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QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 31, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Every single one of your examples is a criminal act - with the exception of the gay wedding. I don't think those examples are on point. Actually you can legally kill a cop or a cop can kill a kid. Pharmaceutical manufactures are refusing to sell drugs for capital punishment because of the potential backlash when the company name is made public. Is that wrong? By the same process a company that prints Church bulletins and religious tracks refuses to make signs for a KKK rally seems within their right to protect their business. And I know they are calling this a religious freedom law, but it seems simpler to me. If someone approaches a builder and asks them to build a house the builder has an option to not bid on that proposal. If you go to a pool company and ask them to build you a pool with certain specifications, they can say no. If you go to a contract manufacturer and ask them to build something, they are not obligated to build it for you. We can go on and on where businesses are allowed to not work on projects. You want to book an event center for your wedding and they say they can't accept your booking for that date. Businesses are allowed to turn down customers all the time.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 31, 2015 -> 06:06 AM) many thanks again. now for the important part....... Do you believe that these guys went into SAE as racists or was it a result of being exposed to the racism and wanting to fit in? In other words, had they never joined that Fraternity would they still hold those views?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 31, 2015 -> 07:13 AM) I just don't buy that the baker should have the right to not produce a cake for an "objectionable" event. I think people are trying to stretch the act of baking a cake into some kind of endorsement or approval of the event the cake is for, and I think that's an overreach of "religious freedom." I wouldn't label it religious freedom, I think of it the same way that I do this forum. As an owner Jas can decide what is written on his website by his customers. Replace a cake for the website and it is how I am thinking of it.

I thought it was all fun and games as well, but I do see how someone could interpret it the other way.

It's hard to run the table(s). fatigue, pressure, bad luck could all spell doom for Kentucky. It's fun to have a heavyweight in the tournament and watch if anyone can knock them out. Way better to me than everyone has a chance.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) ok, i understand what you are saying but you are trying to jam everything in a 1 case verdict fits all. you agree that the universities may have violated their civil rights. all i am saying is the president may have overstep his or her authority in expelling those he or she expelled by using a wide blanket. all i am saying is the students has rights. what they were doing is despicable. i am a minority and if i can see this, as much as i hate to admit it, they may have a huge maelstrom brewing. then the press will step in. there is something call due diligence, that the school may not have follow, in otherwords, dotting the I's and crossing the T's. ~~~ edit - Tex, i owe you an apology for coming across as a stupid jerk. you didn't do anything to deserve me treating you as such. again i am sorry. the end. at least for me peace. And I was stating the President probably has the authority, and should have. The buck has to stop somewhere and that is usually at the highest office in any organization. I do believe the decision may have been violated. Somehow one small point that I didn't think really amounted to anything became a focus, which it should not have been. Thank you for the apology, but it really isn't necessary and just is the nature of the medium we are using to communicate. If we had been talking and listening we would have zoomed past that in a couple seconds and realized we agreed on 99% of the issues.

There is producing a cake and there is producing cake celebrating an event the baker finds objectionable - gay wedding, lynching, killing of a cop, killing of an unarmed black teenager by a cop, etc. Remember there freedoms, if we can call it that, potentially protect everyone.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) See that big, bold word there? While you are right, you CAN be, it just doesn't happen. Everyone has a hand out for something. If you are pro environment, then the government will fund focus groups, start a committee, fund a boatload of studies, create a new agency with a huge budget to watch over the environment, and make sure that the budget never shrinks. Are you suggesting our environment isn't worth watching over? Industry did so well policing itself before strong laws were passed in the 1960s.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) Sounds like the Libertarian Party, which hasn't managed to get 1% of the votes in the last 8 presidential elections. I don't see either of the two major parties making significant movement towards that - it conflicts with their basic narratives. We're an entrenched two party system. Any candidate with a chance to get elected will work within the existing system. Which is sad.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 10:31 PM) I would go into at least 3 courses that have teaching centers and meet with the pro. See if you like what he says. Nothing is worse than spending an hour with a guy that doesn't get what you want to do. The guy at harbor side kept trying to make me into a draw player. It ruined my swing for an entire season. And plan on a season of lessons spaced out enough to groove a change before going back. I see some of my players getting so lost. Each week it was a new change and the previous weeks change wasn't incorporated.

QUOTE (SnB @ Mar 25, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) I'm pretty sure it's the stock shaft. Most of my hits seem to be a little higher than the sweet spot of the face. Maybe just get the club shortened? Pick your spots where to hit the driver. Most par 5s and many Par 4s you will be just fine with a smooth 3 wood from the tee. I'd also check the loft of your driver. If you are hitting a low lofted driver 8.5 to 9 you might benefit from a switch to an 11 or 12 degree driver. For the immediate needs. Depending on what score you are hoping to reach analyse where you are losing strokes. I have my novice players who are trying to break 90 divide the yardage of par 4s in three. Usually three seven irons will allow them to hit lots of greens and set up par putts. Same with par 5s only divide by 4. Now if you can get something a little longer down the fairway, that allows a wedge into the green. I have a player shooting solid mid 80s with a hybrid off the tee while we fix his fairway metals and driver.

