Texsox

Thank you for all the effort and being a part of something I accepted would never happen in my lifetime, a World Series Championship. Enjoy the trip to sunny California.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 01:12 PM) I'm not disagreeing that the wall would be a big waste. I just don't understand your basis for assuming that all this business would be lost. In my mind, there's been enough extremist debate about this (where a large and loud section of the US has stood firm on its position to shoot every illegal down if they try and cross) that any potential immigrant or tourist already has enough "ammo" to decide whether to continue to shop or vacation here. I don't see how making the actions physical would make it worse. Right or wrong, Mexican nationals see the wall as an insult. The projected impact is very troubling to say the least. I see interviews on TV, hear them on radio, and see them in print. But no one is talking about that on the national level. It's as if we don't matter at all. It is rare to find any elected official on the border in support of the wall. Tourism is this area's #1 industry. The wall may directly hurt our ecotourism by blocking access to very desirable areas near the river. It may hurt our International Tourism. It makes the area seem dangerous. In no way does it help.

We have to take care of our financial ship. Not tying their hands tells me these candidates will not dismiss a choice in advance without knowing the situation.

I object to Garland as being mediocre. I wish I could find a link, but it is not like half the pitchers have winning and half have losing records. IIRC less than 33% of mlb starting pitchers have career winning records. I wish I could find the number.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071117/D8SVCDSG2.html

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:14 AM) Tread The Floods - Trivium Flood - Jars of Clay

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 12:05 PM) Uribe can play 3B, SS and 2B and hit with power. He is a somewhat ideal, though very expensive utility option. Expensive is relative to the rest of the payroll. But you are right.

If you think there will only be minor economic damage, you really have no idea about border life. Read some of the clips I posted. Holy Week, Christmas, etc. are huge down here. Miller International Airport has a waiting list some days, especially around back to school, for private airplane hanger space. Again, when people see Mexicans, how do they know if they are legal or illegal? When a restaurant in Philly can receive international coverage for only serving English speaking patrons, that is what foreign tourist read. It's about marketing on some of this stuff. The wall is a colossal blunder on our part. It hurts our, US, American businesses. Harms the environment, and will not solve the problem it is set out to do.

Kenny wakes up with a terrible hangover, reads the newspaper and screams "Wrong Cabrera! I wanted Miguel"

QUOTE(dmbjeff @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) It's too bad KW couldn't have just thrown Uribe in on the deal and we take back some over priced useless guy of their's. Sadly, that may be what the cash is for, to pay our now utility infielder.

QUOTE(dmbjeff @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:29 AM) I'm also very suprised so many people here are dissing the deal. I think OCab, as he will now be known around here, is a good player and a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Uribe. Uribe moving back to his original role in 2004 of Utility INF might be best for him. I hope they can trade him somehow though and get that 4.5 million off the books, but I'm not sure how quickly you can trade guys who you just resigned. There have been deals contingent on guys signing a new contract, so I imagine there isn't a rule. But I'm just speculating.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:28 AM) I know it. But even in a win-win, someone is giving money to someone else, and someone if making money on that price. It may be a win-win overall, but overall, im making money. Right, but if you are always lying and cheating people, how long will you be in business? If you are dealing with soemone who has screwed over three other people in your position, how will you treat that person? What if the person has never screwed over someone and you could trust him?

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) Same here. A nice upgrade at SS. And if we do sign Hunter, much stronger defensively up the middle. Up the middle includes the guy who is most in the middle, the pitcher. I agree in principle, up the middle is the most important and this is an upgrade 132 games per year.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:25 AM) Yes you shouldnt knowingly f*** someone over, thats basic business ethics. But also everyone is out to make good for themselves over everyone else. You'll see for yourself if you ever go into the business world. Repeat business can still be achieved while winning a deal. There is a difference between winning a deal and f***ing someone over. Be in business for 25 years and you will see it for yourself. There is this animal called a win-win.

