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QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) and I question your motivation in making that the issue Yes you did and this is getting silly. Steff, you are correct, Maggs could have done this better, and IMHO the team could have done this better. However, bottom line, he was not going to be playing for the Sox again, no matter what both sides did. At the time contract talks ended, and with his previous 6 seasons, he was going to command top free agent dollars from someone. If he had not been injured, he really would have hit the jackpot. And the Sox are not a jackpot type team.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) Steff, you should just post a naked picture of yourself, here, so that we all have proof you are still a woman. Nothing like setting the record straight! we got rules about that. It needs to be posted in the Hot Chick forum

funny if it's true. Now, the story would have been he was in a bathroom stall with Bonds, Giambi, Canseco, Sosa, McGuire, (how big are those stalls) getting a steroid shot . . .

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) I was the woman, so I was there, and Ozzie never commented one bit during the time I was "scolding" Kenny, so I was not aware of his comments made after the fact. And I don't feel the need to call anyone an ass for not returning calls.. it's none of my business... and I question your motivation in making that the issue when I have clearly stated over and over again that it's because he lied that I don't have any respect for him any longer. You don't agree with me.. so be it. Interesting behavior here.. now it's none of your business.You first mentioned the lack of phone calls. I didn't. Now that that has been tossed aside, you wish to talk about my motivation LMAO. I believe both parties went in different directions. The Sox with Dye, Maggs with Detroit. Both sides looked out for their best interest, and that caused some swipes on both sides. I'm excited about the new look team and cannot wait for the season to begin. I realize the Sox will never have a guy making a top 20 type contract. He'll be traded or leave via free agency. It's the only was a small market team can compete. Balance. In the PR battle the Sox won. An All-Star leaves with nothing to show for it and the fans are happy. Hell, from the sounds of some fans here, they are happier to see Maggs leave than Billy Botch.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) Actually he didn't call Kenny back.. silly facts. Silly aren't they. Actually it was Guillen and Kenny. But then research isn't really necessary. Care to call Frank an ass?

I thought AD had enough promising moments to watch the next few episodes. I thought the line about the dog was around when Reagan was President, he knows how things are suppose to be was great. Too many Dad shoots things gags. Shooting the dog was good. Anyone with a mom who has martyr syndrome had to laugh with "I'll take this piece". CIA rigging elections was funny. I also liked the Family Guy commercial spoof of Law & Order. Too bad KnuckleheadSox isn't around anymore. He was the American Dad savant.

All these are false. They are Urban Legends, passed on and on. http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp

QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) This guy is gone and he hired a top gun agent to get him the best deal possible. Maggs looked out for #1 and so did the White Sox. It's the American way. It's unfortunate that sometimes looking out for #1 means people do things that other people take exception to. Ordonez is happy with his new contract, the White Sox are happy with their revamped team. I'm guessing the Sox are equally as happy they don't have to commit all that payroll to one guy. I don't know, sounds like a win-win to me. When a guy leaves town, lots of times there are subtle pot shots that hit the press. This is not something I take personally. He was a good player while he was here but the team didn't win much. Not his fault but he was a key cog. This is pro sports, people come and go. I'm more excited about looking forward, I like the way the team looks.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) Yet he REFUSED to work out or give the Sox his medical records.. Hell.. he didn't even bother to call them back when he was still legally an employee of the Sox. Real classy.. :rolly Yes, I am. Because Kenny's quote was "We don't know how Maggs knee is." Very different from "he knee is not fine", IMO. And Maggs told that doctor to keep that information from the Sox. Not to tell them. To deceive them. To lie. I forgot all about that. Why is it the Sox get the worse humans to play for them? I'll bet Maggs could have played in September, when he was under contract, he just wanted to sit on his ass and collect his money. No wonder he kept that away from the team. Why didn't the Sox void his contract and stop payments if he was withholding information he was legally obligated to provide? I would think all that would be spelled out in his contract. I forgot, the Sox are perfect and always do the very best for every player. Like that early retirement gift for Fisk. I wonder who the next ass will be on the team? Who is a free agent in 2006? You can bet that player is going to be a greedy bastard as well. LMAO. Let's all drink the Sox are a charity koolaid. I guess Maggs took a play from Frank's playbook about not returning team phone calls. IIRC Frank didn't bother to return Ozzie's phone calls. So I guess Frank has no class also?

