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QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 06:28 AM) The 1936 road gray is my favorite. Wait, sorry, that's White Sox uniforms, not old US flags. Far better than the 1861-1865 gray uniforms.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 12:31 PM) Democrats respond to Arizona law with an immigration proposal including an electronic nationally required ID card that would be required for everyone applying for a job. I'm sure the people who defended the Arizona law will be bullish on this proposal. BTW...whoever's writing the Democrat's acronyms lately deserves a promotion. I actually would like to see better tools available to employers to confirm the legal right to work. This, combined with a guest worker program, would make my day.

QUOTE (G&T @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 05:42 AM) It was created specifically to house the federal government. When created, I think the point was to keep it away from state influences. Of course, all of that is moot today. Close, they didn't want the Feds favoring one state over another. Going back to the later have of the 1800s the US was adding a couple stars a year. This is the longest our flag has ever stayed the same. My two favorite flags are the 15 stars and stripes and the 28 star flag.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) "It is the team of fascists," wrote Travis Nichols in Chicago.

They had no concept of the internet, international travel in hours, television, etc. But they did understand the document needed to be flexible to accomodate a changing society. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 01:14 PM) I'm confident if the founding fathers were alive today they'd be scared s***less of the power of the federal government, the role of the media, and the complete lack of institutional control that exists in our system. The idea wasn't to have a central government that invaded every single aspect of your life. The goal wasn't to let the government tell you what is right/wrong, what is protectable/what is not protectable. The whole system was designed to protect citizens from their government, not citizens from each other (that was left to the states). What we have today is entirely different than what was intended IMO.

I am not an originalist when it comes to the Constitution. I do think Madison and Co. wrote perhaps the greatest plan in history. Our protection from unconstitutional laws being passed is the judicial branch. But we don't seem to want judges that will rule any laws as unconstitutional. That would be an activist agenda. We also do not seem to want our watchdogs, the press, to report on that stuff either. I do find some irony is the pro-union party that wants more government restrictions on businesses wants to allow them greater access to employees. Getting back to the Constitution, IIRC, and I do, the original intent of the Constitutional Convention in 1783 was to rewrite the Articles of Confederation. Madison, Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, and others charted a course to eliminate the Articles and form a strong central government. Our very Constitution whittled away state's rights in favor of this strong federal government. And look at the compromises that started even before it was put in place. A senate with equal representation, and a house with proportional. This gave both sides what they wanted. Hell, we even started counting slaves as 3/5ths. I believe I agree with SS that we are slowly sliding down a terrible path of giving up our rights. The logic is always the same. If we can save/stop/prevent one x,y,z then the inconvenience is worth it. In over 200 years we've only amended the Constitution a couple dozen times.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 11:43 PM) I am cherry-picking here, but they EARN far less than they CONSUME in benefits and what they SAVE they send out of the country to prop up Mexico which is why that hellhole won't do anything to stop it, or THEY go broke as a country. (Cue tex's response about sending my kids to be migrant veggie pickers or something, and a slight rant about businesses needing illegals, while completely ignoring that most have called for a valid, workable guest worker program to alleviate that issue, including me). On a different note, you also said Sometimes you have to slap a hysterical person in the face to get their attention. Arizona has been asking for help for years to stem the flow of illegals from the feds, and getting nothing. maybe this is just the slap in the face to say 'hey feds, wake the f*ck up, we are SERIOUS here'? ANYONE working low paying jobs collects more in benefits than they pay in taxes. Which is why using workers that do not qualify for those benefits is so handy for the government. Also, I have not said they need illegals, they need people willing to work temporary seasonal jobs in agriculture and a few other low paying, s***ty jobs. And when they are earning about a $1000 a month, just how much are they really sending back home? And I have said a guest worker program is the best solution. But the bottom line with this law is basically requiring CITIZENS to carry papers proving they are citizens.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:13 AM) I'd probably stick with the pros when moving. The wife and I have accumulated some pretty nice furnishings over the years and I'd hate to wind up damaging any of it. That will be true for most of the better moving companies. There are some s***ty employees.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:53 PM) WTF? QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) Maybe they can award the fattest kid too. Basically the thought process is, kids are going to play these games, let's educate them (and their parents) on the positives and the negatives. I predicted it would fail for two reasons. Parents will object and reject before even reading the requirements, and the kids will go from excited to "damn, they tricked me again. All they want me to do is play edu-tainment games for 5 minutes a day".

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 10:47 AM) Visa, that is valid? Yes. Passport? Not necessarily, if they can't check it through the immigration systems. And last I know, cops ont he street don't have passport scanners on the MCATs. They'd have to call INS or whomever. IIRC we now require a VISA or green card in addition to the passport. Basically a passport does not expire and Mexican Nationals can only stay 90 days as visitors. We allow Canadians 180 days. I wonder why?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 08:51 AM) I'm in the interview process for a position out of state (Portland, OR) and I'm starting to get a little nervous that I might get an offer. There's so many things that I'd need to take care of since we own a house. Has anyone been through this before? What if I can't sell my house before I leave? Do I rent it for the time being? Do I drop the price significantly just to sell it? What if the sale price doesn't cover what I still owe? What the heck is a short sale? How do I find a place to live in the other city without flying back and forth several times and dishing out a boatload of $$ (Assuming I just get an apartment for the 1st year or 2). Anyone with experience moving your stuff across the country? What's the best way to handle that? Thanks in advance. I did. That's how I got to Texas. First off, many of these questions may or may not be part of your hiring package. I was lucky and the company wanted me bad enough to pay many of the moving expenses. See following: I'm in the interview process for a position out of state (Portland, OR) and I'm starting to get a little nervous that I might get an offer. Congratulations. There's so many things that I'd need to take care of since we own a house. This will be an incredibly stressful period. Has anyone been through this before? What if I can't sell my house before I leave? You have to think about if you can afford two places until the house sells. Consider if somene you know would be willing to rent the house until it sells. Do I rent it for the time being? Being an absentee landlord is about the worse situation to be in. What happens when the water heater fails and they want it repaired? Collecting rent that falls past due? Do I drop the price significantly just to sell it? Only if you can afford it. What if the sale price doesn't cover what I still owe? You have to pay the bank the difference to complete the sale. What the heck is a short sale? When you are in danger of defaulting on a mortage, sometimes the mortgage company will accept less than what you owe to get out from under the loan. How do I find a place to live in the other city without flying back and forth several times and dishing out a boatload of $$ (Assuming I just get an apartment for the 1st year or 2). Find an excellent realtor and ask around at your new company. Anyone with experience moving your stuff across the country? What's the best way to handle that? Depends on how much money you have to move. I stood back and touched nothing while professional movers packed up all my stuff. 15 years ago it cost almost $12,000 for the move. Another new hiree accepted $9,000, did it himself, and made $5,000. I wish I knew to ask for that deal. Your HR department should be skilled in answering these questions. Ask them what relocation assistance they provide. If you want I can PM my number and you can give me a call. There is so much more.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:33 AM) So this brings up an interesting question. How is a cop supposed to know the difference between a tourist who shows a passport or visa, and an illegal alien who shows the same thing? They have no way of checking their status through customs, without having a customs agent present. That's another potential problem here. If they have a passport and VISA they are not here illegally. Just boosting our tourism dollars. This area is a ghost town without Mexican Nationals and the hundreds of millions of dollars they pump into our local economy.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/north.car...ongs/index.html I think there should be a panel convened and thong licenses issued.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/27/arizo...dex.html?hpt=T2 ~

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 01:57 PM) It's promoting a religious activity: prayer. It doesn't matter if it's non-denominational (we swear it's not evangelical!). Is it *picky* to b**** about something so small? Sure. How about a National Day of No Prayer? I bet that would go over well. That would be the other 364 days. For some, they need that last day.

It really isn't so much having non resident aliens and tourists holding onto their papers that bothers me, I always had my FM3 (green card kind of thing) and passport with me when I was working in Mexico. It is the cloud of suspicion over citizens who looks like they may be an illegal having to keep their papers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 03:07 PM) H. Christ. Anyone want to defend this one for me? States I'm not moving to as of this week: Arizona, