Texsox

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 10:55 PM) Check your atlas. Toronto is located north of the border. It must suck to be geographically challenged. I think it was a weak attempt at Candians humor.

One of the salespeople that worked for me bought three consecutive cars from the major rental places. She felt the strict maintenance schedules kept out weighed the "screw it it's a rental car". Plus she was usually getting higher end luxury cars and those drivers tended to be older and less likely to abuse a car.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 11:05 PM) Toni Basil - Hey Mikey coming out their PA?

If we are going to add sex appeal into this then where is the love for Olivia Newton-John? Let's Get Physical

QUOTE(NUKE @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) More like a devastating body blow to those who feel that coddling terrorists and bending over back asswards for people who want to kill us will somehow make them be nice to us. I didn't realize they had been found guilty of terrorism. For some reason I thought that had not been determined, that they had been arrested, but not tried. I take back what I said. Since innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of our judicial system, and we are trying to show the world a better way, I can't believe we would just lock them up without finding them guilty in a fair trial. I feel better now knowing they are indeed guilty of being a terrorist. It would have been so hypocritical of us to just lock someone up without any trial. That would seem more like something Hussein would have done in Iraq, and probably torture them as well. Thank God we're a better country than that.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) definately. The company was knowingly enganging in illegal practices. at the very least the should face substantial fines. i don't buy this "well, i didn't know 40% of my employees were illegal" bs. The company was working with the government in a pilot program. The company has employees that provided social security cards. The company had no way of knowing those numbers were being used by others as well. The government knew the numbers were being used in multiple locations but will not tell the employer. The government will not tell them there is a problem. The one entity that knows immediately (IRS/Social Security) there is a problem with the numbers will not tell anyone. How can you then blame the employer? Now you think that they should be fined by the same government that wouldn't provide the information that would have allowed them to fire the person immediately? Again I ask. What is your company doing to prevent this besides the same minimum requirements that Swift appeared to have followed? What did your company do to prove that that really is your social security card? The law requires providing a couple forms of ID. If someone forges these documents, and the documents are good forgeries, how can you blame the company for falling victim? If someone hands you a forged $20 bill, should you be fined as well?

We tell the world to look to us for justice and a shining example of rights of individuals, etc. Somehow I feel we are being hypocrites when we don't live up to that.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) So Tex, I guess you're cool with one of these illegals using your SS# to get a meat packing job? No, but if a 45 year old 6'1" white guy that looks like me uses it to get a job, I won't blame the company that hired him.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 06:05 PM) they'll be 4 brackets of 8.... I'll need help with genres but I imagine that Pop, Rock, Folk/Country would amongst the 4. thoughts? where would you put Amy Grant and Koko Taylor? Etta James? Bessie Smith? Janis Joplin? Oops and you really need to include Denyce Graves. Geek alert I know, but if you ever hear her as Carmen, it is like heaven opened the gates. She is beautiful and an incredible talent. But it's opera and no one here really enjoys the craft.

Couple of key points mentioned in the article Amazing

Yet a muscle bond first baseman who tears a bicep around the same time is viewed as clean as a whistle around here. But then, he's "our guy". And I am not accusing him, just pointing out that judgments get clouded by the color of a guy's uniform.

Wow Boras' supernatural powers don't work in Japan. Must just be stupid American GMs. Yet, many will still blame Boras when some GM makes an incredibly stupid decision on one of his players.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) It makes sense because that Senator is a representative of South Dakota first, and his party second. And the Governor is the highest representative of the state. So, despite that it may cause a stir in the Senate, I happen to agree with the policy. So the Governor picks someone from the same party as the person being replaced. I am certain there are great Dems and Reps in every state. Then the odds are better the replacement would have closer views than someone from the other party. And the will of the people should trump.

QUOTE(NUKE @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 04:45 PM) Well if that is in fact true then I see your point. Guess we'll leave it up to the investigators to find out exactly what happened there. The law prevents employers (and consumers) from being notified if the social is being used in multiple places. I am trying to figure out who this benefits besides the identity thief. If the employee provided the legally required documents, and they weren't cut out of a cracker jack box, I have a hard time accessing a $65,000,000 fine. Or $65,000 for that matter. There are a lot of issues here and no easy solutions, but one step is the IRS and Social Security to start monitoring these things and catching them before ten years has gone by. (article 2) QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) And then we would all turn gay! When Johnny comes marching home!

Are you trying to limit the genre? Comparing anything from the Pretenders with Karen Carpenter or Lena Horn (BTW you are including Koko Taylor aren't you?) just seems wrong.

yeah, yeah, of course we are concerned for his health, now let's talk politics. When this comes up, and it goes either way, it seems that the replacement should be from the same party. It has never made sense to me the fairness of a Dem picking a Dem to replace a GOP and vice versa.

QUOTE(NUKE @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) Come on Tex. 40% of the workforce?! I could see if it was a few people but something really stinks about that place and it aint the carcasses laying around outside the freezer. And if it is proven they knowningly hired people with false papers I can see the fine. But if they were in a pilot program from the government and the government won't even tell them if the social security number is being used at another employer, how can the *same government* then fine them? Come on let's change the laws and help businesses. The IRS and Social Security knew that these numbers were being used multiple times but doesn't notify the employers, now you want the government to fine them millions of dollars??

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) it depends on the situation, they can be. Sorry to burst your arguement. Again, what should Swift have done to avoid this? What is your company doing to make certain they don't fall victim? We ask for social security cards and driver's license or passport. If someone is proven to be using forged documents, should the employer be fined?

QUOTE(NUKE @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) I think you're absolutely right. Deport the illegal workers back where they came from and fine the living daylights out of whoever hired them. If we're going to dry up the jobs that these people are getting we have to fix it so that the cost in fines makes it unprofitable for them to go after cheap illegal labor. As it stands now that is not the case. Swift was in a pilot government program to prevent this. People stole identities and produced social security numbers. What else should Swift have done?

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QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 02:36 PM) nuh-uh Uh-huh

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) why are john kerry and larry king in your signature with jose canseco, joe crede and frank thomas? That's the rally Crede, notice the tambourines And once again you are showing your Sox acumen.

The government will not warn businesses or consumers when the same social is being used multiple times, and we are going to fine Swift $65,000,000? How does that make sense? If a bank loaned the criminal money, should the bank be fines also? I'm for fining the company if they helped the people with this identity theft, but if they gathered the necessary documents, and those documents are proved to be stolen, I can't see how the company shouldbe punished. We're holding them to a higher standard than the IRS, Social Security, etc.

Somehow Swift is in a pilot program, seemingly working with the government, and then find out 40% may be illegals? That dosn't make sense to me. And SS, as I have said before, most illegals have social security numbers and other false documents. I assume then that Swift was withholding and paying federal income taxes. In the employees to revenue don't forget the cost of materials. Some industries have high material costs and low labor costs (think diamonds) and others have high labor costs and low materials (landscaping)

The swing hard, you might hit something theory. And yet another reason why I love the DH. Watching pitchers hit is like watching PA come up with an original thought.