year, or his career average. He is, however, making contact with a LOT more of those pitches outside the zone than last year, even if he's swinging at them. So maybe this year he is turning strikeouts in to foul balls. Digging in to the numbers a bit, he has actually made a complete change in his results against fastballs. So maybe he quickened up his swing to be able to catch up to fastballs, and that's been the difference. If he finishes up the year hitting .325+ with 20+ homers and a 4+ WAR, then I'll at least buy in to trading him for a decent package, but as of now, I can't see any GM giving up a collection of talent based on 64 outlier games. Yeah, I know what you are saying, but again, 65 games isn't such a miniscule sample that you can fake your way to the results he has produced. He's been hanging ropes out for a good portion of the season. Compared to where he was coming from over the past few years, you're just being stubborn if you're telling me even just the appearance of his PAs this season isn't entirely different looking than they have been in the past. The first 2-3 weeks I'd have to do a double take and be like, wait, was that Jose or Avisail??

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) Hmm I don't know that .458 batting average against left handers that leads the league doesn't stand out to you ? How about that he's also leading the league in 3 hit games ? Any way so what kind of bet can we make about him finishing at .300 ? So interestingly enough, they did a poll in one of the games against the Orioles, I think it was Thursday's game, and as a result, Jason asked Steve where he thought Avisail would end up, in terms of batting average. While Stone is usually pretty careful about saying anything too critical of White Sox players, he said something like "If he continues to hit the ball hard to all fields, he may certainly end up around .310 or .315. So obviously Stone is aware of the BABIP and the expected regression...but it was almost the way he hesitated and then qualified his statement that made me suspect even he really doesn't know what to expect out of Avi. No question about it, we are all trying to determine just what we have on our hands here. And as I have said several times now in the last few months, I was as big of a doubter of Avisail as you could find, save maybe Eminor, but I would not be selling him off just to add some top 100 prospect at this point. I'd need something to make me say well, if I am wrong, and he continues to be a middle of the order bat all the sudden, I will feel comfortable with the pieces I received in return. I'd say the odds of that happening this summer are slim to none.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:53 PM) I haven't gotten to watch as many games this year as I have in previous years, but I don't see anything that stands out. He's top 12 in offensive fwar, and you don't think anything stands out? Are we attributing this all to his BABIP? Cmon.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) In a heartbeat. I don't believe in him at all. Fair enough, but have you been watching his PAs? I understand not being sold on THIS version of Avi, but I don't understand how you can say you "don't believe in him at all."

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) I would value him as a 2-win, replacement level player. Not a 4+ WAR All-star, and certainly not a 6+ WAR superstar. So given that fact that we are in a pretty good position from a SP standpoint, and we finally have a young position player that is producing with the bat, you'd trade him for a top 75ish prospect today? That's extremely, extremely conservative.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:36 PM) I'm willing to make bets with anyone who thinks he will finish the season over .300 batting average. He's been good, but he's not good. I refuse to believe he's anything better than an ok player. Define the bolded a bit more.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) :lol: You CAN NOT be serious. Laugh all you want, Joe. But it's June 17 and he's leading the League in hitting and is top 7 in OPS as a 26 year old. What the f*** are you trading him for a top 60 prospect? I know it's almost surreal to be having this discussion right now, but you're nuts if you do that given our current position.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 07:11 PM) Hawk might cry if Avi is traded. He won't be. Wite mentioned Abreu may be one of the least likely trade candidates in the League. I suspect Avi is even less likely.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) Gleyber might have suffered a serious arm injury today. Could make Yankees interested in Frazier Hyper-extended elbow, xrays negative.

I'll be honest, if they want Avi, as of June 17, I am starting with an ask of Alex Reyes.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 06:25 PM) Sell high. Why not? I suspect they won't get that offer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 05:39 PM) 3 good at bats for Yoan tonight What is the magic date when the Super 2 is not a consideration?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...KP8N/story.html Just cannot imagine someone making it worth our while on Avi.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) The course is extremely long but you need more than that with these guys. Justin Thomas weighs 145 pounds and made the green with 2 3 woods on 18. It's 676 yards. Yep. Need some wind.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) It's been talked about a little here, but I'm curious what type of package the Sox could get from the Nats for Robertson AND Kahnle. All the sudden it pushes everyone back in their pen, takes care of the 8th and 9th for them and really changes the entire makeup of their pen. Yeah, I mean if that is the ante to get Robles, I will be joining that poker game. Otherwise, I'd be pushing Robertson/Swarzak.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) I never said they didn't have to make a move to win post season. Go back and look. That was never the point I was trying to make. They don't have to do anything...yet. They can wait for more teams to fall out of contention and more options to be available. 10 game lead in standings...they'll wait a bit. Ugh.

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) Sox are in a tough spot with Avi Garcia. There are two sides to the spectrum. 1. Do you capitalize on his breakout season and trade him for a couple of prospects? 2. Do you hang on to him knowing that the White Sox need offense, but run the risk of the season being a fluke for him? I would trade Q and try to get the main two centerpieces to be bats. I think that is vital for the rebuild. You've got to hold onto him for awhile, even if your intent is to trade him. I don't think the League is sold on him either.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Easiest US Open ever Yeah, need some wind.