Texsox

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) When Boras lies about what a team offers his players to another team is this him being a good agent to get his player the better deal or is it unethical? Because of the threat of collusion the owners can't discuss thier offers. He can essentially have teams bid against themselves as he did with Alex Rodriguez and Texas. Again, if the team doesn't want to spend that much, they don't have to. A GM could just as easy say, "Wow, the Cardinals are offering that? Congratulations, that seems like a great deal for your player". What is Boras going to do when they walk away? Oh wait, maybe we're the only ones that have figured out that Boras may be lying about the comp offers, and the other GMs are stupid?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) In a snow cave, water is no problem. The water may not be clean, but it would take many days before that took effect anyway (Giardiasis and its cousins have a 7-10 day gestation period). Well Tex, somehow, we again ended up with our own thread about the outdoors. I would think they need a stove to melt enough snow. And hopefully it's a whitegas stove, I've known container stoves to balk in low temps and high elevations. No to the AT.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) I'll put it bluntly. It's the mark of the beast. I will never voluntarily allow that to happen to me. I'll die first. Period. What if the joke is on us? With cameras on every street corner (to keep us safe) and facial recognition software that tracks you, and everyone's face on their driver's license, you are already marked. Could all this security be satan's way of welcoming us all into hell?

In the past 50 years, the first place crazy dictators take over is the media. They head to the radio station, the tv station, and the newspapers.

A market is established when someone is willing to pay that price. Whatever we are earning today is probably greater than what someone else was doing that job fifteen years ago. Boras can ask all he wants and there is no harm. He can call Crede the greatest third baseman of all time, worth hundreds of millions, and nothing happens. Everything happens when someone agrees and makes the offer. You guys act like everyone is powerless over Boras. If he walked into the room, everyone would just empty your pockets and give him money. QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) The point is not if he did/didnt ask them to pay him less... the point is that he went with a company that he feels is an overall better company, able to fit his long/short term goals and gives him and his family the stability and room for growth vs taking a company just based on the money they offer.(fyi, i dont know him just assuming). I have been in this position many times in my career and have been burnt before. I left a good stable company for another company who offered me more money, that company went bankrupt within 1 year of my employment. Is someone really going to argue that there is a chance any MLB would go out of business? That there is a difference in working for the Reds, Padres, or Pirates? Every free agent should be crying they didn't accept any contract that St. Louis offered them if winning a World Series ring would be the #1 criteria.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) There is a difference Tex. Now obviously I will NEVER be in the situation some of these ballplayers are in, but knowing myself, I would rather take the 5/50 million dollar deal with the Sox than the 5/60 million with the Devil Rays or Royals. It would be insanely difficult to turn down 10 million dollars, but being happy has alot to do with it. Now when you sign with Boras, whether or not its right to stereotype, I look at those players as ones that don't care where they go, and want the $$. I don't hold it against the player, but when I hear about a player that has Boras as his agent, it's obvious they don't care if they go to the Yankees or the Orioles, because the money is just as green. But you are a Sox fan. Would you be saying that if you grew up in California? If you are a soft drink marketing guy and as a kid drank Coke, would you work for Coke for less than Pepsi, because you are a fan? It's not like a player has free will in this. I love South Texas, if I was a ballplayer, I couldn't choose to work in South Texas. How many players get a chance to work in their hometowns? They are drafted, traded around, and most never achieve the level of success that allows for them to make that choice. And teams aren't any more loyal. Frank demonstrated over and over again a willingness to stay with the Sox. Now he's on his third team in three years. I will also say it's better for baseball that players compete in the boardroom as well as on the field. How would baseball look if players wanted so bad to wear Yankee pinstripes that they would play there for less? That they valued winning so much that they would congregate on one team for much less? But my main point is blame Boras all you want, but it is misdirected. He can ask all he wants, it takes someone to write the check. I blame the owners. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) Two different companies. One offered me a good deal more money, and I turned them down for the smaller paycheck, and better company. But did you tell them to offer you less? That's the point. The company made you an offer. Would you have told them to pay you less so they could increase marketshare? Hire more/better employees? Make more corporate profits?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) Am I a liar? I turned down another company, with a higher salary, to take the job I have now, because the other company (for lack of a longer explanation) sucked. We're talking the same position with players. There really isn't much of a difference between the Padres, Reds, and Marlins. And I should be clearer. Did the company make you an offer? Did you tell them, oh no, pay me less?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:23 PM) If that's the case, then I'll be a liberal-pussy. I won't be chipped. I'm guessing it will be easier to convince younger people who trust technology more than the ex-hippies and baby boomers. If we trust the government to put citizens to death, what's a simple little chip?

