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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) This ^ Guys like Robles are simply not part of the conversation for non-legendary relief pitchers. You can make an argument that three of them are equal in value to Robles, but as mentioned before, the actual mechanics of adding three pitchers to your 25-man roster at the same time are incredibly complicated and come with additional costs, like clubhouse stability and possibly the loss of other players who are bad now but might be useful down the road. It works in video games but not in reality. Understood, but that was the question posed. We were asked to say what would we require to trade these three players. As much as this doesn't happen for the Nationals, it doesn't happen for the White Sox either. Theoretically, the Nats could include two of their s***ty relievers in the package to simplify things a bit. Either way, just as much as Q can say Robles isn't coming back, I can say you aren't getting my best 3 relievers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I just want someone to look at Derrick Holland and call him "Rusty Gold".

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) Fair. I could see Fedde, Soto, Kieboom and one more piece. But I just can't help but think the Miller and Chapman hauls we're abberations. I mean this is where I say it doesn't do the Sox any good to "bundle." We are not selling out of a junkyard on American Pickers. The only scenario wherein it makes sense for us to make this sort of deal is for quality, IMO. Quality = Robles. Basically, I am willing to overpay to meet your need in order to get back THE player I absolutely believe can fill a great need of my own. Otherwise, I'll trade you Kahnle for Soto and 2 other pieces, or Robertson for Kieboom and 2 other pieces. At least that is how I would envision it.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Thanks for all the info guys. Biggest thing I am going to change is varied workouts, and take less time between rep sets and workouts. Usually I check my phone for a couple minutes between doing stuff, and my heart rate dropping probably hurts the workout. Oh speaking of heart rate, the elliptical, after I put in my info and on "Fat Burn" category, puts my target heart rate at 123 BPM. However, I am usually going pretty fast and my heart rate is at a steady 145+, peaking around 160 sometimes. Is this alright? My heart isn't going to explode is it? lol. I'm assuming my heart rate being as high as possible will burn fat at a more rapid pace, right? No. There is such a thing as heart rate zones, wherein your body will burn different types of fuel depending on how hard your heart is having to pump blood throughout your muscles. Google heart rate zones or heart rate training. Generally, the fat burning zone is going to be zone 2, which is generally going to be 65-75% of your maximum heart rate, depending on your age, fitness level, and a number of other factors. The standard, albeit not necessarily correct method of calculating your maximum heart rate is 220 minus your age. So if you are 23, your maximum heart rate would be 197 according to this method. It is likely that it is somewhere in that area. Therefore, your ideal fat burning zone would be between 65-75% of 197. This equals a range of 128 and 148. If your heart is beating somewhere in that range you are likely burning a lot of stored fat. So the 145 you are at is probably pretty good for burning fat! If you are getting up to 160 or so, you are probably in zone 3, which is a zone where you will begin burning some readily available carbs that you ate recently. This isn't necessarily a bad thing at all, but if your goal is to lose weight, you would do best to train more in zone 2. As your heart has to work harder, your body begins to burn more carbs because it requires less oxygen than burning fat.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) Guys, Robles isn't happening without Moncada or Kopech going back Then they aren't getting the entire back end of our f***ing bullpen.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) Hypothetical: What would you ask from the Nats for Robertson, Kahnle AND Swarzak That is not a conversation that is unlikely to occur, IMO. One stop shopping! I don't even know... I mean I don't think you get Robles with any single one of those guys, but I think if Washington wants two of them even, I need to get Robles back. Beyond Robles, I would likely ask for Kieboom plus a lower level guy like Baez or something. I mean that is the type of deal that just doesn't happen because it isn't really likely that the team divesting itself of 3 nice MLB arms can recoup appropriate value from any one given team .