If there is more than $1,000,000. trading hands, the commissioner will have to approve. Which he will

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) Its business, ethics really dont play a huge part, you are supposed to not be retarded and do your homework. It still didnt stop Jon from being a horse though, and now our pen better be extremely good, because they are going to get alot of work this year with unproven guys in the rotation. IIRC, mlb has specific rules regarding reporting a player's physical condition. Plus, as noted, it's a small world and if you screw a couple teams, other teams will stop dealing with you.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) The Tribune says the Halos are throwing in some cash. CASH!!!! Then we did win.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:51 AM) Blue Monday - New Order I Don't Like Mondays - Boom Town Rats

And Jenks, the other reason they shop here, is we kiss their asses with marketing campaigns. We'd rather they spend those hundreds of millions here than San Antonio or other locations. A large share of a store's advertising budget is spent in Mexico. We also need to lure them away from Mexico businesses.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) Keep calling people like us racist if you like, that's fine. I don't expect anything more. Just don't expect us to stand by and be happy about anarchy in our country. I am not calling anyone racists. The focus of dialog in the US has been the problems that Mexicans has inflicted on the US. There have been protests, the Minutemen have been around the border. Very little pro-Mexico support out there. And all this is necessary, we have to address the issues. But that clearly is an anti-Mexico sentiment. Much of the focus on Mexico has all been negative. I am sorry if it appears I am labeling someone a racists. I believe it is very possible to believe a wall is desirable and not be racists. Those labels make any sort of sane discussion impossible and too emotionally charged. Would it be better if I used something like all the news about Mexico has been negative in the US?

Noooooooooooooooo

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:46 AM) Love Song - Tesla No bonus points, Kid! Song Sung Blue - Neil Diamond

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:42 AM) Love Song - The Damned ***do I get double points??? Song of the South - John Anderson - Seminole Wind

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:28 AM) Where else are they going to shop? Are they going to travel a thousand miles to the south? They have no other option. They shop here for a reason - they get the best price on the goods the want/need. You think they shop in the US because they like us more? If they can buy what they want in their own country, why do they make a trek across the border? Vacations. Nice trip. Cuba is also a very popular destination as is the the Caribbean and other cities in Mexico. Why do suburbanites head to State Street at Christmas? Because they have to? Because they like you more? They could go to Woodfield. If they can buy what they want in Schaumburg, why do they drive to Chicago? Although city folks shopping in suburban malls may encounter some problems

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) "could see a similar downturn" And they also could not. They would shop in Mexico. They would stay there." If the goods they wanted/needed were available there for a price they wanted to pay, they would have stayed there to begin with. "Any kind of fence that would interfere with that access is a real problem," McClung said. " So we have Mexicans coming into America to get water, or Americans going in to Mexico to get water? What is it? Wold the wall prevent Americans from getting access to the river, and which country is the river in anyway? (just a question, a real question, not snark) Generally, the river is split between the two. I really interesting situation is occurring in areas with oxbows forming. Some areas, as the oxbow pinches off, create places where a section of land is on the "wrong" side of the river. Perhaps more than you want to know, but fascinating to some. Prior to this, you would suddenly be owning land in Mexico or the US when the river changed courses. We have all our irrigation and drinking water coming from the river, both sides. Water rights is a huge issue here. Which country can pump out how much is carefully regulated through a series of treaties. Levels in the reservoirs in Mexico and the US are measured and verified to be certain both countries are sending their share into the Rio Grande. Presently Mexico is "in debt" several trillion acre feet of water. It's been raining on the US side more than the Mexico side. Both countries send over satellites to measure the reservoirs. All the pumps, inlets. etc. are in and near the river. The fence, as proposed, is being built away from the river, on part of the levee system, so it can be patrolled. Most of the land between the fence and the river is agriculture. The workers will need to get to that land and back. Necessitating gates of some kind or buying all the best farmland and putting those growers out of business. The fence isn't going through some wilderness areas. It is going through people's homes and businesses. Imagine if you suddenly could not get to 2/3rds of your business without going through a security checkpoint.