95. My sciatica isn't acting up like in bad years. Every 10 years, again.

It seems to me, and I know y'all will correct me if I am wrong, that a socially liberal yet fiscally conservative party could do very well at election time. So will that ever happen? Will it be the GOP becoming more liberal on social issues or the Dems becoming more conservative with our tax dollars?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Again, this is exactly what the sit ins were. Black people sitting down at whites only counters just wanting to be served while the businesses refused to do so, while waiting for them to remove the people by force for wanting to buy lunch. Exactly. But connecting the dots leads to an quagmire. If we allow protesters who harm a business to be removed, and anyone can be a protester just by being themselves in the store, then laws like this are reasonable at worse or even unnecessary at best.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) The difference being that those "safeguards" may or may not (probably not) drop the murder rate, whereas adding a 2nd person in the cockpit WILL prevent some lunatic pilot locking the door and crashing a plane. Ah, now the fun of that proposal. Cost - Benefit? How can we assure ourselves that the second person can overpower the pilot if necessary? How can we assure ourselves that the second person won't be the one to take over the plane and plan a control flight into terrain? The irony that we felt safer when pilots could insulate themselves from the other passengers. Now we want people on the outside to get inside.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) SAE president says they first learned the chant on a national leadership cruise organized by the fraternity's national organization. Shocking

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 03:52 PM) how can that be accepted, you are making a contradiction. it is legally fine and yet violates student rights??? get real Sorry LDF I know you are a smart guy so I must not be writing this clearly. You are confusing the system in place versus the decision that was made. The example I gave are laws that have been written that are overturned by the courts as violating constitutional rights. Remember the checks and balances? So a state government writes a law barring same sex couples to marry. The law gets overturned later and ruled unconstitutional. A state writes a law restricting abortion that is later overturned. We don't say the system that we use to write the laws is wrong and needs to be changed, do we? I'm surprised you can't follow that. Courts make decisions that get overturned on appeal because of constitutional issues. Do we then change the court system? The system didn't violate anyone's rights, the resulting decision did. In this case, if a universities system is all expulsions are adjudicated through the college president. How is that SYSTEM violating anyone's rights? I agree the decision probably was wrong and needs review by the courts. But any SYSTEM they had in place could still result in the same decision to expel. Name a system that could be in place that couldn't arrive at a decision that was unconstitutional? We can't even do that with our current legal system.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) I dont know, your examples are involving situations where service isnt being refused, but access is. There is a lot to your example here that would complicate the situation. Is the racist walking around the store saying racist things and making people uncomfortable and causing them to leave? I would say that the Religious freedom law wouldnt even matter because this person is damaging your business by causing people to leave. Is he just a known racist who sat down quietly to have coffee and didnt bother anyone, but the store owner knows him and says "Get out, i know what you say when you are somewhere else". And yes, the law is much more sinister than what they are trying to spin it as. Sorry, my examples are confusing the question I was trying to ask. I was also discussing a tangent, should a business be allowed to refuse service? Can a person be a protester just by standing there doing nothing? If a shop keeper is known for refusing to serve a Muslim, would any Muslim person walking into the shop be in affect protesting?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) I'm not sure I'd trust the pilot to be alone in the cockpit no matter who they were, and they receive a heckuva lot more training than we require of gun owners in many states now. 100% agree.

I know we never should have allowed Germany to reunite. We saw what they did last time they were together. Terrorism

And as a religious person, I am really offended by this law and it does not represent my beliefs or any of the beliefs of my friends who would also identify as religious. It seems more in that crazy world of Politico-Religion.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) You arent refusing service to protesters that are disrupting business. They dont want to eat what you are providing, and they dont want others to eat it. They are trying to harm your business. I dont think this analogy is applicable at all. That was my final question. Can you be a protester by just being yourself? I don't want to bog down into specific groups but sit ins were basically blacks protesting by wanting to be served. They weren't really protesting other than being in a store where they were not welcomed. Now we all know I'd rather be on the side of inclusion. But if you are a black business owner and the local racist idiots decide they want to just walk around your store, shouldn't you be allowed to have them removed? Even if they aren't doing anything? If you are a conservative store owner with a conservative customer base and your regulars leave without buying when that ABC person is in the store, isn't that the same? Again, I am talking hypothetical, I believe we know this law is much more sinister in focus.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 30, 2015 -> 10:22 AM) The idea that in both situations someone can cause the death of someone else. 99% of the time it doesn't happen, but 1% of the time it does. Balta likes to point to the 1% with guns and say "see look how dangerous, ban them all!" Yet with planes and depression he's willing to give a pass apparently because it doesn't happen that often. The logic in the reaction isn't consistent. I believe a key difference between being a passenger on an airplane and a customer in a store is the different level of trust. I don't trust the clerk at Starbucks with my life, I do with the pilot. I would hope the screening would be much different. Interesting is Balta and I are making the same connection but coming with much different conclusions. I'd rather they keep their guns than fly a plane. he'd rather take away their guns and give them an airplane. Of course we both would rather they receive quality health care* and be fine with a gun and an airplane. *We should not differentiate between mental health and other health.

As much as I really dislike this law, I do wonder if stores should have the right to refuse service. On a theoretical point, imagine a group of protesters inside a steak restaurant chanting against eating meat. Obviously we all agree the owner should have the right to remove the group because they are harming that business. Now, what if you have a really messed up business (IMHO it is messed up) that caters to a very anti-XX crowd. A large group of XX show up just to drive away the core customers. They will be gone next month along with the regulars. Can you protest by just being you?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 01:04 PM) Thats why I clarified, its funny that its finally getting out of US soil. I mean dont they know most of the south is bigoted as hell? I didn't think Indiana and Kansas were southern states? It's a lot of northern states that demanded the border wall be placed in Texas.