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 09:54 AM) I agree. Robertson and Kahnle would require multiple quality pieces coming back to the White Sox, but would hugely improve the Nats bullpen woes. Robertson and Swarzak/Kahnle could be a very attractive package. I think if you are moving Kahnle and Robertson, you need to get YOUR guy back. Not depth. You need to get a piece you believe you can plug in for years as a valuable regular.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) It's all about command/control with Kahnle. If he is keeping the ball in the strike zone, no one is really touching him. I think he's legit. I'd offer him at probably just under the Giles price and if no one bites, no one bites. Yeah, I agree. I'd even come off that price a little, but I agree that if you believe in him moving forward, the risk is worth taking to hold him absent a strong offer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) If there is anything I am perfectly willing to sell high on, it is relievers. They are so unstable from season to season. Well that is perhaps the entire argument...what IS selling high on Tommy Kahnle? I mean this is not smoke and mirrors...the guy has dominant stuff and has always been thought of that way. The question is, would he ever be able to harness it. He seems to be doing that now. If the Sox believe he can sustain it, they should hold him, absent a critical piece coming back for him. If they believe he's lucky to be sustaining this level for as long as he has, I agree - they should move him for the first reasonable offer they receive.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) If your goal is to lose weight, diet is the definitely the key. Exercise is great, but I would ditch the sit ups and hip twists, or at least cut back because there are more efficient exercises. HIIT training is supposedly scientifically proven to be the best for burning fat. You can find tons of examples of workouts online. If I'm trying to burn some belly fat, I incorporate compound movements that are using 2 or muscle groups at once. Actually, it is proven to burn the most calories, and may burn more fat (although a lesser percentage of total calories) than longer endurance type cardio, although that depends on how much, how long, etc. HIIT training is awesome, and if you can do it once every week or two, that is likely enough. During the remainder of your workout days, it is good to do lower intensity endurance-type training, perhaps 2-3 workouts per week. Definitely agree with everyone on strength training exercises and diet being a big part of the equation as well.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) Danny Mendick, who is getting pub on Cistulli's fringe 5, was in rounds 20-22, forget which one. Otherwise known as Dickman.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 08:17 AM) Kahnle has pitched 25 great innings so far. It's way too soon to declare him anything like Chapman or Giles. We really don't have any use for Kahnle the next few seasons as we are rebuilding, and I absolutely would dangle him, along with most of our roster, at the deadline. Asking 2 top 100 prospects is absurd at this point though for Kahnle straight up In regards to the bolded, I mean ultimately, from a pure competitive perspective, we have really no use for any good players during the next few seasons we are rebuilding. In fact, in terms of "use," we would be better off with absolutely horrendous players. But ANY young, cost-controlled, well-performing asset has tremendous use for us in that they become another asset that can be utilized for a window of years in which we do anticipate being competitive, hopefully something like 2020-2025 or whatever. This all depends on what you think Kahnle's potential is. If you think he can sustain, or even improve his level of performance over a period long enough to increase his value as an asset, then you allow him to continue to build value. It makes little sense to cash in on what value he has now if you truly believe his value may increase over the next 6-12 months. His value as an asset will immensely outpace the cost to us for keeping him in our bullpen.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 07:30 AM) 2 top 100 prospects for Tommy Kahnle? There is no way he would fetch that in a trade given his short track record of success. I agree, which is why it may be better to hold him and gamble that he sustains or even continues to improve.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 06:56 AM) BA's best available top 10. #38 Tanner Burns - RHP (Decatur, H.S ) #39 Brady McConnell - SS (Merritt Island, H.S.) #41 Tristan Beck - RHP (Stanford) *mentioned him since day 2. Shocked he's still on the board. That back injury must be serious* #62 Garrett Mitchell - OF (Orange Lutheran, H.S.) #69 Jake Eder - LHP (Calvary Christian Academy, Fort Lauderdale) *really like the scouting report on this kid, but he'll be a very tough signing* #73 Bryce Bonnin - RHP (Barber's Hill, H.S.) #75 Greg Jones - SS (Cary, H.S.) #76 Chris McMahon - RHP (West Chester, H.S.) #82 Daniel Cabrera - OF (Parkview Baptist, H.S.) #87 Blaine Knight - RHP (Arkansas) *ranked one spot after Luis Gonzalez And there's guys like Mace, Hurt, Drohan, Van Eyk, Campbell, Williams, etc. (Burns, Eder, McConnell, Mace, Schwarz are considered tough signings however) Ace, Are these guys , for the most part anyways, players that have signaled they aren't interested in signing?

