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QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) C) none of the above. agreed. We could have one round of boos for all the greedy a$$holes like Hermanson who switched teams for more money.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 02:35 PM) He did have the surgery in Germany but the rehab was done in the US with a physical therapist. Usually only the physicians get the credit but anyone who has had back surgery especially when it has progressed to the point where there is muscular atrophy the rehab is also very important. However your point is well taken. Many of the more famous physician are outside of the US partly due to the freedom they have to do procedures not approved in the US. Agreed, the after care is often as important as the surgery. My point was this Doctor was the only one to diagnose the condition accurately. It was just mentioned that the Doctor that Maggs used is well known to soccer players. I assume that knee injuries are common in soccer players.

He was able to stand up and walk. That's a good sign.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) Ah, ok gottcha. We, mere Message Board posters, knew the Sox were done with Maggs WELL BEFORE the Boras hire. If this reporter was really tapped into his story, he would have known ties were severed long before the Boras hire. Maybe he's just implying it signaled the end to the casual fan, because it was over well before that. With the injury there was a slim chance, at least officially, hadn't both sides agreed to discuss the situation after the season ended? Anyway, hiring Boras was the final straw IMHO. Any hope was squashed on that day. Which leaves Crede IIRC as the only Boras client on the roster.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) The decision to not sign with the White Sox was made before the Boras hire. Signing Boras was to assure he'd get the most on the market, knowing full well he wants nothing to do with the Sox and Kenny and co. want nothing to do with him. Just MHO. Exactly. Which is why I was wondering why you disagreed with

QUOTE(mreye @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:52 PM) She was on Fox News today. She looked like you would probably imagine. Were you unable to eat after seeing her? Did you have nightmares? Maybe you could sue her

With the history between Boras and the White Sox, it was a signal that Maggs wasn't interested in a White Sox contract. It is not secret that Reinsdorf and Boras don't see eye to eye. If Maggs really wanted to stay with the Sox, he could have picked anyone but Boras.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) It's off-topic but let's finish it. I didn't read anything suggesting the school did not provide a tutoring resource over the summer. It's common for tutors to be available during summer school so I find that kind of odd. But let's say your assumption is right. In the absence of a resource the teacher has in effect assigned a take home test. That is likewise not uncommon in universities over breaks. It's a useful means to do skills assessment on students. Even if they seek help on thier own that process will increase their aptitude. So assigning such work is not unjustifiable. What is unjustifiable is grading that work. As long as the teacher assigns such work as Pass/Fail where as long as a reasonable effort is made to work each problem the student passes then the assignment is both reasonable & justifiable. But if the teacher assigns a grade that would impact the student's GPA then I would agree with the student's right to sue the school on that basis. No take home test should ever impact a student's GPA. This was a High School class, not University. At least in my kid's cases, the assignment counted towards their grades. Again, the summer reading I agreed with.It is difficult to try and finish a 600 page book during the school year. It is a great way to introduce longer works. Kids who transfer in are at a big disadvantage, and we have a lot of transfers here.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) Unfortunately.. they were not given the choice to express their suggestions. Unfortunate? I think it was fortunate and here is why. If he was going to be able to play under the current contract they should have been involved. Once it was clear that he was not going to be playing under his current contract, I think the team did the smart thing and stayed out of it. This way Maggs has no one to blame but himself for this course of treatment. Imagine if the Sox recommend a treatment, it goes poorly, and they don't offer him a contract or arbitration? Wouldn't he have a right to complain? The club did the smart thing and stayed out of it. Now if he was under contract for 2005, or there was a chance he could have still played in 2004, the team should have been involved every step of the way. But get involved with a person's treatment for no reason other than you may want to offer him a contract? Not a responsibility I would want to have.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) How convienient for you to leave out the small matter that France and Russia sold Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. imposed sanctions while when the U.S. was selling them arms there were no such restrictions. Amazing how business the world over all operate pretty much the same. If there is money to be made, the deals get done. The US didn't need a UN resolution to go to war against Iraq, yet we keep mentioning this and that UN resolution that was violated. :headshake We really do talk out of both sides of our mouths in regards to Iraq.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) The conventional treatment would be available but then its an 8 month rehab from that poiny. That would waste alot of playing time for Detroit who signed the deal. A doctor in Germany did not get Jose Maria Olazabel walking again. It was a physical therapists in the US working with the Physician who got him walking and playing again. The big difference in medicine between the US and the EU other than the FDA debate is socialized medicine. With socialized medicine many experimental procedures can be done with patients because they will need to wait months to get a conventional procedure. This is a plus for research because many new things can be tried. However, it is a minus for some of the patients because not all of them work. That is why the goal of many employees in the EU contires is to rise far enough in their companies to get private insurance. This doesn't apply everywhere in the EU but it is a common scenario. What does this have to do with the Sox? Nothing except for these are the reasons why Maggs went to Austria and this is why every GM has been rightfully scared of signning him. And why most of the stuff coming out of his agent's mouth is pure horsemanure. For the record: Maggs accepted the advice of a US Doctor who was on the Sox payroll. He decided, based on all the treatments available, to try this. I'm not a Doctor, but I suspect if he had this choice at the beginning of his contract he might have choosen the conventional treatment and lost another season or so. I'll bet at that point, the team would have been suggesting the new treatment and hopefully a faster recovery.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Whyis it funny..? IMO, the 2 are completely different. Albert was upfront about his condition, and Baltimore knew there was a risk - thus insuring it more than the norm. There was no way knowing his hip would go as fast as it did, but at least he didn't bulls*** the O's. I was thinking Cleveland for some reason. I was thinking he was two teams down the road and they were still paying. I agree the two are completely different. The Tigers know exactly what they are getting and have protected themselves beyond insurance. Maggs won't be getting paid if his career ends suddenly from that knee. Belle, as it turned out, had a much better deal.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) Read your post again & then try & convince me that your tone is not sarcastic towards the approval process for health care goods & services in America. I noticed you didn't bother to mention a thing about the legal aspects of America's health care system & how that burdens the system as whole. As for medical innovation overseas I don't see one line of what I wrote that suggests anything sarcastic towards that. But since you brought it up I agree with you. America not only doesn't have a monopoly on health care but in many areas is falling behind other countries. Innovation is occuring in Japan at a brisk rate. As for the homework debate, I'm sorry but Calculus is not a mandatory class nor one that does not require pre-requisites. You must both apply & qualify to be admitted into the class. It's not out of the ordinary for this to happen at a university & Calculus would certainly qualify as a college-prep class. Likewise since it's just homework the teacher doesn't have to be there as long as the student as some form of tutoring available to them from the school. My sarcasm is for people who think that overseas medical treatments are somehow inferior, risky, and below par. My statement is the US has the longest approval process. You seem to think it is because of lawsuit abuse, and I would agree. If that's the case, then more reason that overseas would be a safe alternative while the medical companies practice CYA by generating additional reams of paper. Overall the US has the greatest medical system for those that can afford it. There are times, however, when alternate courses of treatment are available and are better for that particular individual. The best US Surgeons and Doctors couldn't get Jose Maria Olazabel walking again. A Doctor in Germany did. I haven't read to the contrary, but it would seem the conventional drilling holes in the bone treatment would still be available after this treatment was tried. The student sued regarding a summer homework assignment for a calculus class in High School. There was no tutoring available over the summer. I agree with the summer reading assignments, I disagree with summer homework assignments in the sciences and math without some mechanism for tutoring. If all it took was reading a book and doing assignments, why have teachers?

