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QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) I can see both sides of this debate. There is certainly some validation to the point that Carlos Lee was worth more than we received from Milwaukee. There is also the very valid point that we also "got" Hernandez and Pierzynski as a result of this trade. Taking into consideration the stuff that came out about Carlos immediately after the trade, perhaps KW decided to strike before the stuff leaked out and lowered his trade value. Perhaps it came out only because the trade had been made. We don't know about all that. So, basically, we don't have all the information to make an informed, intelligent judgement about the trade. All in all, it looks pretty damn good for us at this point and that's about all, as fans, we can expect. As trades go it wasn't unreasonable. I just expected a top 15 prospect, possibly a pitcher. Teams now practically reinvent themselves each year and forgetting the past is almost manditory. I feel a dump everyone and sign free agents mood this off season.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) I know that sound. When I was in 8th grade at our conference meet, I was the #1 seed and was leading going into the last 100. I finished 3rd. :puke My coach was laughing so hard he almost wet his pants when he saw me standing there looking like WTF. This guy was so obviously the better runner. This guy finished 1 in the state, and was just incredible. I watched him destroy the competition in the Regional meet. The only think that moved was his legs. He just floated once he got out of the blocks. My biggest thorn in the side was a fellow by the name of JC who beat me in our conference 880 by about 5 yards. He had a go out fast and burn everyone out strategy and I preferred the hang on the shoulder of a slow pace and kick. I gave him too much room and couldn't catch him. He also finished just ahead of me in the mile and in the county cross country meet. I wound up with a locker next to his in college

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:23 AM) Our cross country course was at a Monestary. I didn't break any records. I did hold the Junior High 400 record for 3 years. I thought I could run the 440. Then a relay at Waukegan East proved otherwise. I was run down and whipped. I took a 15 yard lead and turned it into a 30 yard loss. As I was runrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrun I could hear woosh whoosh whoosh whooshwhooshwhooshwhoosh whoosh whoosh and he was gone

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:25 AM) Weird. Too weird. :headshake Have you rented the DVD yet? Me neither

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:21 AM) Just consider who we were trading with. Money was not an option, I'm sure. A better prospect should have been doable. Perhaps someone off AA or AAA not High A would have made this closer IMHO. What I like the most about this team is the pitching and having a decent potential lead off guy. Downside, we overpaid for that.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:16 AM) We come at things from drastically different directions, but we usually end up agreeing in the long run. It seems that way.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) 880? You're showing your age there, Tex. Coolest thing. A couple years after I graduated they converted to metric. AFAIK, I hold the school's 880 record 1:54, the 1 mile record 4:33, and part of the 4x880 Relay records for now until enternity. I also hold the old Cross Country course record. and unless they tear down that subdivision, it will be mine forever So I got dat goin' for me . . .

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:03 AM) If you choose to finance Moore's next piece of garbage, then so be it. He won't get a dime from me. Nor would he get a dime from me.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) My point is that he tried to mislead the public and affect the election with bulls***. Whether he accomplished or not is moot. Michael Moore is lower than shark s***, imho. I can't say I disagree with that assessment. If I was in charge of politics, I'd toss him out in the first purge. But Moore is a different animal than his film. There are actors and athletes whose personal life and ethics are different than mine. However, it doesn't prevent me from seeing their work and appreciating it, even paying to see it. Seinfeld is still funny even though Jerry tossed aside his wife for the babysitter. Annie Hall is still brilliant even though Woody Allen and Diane Keaton are a couple of nut jobs. Best example, is Jackson's performances any less deserving of their Grammy Awards? A lot more than Moore is in that film. I'll bet a GOPer or two snuck in.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:45 AM) OK ... Marketing had something to do with it. I give you that. As for your other question, if he was a RWN ... Yes, he probably would have twisted and misrepresented that point of view as well. And then maybe Kerry would have won. I do think Moore cost Kerry votes, not gained any. The GOP did an excellent job of deflecting and then turning around those attacks. I cannot think of a bad misstep that W and his campaign made. Compare the GOP deflecting Moore vs. the Kerry campaign dealing with the Swift Boat vets and many a political science paper will be written. At the core is profit margin. The swift boat guys had millionaires lined up to spend millions on ads, tours, etc. Moore had millionaires lined up to make millions. Americans don't like profit in opinion.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:36 AM) You specualte about that all you want. That scenario didn't occur. Moore trying to pass this off as a documentary during an election did occur. It has nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with politics. I am not 100% disagreeing with you on the politics but I believe it was secondary to artistic and career matters. You don't think he wanted to sell tickets to his movie? I think it had everything to do with his career as a film maker and making gobs of money. The storm of controversy, the notoriety, the selling of tickets allows his next film to be produced. Do you disagree if he was a Right Wing Nut he would have made something about the Swift Boat vets? I think his professional drive would stay the same, his style would stay the same, just the material would change.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) Whatever was submitted to the Academy is irrelevent. He tried to pass it off to the public as a documentary. I agree that passing it off as a documentary was wrong. I just believe each film, song, painting, essay, etc. should be judged on it's own merits, without explanations without gaining or losing points from marketing and "intent". If Moore would have been a Right Wing Nut instead of a Left Wing Nut imagine the Swift Boat film we would have seen. A little kid in his jammies being gunned down while holding a lolly pop.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:15 AM) I didn't think so... as long as it had a theatrical release that preceded the DVD release. I could be wrong though. I thought there was discussions months ago that Moore, who has control of the movie, refused to submit it as a documentary, only as a film. From http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/academy_awards/112243