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:06 AM) Mainly because Maggs has done nothing to dispute it. Besides worked out for the Tigers and passed a physical? Are you disputing that Kenny ever said Maggs knee wasn't ok? And where did Maggs get the name of the surgeon? Oh yes, a Doctor who was being paid by the Sox.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 08:55 AM) You're right.. it is. And look who started it? Kenny was nothing but nice to Maggs. Even at Soxfest pouring on the Magglio love. And this is the return on that..? Class... well.. I'll agree with the last 3 letters. Read the article. Which quote was so bad? He's praising his new club. He points out that Kenny didn't feel his knee was solid. Gee, just like almost everyone here. Where did we get that idea from? From his Doctors? No, most people here are accepting what the Sox have said about his knee.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) I'd rather have cheaper puzzle pieces that fill more holes, than 1 expensive puzzle piece with a major risk long - term. I know what you're trying to say Tex, if a player leaves a team for a big offer, there's bound to be backlash from supporters, it's inevitable. I'm just saying for Detroit it's a bad deal, not for Maggs though. I agree. I just don't understand why a simple, it wasn't working, we are heading in different directions. Instead we have this pr battle that is stupid.

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on. I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs? It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000. That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy. Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

Once again another All-Star caliber player leaves the Sox on less than nice terms. Wow, what a surprise. The Sox have been competitive exactly once going after a top 5 free agent. The team's PR group has to have a better response than "we cannot afford him" so they help the fans to turn on the player. Last time I looked the Sox were not a charity. Maggs played hard the entire time he was here. He was our only consistent All-Star and easily one of our top three players. The team tried to defer payments for 20 years according to the last offer. Based on his deal with the Tigers, which came after Maggs worked out for them, that 5/70 offer was well below his market value. But even with that didn't Maggs say he would take 5/70 if the money wasn't defered until 2025? People point to Vlade, but look at Beltre, he signed for more and has done less in his career. The US has the longest approval process of any country before a drug or treatment is authorized. People have been going over seas for new and innovative procedures for a long time. There are Doctors in other coutries. Shocking as it is. There are actual hospitals and everything. They don't use leeches and treat illness by having a barber practice bloodletting.

Philly gets one last chance. Fake Punt??

Who is the old guy doing the halftime show

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 08:30 AM) Is this where I reply "tubesteaks don't count?" Just checking. I gave up fast food over New Year's and so far I haven't screwed that up. So why not restrict the diet a little more?

My %#& cable is out, actually only on one station. The SuperBowl Thats weird, they moved it to the spanish language station channel

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) Hate to break it to you but this guy is not an intelligent Cleveland fan, he just says that we're bias and pumps up his Indians. You've ever been to Ohio? That's as good as it gets

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:13 PM) Sure if he wants to act like an intelligent fan, I have no problem with it. Anti-Sox Sig on a White Sox site = not intelligent. The fact that it links to yet another sports board is more annoying. How many guys are starting sites? Fortunately, while an anti-Indians sig would bother Indian fans, Sox fans are too mature and secure in our team, to be bothered. We understand the level of stupidity it takes to put that together, and the kind of person he must be, and are able to laugh at the childish nature of the sig. Perhaps it is part of his therapy. Perhaps it's ncorgbl coming out of retirement Let's pop open a bottle of Lake Erie water and drink a toast to the Mistake on the Lake

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) Shingo? I'm not 100% convinced he'll go the season. Just a nagging thought in the back of my head when I think what is the most likely cause of this team going to hell. I come up with health aka 2004 and closer aka 2003.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:05 PM) So I am gone for a week, and we are letting some two bit troll cruise our board with an anti-Sox signature? Oh for shame. Drop the sig junior, or hit the road... you know, like the Indians fairweather fans did when the good players left town. We need at least one intelligent fan from each of the Central Division teams. This one may be the intelligent one, maybe not. I've been hanging out at one of the Tiger's sites with some really good fans. Nice exchange of opinions. They like the new look Sox, are very excited about year two of their rebuilding process. They think any of four teams could win the division, it will take some mid level guys to have career years and the superstars to perform. Let Drew Carey and Cleveland rocks stick around.

It felt like spring, just looking at the pics. That and it's 70 degrees here today. Thanks for sharing.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) Mine is not so much in terms of people but in terms of the following. 1. Getting on base. The top of the order has to get on base and do it often. The whole key to the offense is the top 2 in the order setting the table for the likes of Kong & Everett. 2. Starting pitching. MB needs to be MB and everyone else needs to follow suit. 3. Fundamentals. They can't afford to start the season the way they did last time. It seemed that the 1st few weeks they couldn't get out of their own way. They have to cut down on the errors too. Valentin is gone so there goes a bunch and hopefully Crede spent his winter fielding ground balls and mastering the art of transferring the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. Damn, I seem to be following Nuke and agreeing with him. If we don't get some baserunners, the loss in power is worthless. From the looks of it, we have our best starting pitching in years. If the pitching lives up to the billing, we're in a lot of games this season. My worry, something that isn't mentioned often, do we have a consistent closer in the house?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) I dont know why people are so fixated by homeruns. I know they are exciting and everything but the last 4 seasons we've had boppers up and down the lineup, led or nearly led the leauge in HR's and won nothing better than a tee time in Florida in October. I for one welcome a transition from a musclehead lineup to one that has a little more speed and singles/doubles. Even though he swings from the right side of the plate, I agree. The question is, how much did we give up vs. how much did we gain.