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QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:06 AM) Mainly because Maggs has done nothing to dispute it. Besides worked out for the Tigers and passed a physical? Are you disputing that Kenny ever said Maggs knee wasn't ok? And where did Maggs get the name of the surgeon? Oh yes, a Doctor who was being paid by the Sox.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 08:55 AM) You're right.. it is. And look who started it? Kenny was nothing but nice to Maggs. Even at Soxfest pouring on the Magglio love. And this is the return on that..? Class... well.. I'll agree with the last 3 letters. Read the article. Which quote was so bad? He's praising his new club. He points out that Kenny didn't feel his knee was solid. Gee, just like almost everyone here. Where did we get that idea from? From his Doctors? No, most people here are accepting what the Sox have said about his knee.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) I'd rather have cheaper puzzle pieces that fill more holes, than 1 expensive puzzle piece with a major risk long - term. I know what you're trying to say Tex, if a player leaves a team for a big offer, there's bound to be backlash from supporters, it's inevitable. I'm just saying for Detroit it's a bad deal, not for Maggs though. I agree. I just don't understand why a simple, it wasn't working, we are heading in different directions. Instead we have this pr battle that is stupid.

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on. I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs? It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000. That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy. Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

Once again another All-Star caliber player leaves the Sox on less than nice terms. Wow, what a surprise. The Sox have been competitive exactly once going after a top 5 free agent. The team's PR group has to have a better response than "we cannot afford him" so they help the fans to turn on the player. Last time I looked the Sox were not a charity. Maggs played hard the entire time he was here. He was our only consistent All-Star and easily one of our top three players. The team tried to defer payments for 20 years according to the last offer. Based on his deal with the Tigers, which came after Maggs worked out for them, that 5/70 offer was well below his market value. But even with that didn't Maggs say he would take 5/70 if the money wasn't defered until 2025? People point to Vlade, but look at Beltre, he signed for more and has done less in his career. The US has the longest approval process of any country before a drug or treatment is authorized. People have been going over seas for new and innovative procedures for a long time. There are Doctors in other coutries. Shocking as it is. There are actual hospitals and everything. They don't use leeches and treat illness by having a barber practice bloodletting.

Philly gets one last chance. Fake Punt??

Who is the old guy doing the halftime show

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 08:30 AM) Is this where I reply "tubesteaks don't count?" Just checking. I gave up fast food over New Year's and so far I haven't screwed that up. So why not restrict the diet a little more?

My %#& cable is out, actually only on one station. The SuperBowl Thats weird, they moved it to the spanish language station channel

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) Hate to break it to you but this guy is not an intelligent Cleveland fan, he just says that we're bias and pumps up his Indians. You've ever been to Ohio? That's as good as it gets

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:13 PM) Sure if he wants to act like an intelligent fan, I have no problem with it. Anti-Sox Sig on a White Sox site = not intelligent. The fact that it links to yet another sports board is more annoying. How many guys are starting sites? Fortunately, while an anti-Indians sig would bother Indian fans, Sox fans are too mature and secure in our team, to be bothered. We understand the level of stupidity it takes to put that together, and the kind of person he must be, and are able to laugh at the childish nature of the sig. Perhaps it is part of his therapy. Perhaps it's ncorgbl coming out of retirement Let's pop open a bottle of Lake Erie water and drink a toast to the Mistake on the Lake

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) Shingo? I'm not 100% convinced he'll go the season. Just a nagging thought in the back of my head when I think what is the most likely cause of this team going to hell. I come up with health aka 2004 and closer aka 2003.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:05 PM) So I am gone for a week, and we are letting some two bit troll cruise our board with an anti-Sox signature? Oh for shame. Drop the sig junior, or hit the road... you know, like the Indians fairweather fans did when the good players left town. We need at least one intelligent fan from each of the Central Division teams. This one may be the intelligent one, maybe not. I've been hanging out at one of the Tiger's sites with some really good fans. Nice exchange of opinions. They like the new look Sox, are very excited about year two of their rebuilding process. They think any of four teams could win the division, it will take some mid level guys to have career years and the superstars to perform. Let Drew Carey and Cleveland rocks stick around.

It felt like spring, just looking at the pics. That and it's 70 degrees here today. Thanks for sharing.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) Mine is not so much in terms of people but in terms of the following. 1. Getting on base. The top of the order has to get on base and do it often. The whole key to the offense is the top 2 in the order setting the table for the likes of Kong & Everett. 2. Starting pitching. MB needs to be MB and everyone else needs to follow suit. 3. Fundamentals. They can't afford to start the season the way they did last time. It seemed that the 1st few weeks they couldn't get out of their own way. They have to cut down on the errors too. Valentin is gone so there goes a bunch and hopefully Crede spent his winter fielding ground balls and mastering the art of transferring the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. Damn, I seem to be following Nuke and agreeing with him. If we don't get some baserunners, the loss in power is worthless. From the looks of it, we have our best starting pitching in years. If the pitching lives up to the billing, we're in a lot of games this season. My worry, something that isn't mentioned often, do we have a consistent closer in the house?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) I dont know why people are so fixated by homeruns. I know they are exciting and everything but the last 4 seasons we've had boppers up and down the lineup, led or nearly led the leauge in HR's and won nothing better than a tee time in Florida in October. I for one welcome a transition from a musclehead lineup to one that has a little more speed and singles/doubles. Even though he swings from the right side of the plate, I agree. The question is, how much did we give up vs. how much did we gain.

Even the optimistic numbers are a 15-20% drop in HR. Which is also a drop in runs scored. Don't forget Maggs was are most consistent (.300+ avg.) hitter. We need guys to get on base. Let's say that the first part of the equation is happening, guys are getting on base and advancing. Pitchers are less likely to challenge the hitters with 1st base open than with no one on base. All of a sudden those 2-2 fast balls out over the plate, become corner nibblers and breaking balls. This changes more than just adding and dropping power numbers.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Seriously, this shows me enough. If anyone ever doubted it, there is no doubt anymore, Boras is the best freaking agent in all of sports. He could represent me anytime. How the hell did he get Maggs 15 mill a year, I'll never now, but good god he did the job. Maggs should be excited as hell. Obviously he should of still taken the Sox deal (cause they are a better team then the Tigers) but this is definately a quality backup plan. I think the Tigers are a nice franchise who have won two World Series in my lifetime. I am honestly surprised at this contract. I really think he could have gotten $100 mil if he hadn't been injured.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) Jose Canseco is the male equivalent of an aging bimbo who can't deal with the fact that nobody fawns over her anymore. He's a pathetic attention whore. As much as I love a good "he's dirty" story, it takes more than Canseco's testimony for me to believe.

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) Just what I was thinking... The Tiggies have one void in this contract. One. So, if Magglio makes it through this year, everything else becomes guaranteed (or at least up until the option years?)??? It could get real ugly if the two sides start pointing fingers at each other mid-season, meaning -- Maggs thinks he's OK to go on the knee, the Tigers want him on the DL -- it might get real, real messy... That's why there are team Doctors. I am certain there is some mechanism in the contract to protect both parties.

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Looking it over, if Maggs is seriously hurt, the Tigers are out $12 mil. Not a lot of guaranteed money. If I was an All-Star, Boras is the guy I would want negotiating my contract.

Probably as fast as Sox fans concluded he was a no talent greedy jerk.