If it keeps us safe from terrorists we'll be lining up and calling anyone that is against the policy a liberal-p***y, anti-American, and probably a terrorist. It will be so easy to convince the public it's the right thing to do.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) Well, it's almost Christmas vacation time. And I am completely unmotivated. Anyone have any good ideas to keep motivated? Hello??! Almost Christmas VACATION! Are you going to be missing work and school? VACATION!

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) There is definitely some difference in what people consider "survival gear". To me, in that situation: sleeping bag, heat source, FA kit, and maybe food. On the food thing, yeah they can go a few days, but they need the energy to get out. And unless they have the training for it, they would struggle to find much food on Hood in December. bag/stove/food ration/map/compass/sunglasses/lip balm etc. seem like basic equipment to me. I wouldn't plan on finding any food on Hood. But at this point, survival is probably hunkering down in a snow cave, make yourself "big" and wait for a rescuer. They wouldn't need food for that. It takes water to digest the food and that could be a problem.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:38 PM) Texsox, I really really hope you are right and I wrong. But, as of today, I don't see it. Ultimately you will be correct, history has shown us that no civilization will last forever. What our downfall will be is open to debate. The kind that you envision seems far away. Mine is we continue to borrow billions and eventually we choke on our debt. The most recent example was the USSR. They spent themselves into oblivion.

IIRC it was the theory of instead of hitting them hard with a sledge hammer, brush them 200 times with a feather. It seemed erotic then, and still does.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:45 PM) I cannot see how doing Hood's hardest ascent in winter, without overnight winter camping gear and some emergency food and equipment at the least, does not fall under the stupid decision category. I didn't read where they didn't have overnight gear, just that they didn't have "survival gear" which could mean a 15 pound First Aid kit, flashlights, and a portable radio. If they don't have sleeping bags, a stove, etc. then they did make a mistake that will likely cost them their lives. Light and fast usually means they didn't bring the North Face VE-25, giant propane stoves, satellite phones, MP3 players, and three Sherpas. Packs with some down mumy bags and a stove would be huge help right now. I won't bust you on them needing food. They can go weeks without food. But not having someway to heat up snow so they have water to drink will mess them up.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) These guys are in trouble because of a series of poor decisions. They decided to do Hood, which is a very difficult climb, chose the hardest possible route, did it in winter well off-season, and didn't carry survival gear. That is what doomed them - not the performance of the gear they brought. This is true, in my experience as well. It depends on what people are calling survival gear. Remember that term is often misused. From what I've read, winter climbs on Hood are not uncommon but definitely for the serious climbers only. I haven't read anything about these guys and their experience. I can't believe some novices attempted this, if that is the case, then it was a disaster waiting to happen.

YASNY, Reading between the lines, I agree that as a nation we would be better off if religious attendance was a part of every life. We'll disagree when I say I respect that it can be the God of their choice. In the days after 9/11 Americans turned to Churches in huge numbers. I don't believe things are as bleak as you portray and I certainly don't doubt the resolve of the American people in the face of terrorists and evil.

QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) Either way Boras is a jagoff! From what I have been reading he is the reason there is stalling in the BoSox contract talks. He is looking to assist Matsuzaka in buying out his option with the Japan leauge and bring him to free agency (which the league has now shot down). If you want to point fingers on the rising price of FAs and players in general... he would be a good start! They play a game many of us played when we were younger, god how much i would love to have the talent they do to play a game for 162 games a year! The Amazing Boras. Anyone that looks into his eyes immediatly loses all control and starts throwing money around. All Boras has to do is ask for $100,000,000 and teams will rush to see who can pay it. Too bad we can't send him around the world to solve all the worlds problems. Boras attracts the best talent and the best talent signs the biggest contracts. Anyone here who thinks they would sign for less and turn down more money is lying. QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) To add on to that, no one forces the PLAYERS to sign on with Boras. The players are just as money hungry. You don't chose Scott Boras as your agent to stay with your "home team" When a player picks Boras to represent them, they pretty much have 1 thing in mind. $$$. Players are competitive. Would you take your job for less than the guy in the next cubicle, especially if you are better at it? Every player I've ever known, knew where he ranked in salaries. It's as much a competition as on the field.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:46 PM) Fun Facts from a Feature I just Figured Out... (oooh consenance!) Who posted in: Catch-All Anything Thread Poster Posts Texsox 646 -Our Catch-All King Soxy 422 FlaSoxxJim 326 DBAH0 266 Rex Kickass 231 SnB 231 southsider2k5 222 Queen Prawn 219 Steff 206 Heads22 205 LosMediasBlancas 175 Kalapse 121 Kid Gleason 116 Gene Honda Civic 114 Rowand44 112 whitesoxin' 93 greasywheels121 91 The Critic 78 kapkomet 77 sox4lifeinPA 75 SoxFan1 74 WHarris1 69 Brian 68 Balta1701 62 SleepyWhiteSox 55 qwerty 52 YASNY 52 Tony82087 51 Mercy! 51 Chisoxfn 45 AddisonStSox 39 IlliniKrush 38 Mplssoxfan 32 Flash Tizzle 30 witesoxfan 23 Goldmember 22 3E8 21 BigSqwert 18 KipWellsFan 15 kyyle23 14 Middle Buffalo 14 Yoda 13 Chisoxmatt 13 DePloderer 11 ScottPodRulez22 11 santo=dorf 11 Czarina 10 AssHatSoxFan 10 BDavisFutureHOF 9 Gregory Pratt 9 DonkeyKongerko 8 Mr. Showtime 8 knightni 7 Murph 7 EvilMonkey 6 SoxAce 6 GASHWOUND 6 southsideirish71 5 Balance 5 the southside tiger 5 Tmar28 5 Chisoxrd5 5 dasox24 4 HighHeat45 4 SSH2005 4 CWSGuy406 4 RockRaines 4 3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 4 redandwhite 4 maggliopipe 4 Jake 3 Buehrle>Wood 3 mr_genius 3 Steve Bartman's my idol 3 LowerCaseRepublican 3 RibbieRubarb 3 rangercal 3 mreye 3 Leonard Zelig 3 NUKE_CLEVELAND 2 max power 2 Divorceki 2 Ishmookie 2 da_bears86 2 Random 2 Capn12 2 whitesox247 2 Rex Hudler 2 tonyho7476 1 TheBlackSox8 1 beautox 1 ChWRoCk2 1 WilliamTell 1 Dick Allen 1 SouthsideNorthsideFan 1 farmteam 1 hammerhead johnson 1 whitesoxfan101 1 BobDylan 1 PoohIss 1 sti3 1 MurcieOne 1 chimpy2121 1 sayitaintso 1 smalls2598 1 Dan 1 iWiN4PreP 1 Spiff 1 Wong & Owens 1 Felix 1 OilCan 1 The Ginger Kid 1 rventura23 1 maggsmaggs 1 Crullrl 1 robinventura23 1 I look at the bottom and think how could Hammerhead and BobDylan, both SL&M regulars have only 1 post each? Even Nuke stays out of here. BERLIN, Dec 12 (Reuters Life!) - German shoppers sprang to the help of a shoplifter who was being detained after trying to steal clothes at a department store, wrongly assuming she was being attacked by strangers, police said on Tuesday. Two store detectives caught a woman in her mid-30s stealing garments in the city of Mainz near Frankfurt and attempted to detain her for questioning, police said. But the woman tried to free herself, and bit, kicked and hit the detectives who wrestled her down in a skirmish, prompting passers-by worried about her safety to help her. "They hauled the detectives away from her ... The woman managed to run away," Mainz police said in a statement.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) Why didn't faith keep us from the Civil War? Or the poverty in 1930s? Or the introduction of Birth Control (well before the 1960s)? And I can assure you abortions have been happening long before Roe vs Wade. Where was our faith when we were interring the Japanese in the Second world war? Or during all the lynchings during the reconstruction? Where was faith during the Jim Crow laws? Or when child labor was allowed? Or in the rampant discrimination of immigrants in the 19th and early 20th century? Where were our values when we exterminated the Indians? We're just more aware of all the crap stuff that happens now because that is what sells papers. well said.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) it better not be just ANY sandwhich.... there can only be ONE: THE GRILLED CHEESE Of course with a couple chips and a pickle. I skipped the glass of milk.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:36 PM) It's happening right before your eyes and you can't see it. A cleaner environment, better access to schools, equality for all races and creeds, safer workplaces, better public health, universal immunizations (for example), better living for the aged, it isn't all bleak YAS.

Just to relive some childhood memories, I cranked the a/c down to 60, stood in a bucket of ice water for fifteen minutes, then made some nice hot tomato soup and a sandwich.

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) Fine, thanks. Been on here all the time, just not posting much. I've been doing a bunch of work that requires internet research and being on the computer so I have a chance to post a little. Is it getting cold up your way?

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) O.K., are we getting all technical here...or are you actually Indian? I've been told that "Indians" actually prefer being called "Indian" and actually are more offended by "Native American". I was told this by Owl Goingback, who is a great author. He's Russian. LOL, I was getting technical. I was born in Chicago of German ancestory. But I believe that makes me a native American.

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:59 AM) Made sense to me. Yet another chick singer in that same English folk/rock vein that nobody knows about but should was Polly Bolton with Dando Shaft. I like to kid Jim, at his age I think he just starts making up names and stuff. Now we know we have two people with the same dillusions How have you been Ed?