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:01 PM) Did you read this entire thing? :sleep so did I. What's really cool is it may circle around and hit again and again.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:09 AM) Hooray for Hollywood! I agree it sucked as a documentary. Rush's show sucks as a journalist. Both are damn fine entertainment.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:03 AM) Moore tried to pass this drivel off as a documentary when released, during the course of an election. Very similar to "Rathergate". Of course, as Moore was pressed on issues and truths, he backed away from the documentary stance. But the marketing hype should be separate from the film for awards. People can say whatever they like, but in the end, the work of art must be judged on it's own merits. Unless you have Moore whispering to you during the movie, what happens outside the movie isn't relevant.

Damn I had a much better response written and I accidentally deleted it when pasting the quote. Here's goes a replacement. What I am saying is the movie should be judged as a movie. Was Gaye undeserving of a Grammy for What's Goin' On because the war was still being fought? Films do not have to be accurate. The best parallel I can give is the Blair Witch Project. It was shot as a documentary but nominated as a film. To put F911 as a documentary is wrong. Just like calling Rush a journalist is wrong (or so I've been told). Rush distorts things and twists things and gets things totally wrong, yet winds radio awards because he's an entertainer. Moore is an entertainer. We have to accept both. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 08:51 AM) What's Going On (Al Cleveland/Marvin Gaye/Renaldo Benson) Mother, mother There's too many of you crying Brother, brother, brother There's far too many of you dying You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today - Ya Father, father We don't need to escalate You see, war is not the answer For only love can conquer hate You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me, so you can see Oh, what's going on What's going on Ya, what's going on Ah, what's going on In the mean time Right on, baby Right on Right on Father, father, everybody thinks we're wrong Oh, but who are they to judge us Simply because our hair is long Oh, you know we've got to find a way To bring some understanding here today Oh Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me So you can see What's going on Ya, what's going on Tell me what's going on I'll tell you what's going on - Uh Right on baby Right on baby

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 01:31 AM) One of these days, someone like Moss is going to go too far and he'll be lucky to get off the field alive. Seriously. Didn't the Pacers/Piston incident teach these idiots anything? It isn't just the home team fans that pay for all this. Have a little class and respect, act like a professional. I'm old and cranky, but my every thought when viewing that was negative. Negative about him, about the Vikings organization, and about the NFL if they allow that.

I remember during the D-backs love fest most people said Shilling loved the media spotlight and RJ just wanted to fade into the background. Like someone his size can. I've never really resolved in my mind what responsibility a player has to the media. Just how valid is the statement that the media represents the fans and how they treat the media is how they are treating the fans who are paying for all this? Does the player have more of a duty if the reporter always prints nice stuff about the team, or should all reporters be treated the same? Can the team dictate to the players who, when, and what to say?

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QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 07:48 AM) I think this is a good feature but for some reason I can never get anyone to respond to me around here..... :banghead I love you guys.....ahhhh screw you guys!! here's a response for you :finger

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QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 07:02 AM) Don't forget the ketchup chips, eh? Vinager is better on chips.

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 02:08 AM) looks like I am the only one who voted yes, and not certain.. I love the ignore feature so I can ignore all the ass clowns I dont like on this board, but even when they are ignored it still tells me they are on the site and when they post it shows they posted and just says "you have chose to ignore this user" Why cant it just make them gone so I dont have to see anything? Thats the only problem I got with this thing.. After a while those users just fade into the woodwork and ytou don't "see" the posts, kind of like you don't see come of the posting help above the entry box.