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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 25, 2009 -> 09:58 AM) I'd like to see them let Contreras, Dye, Thome, and Jenks all walk next year. 2010 is time to start reshaping this group. Jenks? 1.) He isn't a FA 2.) If Jenks isn't with the team, it's because we traded him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 24, 2009 -> 03:29 PM) Nix is a good option for a utility guy. Probably nothing more though, from everything I have seen. He's got a better shot at becoming a decent every-day player than Fields does.

I'd love to get Sherrill and his pair shaped body, but the asking price seems like it would by way too much.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) If this guy is "Brutal at 3rd", then doesn't that give the A's 2 1bmen? Him and Chris Carter? Designated Hitter.... and I've only seen a little of him, but Chris Carter will likely have to move to DH. And I think he'll be a bust anyway.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 24, 2009 -> 09:35 PM) I've been saying similar. He might only be Chad Bradford, but there's nothing wrong with that. If so, lets hope by that time Ozzie has learned how to use ROOGY's and LOOGY's.

Does any team in baseball have worse late inning situational hitting then us? Our situational hitting is bad, but if we gets runners in scoring position in the 7th inning or later, you can pretty much guarantee we won't be driving those runs in.

Josh Anderson would be a very good upgrade over Wise. Anderson is solid defensively, is probably faster, is a better base stealer, and a better hitter (although it's not tough to be a better hitter than Wise). Thanks for that catch Wise, but it'll be a shame if he gets a free pass for the rest of the year because of it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) Cardinals lineup is very impressive now. They just need to find a replacement for Wellemeyer. I honestly believe the 4 playoff teams from the NL will be the Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, and Cardinals I think San Fran has the edge for the WC. I think the only team from the central that will make the playoffs will have to win the division. And if they do get 1 more pitcher, they could make themselves NL favorites. The NL playoffs should be very fun, especially if Philly gets Halladay.

Hope we let Hudson at least attempt the CG. The best stat of the night, through 8 IP, Hudson has only thrown 82 pitches. That's awesome.

I say it's a good trade for both teams IF the cards win the WS or sign Holliday in the offseason.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) So I can name many, many times where teams have had 5+ run rallies in the 9th inning without bunting to start it off, but you can't name any that started with a bunt, yet I am supposed to believe there is a significant enough chance of it happening to go against 110 years of baseball tradition. I'd really prefer you get out of the hypothetical, and give me some real evidence before I go discarding baseball's great history. Yep. In the 110 years of baseball and god only knows how many games there have been, there has never been a rally in the 9th started by a bunt. Please list all the rallies to comeback and win a game in the bottom of the 9th you know of that started off with a swinging hit.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:24 PM) It hurts your argument when you have to argue semantics. Does your definition vs. my definition of "tradition" really have anything to do with this? Well you certainly brought it up, don't blame me.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:19 PM) You think? Some in here hate the guy for wanting to play baseball...you can't hate him for that and even though he isn't the most talented guy around I always root him to contribute to our team,some even seem to want him to fail in here...you know who you are,haters. He's a bad baseball player. I don't hate him, but I don't want to see him in a White Sox uni for much longer. Also, no one wants to seem him fail, but people have come to expect him to fail, because guess what, he's a bad baseball player. I'm glad he made that catch today, and I give him a big thumbs up. But, other than that, he was just the right player at the right time.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:16 PM) I will do that, but tomorrow afternoon, go outside and tell me what color the sky is. How am I going to "show" you something like that? It's practically common knowledge. Type "bunt no hitter" into Google if you really want to find something. It still doesn't mean it's tradition. Tradition is like the 7th inning stretch, a curtain call after a huge home run, standing ovation for a pitcher after he has a great outing, etc., etc., etc. Not bunting to help a pitcher keep his no-no or PG isn't tradition. That's not how you play the game. You do what will help you and your team. Not what will make the other team and fans happy.