One thing I would advise you guys is to research some kind of a program/routine which incorporates a number of different activities, rather than trying to repeat the same type of exercise or activity every time you workout. This will lead both to better results as well as a better opportunity to stick with it over the long haul. Sounds like Joe has the idea already.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 09:20 PM) The picture is sort of incomplete right now, but launch angles and line drive rates don't seem to have changed drastically. He hit 18 doubles last year and has 14 already this year, so that isn't an illusion. He's actually swinging more (especially at pitches in the strike zone) and making more contact. As far as I can tell, he isn't doing anything radically different. He's making more contact and better contact, and he's also pulling the ball more, leading to more HR power, AND he's also riding a massive BABIP wave. I believe more in the power than the BA, but again, the picture is still incomplete. The BABIP thing is so hard to wrap your mind around as a fan that watches his PAs, just because he seems to have so many PAs where he is just crushing the ball. I have noticed the increase in pulled balls, but he also seems to be hitting the ball up the middle extremely hard as well. I noticed in Tampa (I believe it was) they actually had shifted to put the 2b directly behind second base basically. Perhaps defensive shifts will bring down the BABIP? Either way, when all the numbers shake out, and the regression ultimately happens or doesn't, at least in terms of the contact he is currently making, if this is the quality of contact he will make from here on out - he will be a valuable hitter. Now, that doesn't mean the pitchers won't make further adjustments that will cause the quality of that contact to decrease, but...

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 08:46 PM) So on the weekly Tesla podcast I listen to, someone called in and voiced concerns about how fast the tires wear. According to the host Ryan McCaffrey, the 22" wheels on the Model X apparently only last around 15,000 miles. But his cousin's Model S on 19" wheels last about 30,000 miles. And not only will my M3 be only 18", but also weighs less than the Model S. So maybe you're talking 40,000 at that point. With how few miles I drive a year, that could last me 4-5 years. So I'm not worried about it for my circumstances. I'm assuming they aren't going to look to sell a $40k vehicle that requires an outlay of $2k a year or whatever in tire expenses.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 05:21 AM) Their might be a team that takes him today in the later rounds since their won't be a pick value. And if they don't, my guess is he will be signed as an undrafted FA at some point when some of the dust settles. Some team will give him a chance.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) Kahnle should definitely be on the market this deadline. I have no idea whether a team will bite on what should be a fairly steep price, but it's definitely worth finding out. Yeah, he may be a guy you have to hold on to in order to justify the return...which we can live with, if necessary.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 08:46 PM) There are attempts to do this very thing, although I can imagine the border between Hard and Medium contact is sort of fuzzy and ill defined. Based on the Fangraphs page, two major trends for Avi this year: 1. He is making less weak contact and more "medium" contact. Hard hit % is about the same. 2. His pull rate is way up, 47% this year (from 37% last year) Based on this, I would expect the BABIP to regress, but it's entirely possible that the power breakout is real. If Avi is a 30 HR guy now, that would still make him valuable, even with a BA around .270 Help me understand the doubles though. I'm going purely off of my own eyes here, but it seems like he's getting a s***load more XBH, not just home runs.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) Robertson, Kahnle, Swarzak and Beck would all be upgrades for the Nats. Hell, I would give them 2 of the first 3 and 3 of the 4 if the package was right.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) machado looks to be going thru the motions I think he's thoroughly frustrated. His timing is just all over the place.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) For those that are watching a lot, why is Moncada striking out so much? Early on, he was taking a lot of strikes This last PA, that was not the case. He took 3 balls off the plate, then took a strike, then fouled a pitch off, then swung through strike 3. All of the strikes seemed to be waist high and outer part of the plate....pitches he should be able to square up and take the opposite way.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 13, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) Avi Garcia hitting .340 on 6/13/17 has to be one of the strangest things I've seen in 20+ years of baseball. Well, especially with more than 14 PAs

Avi does it again