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) Brian and I enjoyed it enough to want to see more. The horny German fish was hysterical. "put your finger in my tank, let me feeeel" "don't give in!"

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) Most of which was probably financed by the US in some way, shape, or form as it usually is with UN programs. Ain't that the truth.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) It's funny to me that the things Allen did have become almost legendary, but if he was a player these days he'd get destroyed if he did the exact same stuff. Babe Ruth would have been in rehab a few times.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) No, and haven't paid him since 1998. Baltimore was paying 40%, insurance covered the rest. '03 was the last year. Thanks Steff, even funnier Baltimore paying him.

Well Juggs here is what I wrote Potshots? Which statement exactly are you disagreeing with? 1. The US has the longest approval? 2. People go overseas for treatment? Cancer and AIDS treatments come immediately to mind. 3. There are Doctors 4. There are hospitals? 5. They have modern techniques and everything? Medical innovations happen all over the world. Thinking the US has a monopoly on medical talent and breakthroughs is small minded. And for the record, I did not support the kid suing the school board, I supported the position that if the school is going to require CALCULUS homework, they need to have the teachers available as well. Just giving kids assignments and zero instruction is stupid. But then again, given your history of ignoring facts and common sense, why am I not surprised you would twist and distort statements?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I'm thinking Albert Belle might be a little more accurate by the time this contract is said and done. The team didn't have an injury out with Belle. Weren't we still paying him last season?

Start booing Paul now. If he puts together a solid season, he'll be gone for higher wages elsewhere.

False, from snopes.com

In all the post 9/11 thoughts, the idea that this was going to be an isolated, one-time attack was hardly mentioned. Conventional wisdom was this was the beginning of a prolonged series of attacks against us. Actions were taken based on that scenario. Unfortunately, rolling back these laws becomes impossible for elected officials who would not like to be labeled as pro-terrorist by their opponents.

I doubted, but wasn't convinced, he was disarmed. When Bush said he had information he couldn't share, I believed him. I also believed Clinton when he said he hadn't had sexual relations with that woman. I think the price for Iraqi democracy, both in US lives lost and US dollars spent, is too high and the benefits too low.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) My apologies as I thought you were referring to the "interesting behavior" comment. Silly...?? Maybe. Eye opening, that's for sure. eye opening? Eye've been pretty consistent all along in my read on the Maggs contract, as have you. In hindsight, I thought he should have signed the last Sox offer, he gambled and I thought he was going to loose the gamble. He may still loose the gamble if his knee doesn't heal. I think if he stayed healthy he would have won the gamble. I also think the team is better off without Maggs undercontract, if the total salary dollars weren't going to rise. I saw a pr battle between Boras and the Sox. It is any easy battle for the Sox to win. Hated agent, All-star player wanting a huge contract vs. our favorite team. I think the team would be better with a healthy Maggs instead of Everett. But we cannot have everyone else and Maggs. Only teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can spend that kind of money. Not returning calls? No big deal to me. Not volunteering information after he was ruled out for the season and the end of the contract? No big deal to me. I didn't hear anyone on the Sox claim he was healthier than he claimed, they all seemed to agree he couldn't play. I would be surprised if the team asked for information they were legally entitled to and didn't get it.

Welcome to Monday. Another glorious week of cheerful opportunities.