QUOTE (Stocking @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:10 PM) i really don't understand the logic that it is laying down by trying to swing for a hit. It's laying down by taking away an aspect of the game because you don't want to be "bush league."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:04 PM) So when is the last time a team generated 5 runs or more in the 9th inning starting with a bunt hit? I don't know, but this is baseball. Anything can happen. And I'm sure something similar has happened in the past. You get a bunt base hit, it carries over to the next batter he gets a hit, and a flury of hits come. In fact, Ozzie said in post game, after he saw that hit by Kapler, he was ready to call the bullpen to get Pena warmed. Lets say Kapler got a bunt single and Buehrle gets knocked out of his zone a bit. Then the next batter gets a dork snort or something. Ozzie then calls in Pena, and bam, the Rays offense wakes up. Anything can happen.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) It isn't an written rule, but most people believe it's unwritten. A-Rod got blasted for yelling at a 3B (or was it a SS?) on a popout and he dropped it. ARod's play was considered bush league/not playing the game right, etc.. Theres those unwritten rules in the game that people old and young respect, especially when you play it. Stuff like that just isn't right, but people have different opinions on the matter. It happens. That wasn't a bush league play. That was smart, aggressive baseball. He didn't break the rules and he helped his team.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) Playing to win, and being cheap are two different things. Being respectful of tradition while still playing hard and laying down and quitting are also two different things. tradition? What does tradition have to do with anything? Please show me the baseball tradition of not bunting late in games if the opposing pitcher has a PG or no-no. If you ain't breaking the rules, I got no problem with it. Look at Pierzynski, I guarantee you he would be a player to lay down a bunt late in a game vs. a pitcher who has a no-no or PG. That is one of the reasons why I like AJ. He doesn't break the rules, but he'll do everything in his power to help the team, whether it be ruining a PG, no-no, or shutout, or being heads up and running to 1st on a questionable dropped 3rd strike, or completely taking out a 2nd baseman on a DP, he does what he's gotta do. Some people call him "bush league." I call him a smart and hard-nosed baseball player who doesn't care about the other teams feelings.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:56 PM) At least for me, it's not about laying down, or giving the opposition an advantage. The way I look at it is this. If Tampa was down 5-0 in the 8th, but had 5 hits scattered through the game, would they be laying down bunts trying to get on base any way possible during the last 6 outs? If the answer is no, I see no reason why they should be if they are getting no hit. The point is still to win the game, not to break up somones no-hitter. You just answered your own question. The Rays didn't have 5 hits. Buehrle was baffling them all day. Because they had so much trouble getting a hit off of Buehrle, they could have tried other means, such as a bunt. Really, laying down a bunt late in the game is just a smart baseball move in that situation. You give yourself a chance by putting the ball in play, and maybe even get the pitcher out of his comfort zone by making him run over and field the ball. Also, I never understood why hitters never do lay down bunts or step out of the box when Buerhle and other pitchers are in the zone and have great rythem. You gotta do anything to get the pitcher out of his zone.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) So at what point is it too late to bunt in a game to break up a no-hitter or a perfect game? How many runs behind would be classified as too many? Everth cabrera very recently bunted while down 8 runs with 2 outs in the 9th inning when sanchez threw hit no-hitter. This sort of this happens way more than people think. A simple fact is players pride is on the line. First off, no one wants to lose. Secondly, no one wants to get no-hit or have a perfect game thrown against them while doing so. Practically i'm hearing the opposing team of whoever is throwing the no-hitter/perfect game should just lay down, for the sake of history possibly being made. If any player goes up to the plate, under practically any circumstance (rain is approaching, team has the lead, they want to make the game official, hack away) without the intention of getting on base anyway within that given players abilities, i have lost all respect. You never lay down for anyone. Agreed. Also, the reason why they were down makes even more sense for a bunt. 5 runs isn't a huge lead that is impossible to come over. Baseball is a funny game and you can get the first 26 out and then struggle to close it down. Being down 5-0, you need baserunners, not home runs. I got a question. If the Rays did bunt with 2 outs in the 9th, and got a hit with it, and then strung together several more hits, and eventually got the lead, would that still be "bush league." No matter what the circumstances are, you never give up and you try everything and anything. Whether it be breaking up the PG, no-no, shutout, or CG, you try and do it. Like you said, your pride is on the line. Baseball is the only game where that game isn't over because of a time limit. In football or basketball your down by 40 points with a minute and a half left in the game, you're f***ed. In baseball, you can be down by 10 heading into the 9th and have all the time you want to make a great comeback. It's unlikely, but there's always a chance in baseball. As Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game. If a bunt helps you make a comeback, you do it. You don't lay down for a PG or no-no.

Mabee has been lights out. FutreSox, get cracking and get us an interview with him!

Lambo would take a lot to get.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:54 PM) Speaking for someone who has played the game (many here as well), been drafted (fun fact), had a coach who used to play in the minors (up to AA I think?) and knows the game very well, played against other players in the minors now (and just know a couple) and knows alittle the bush league rules, I also have to agree with Stocking and Lost. Really? What round, year, and team?

We are now tied for first place in the central! This weekend against the tigers should be a fun one.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:54 PM) Two years ago he was a 26 year old prospect who lead the Southern League in OPS... a CF with light-tower power who absolutely toyed with Southern League pitching... at a time we were dying to get someone who could both play the position and hit. So, that should provide some perspective as to why people developed some attachment to him... and wonder why the organization hasn't given him more than a token look. Seems like he should have had a more serious shot at AAA for a full year, IMO, rather than getting yo-yo'd between levels. I'm sorry, but big whoop. Obviously there are more reasons behind this, and with us still lacking prospects, you'd think we'd be trying to push someone like Cook in AAA. The reason why we aren't pushing him should be a pretty big indication that he isn't much of a prospect.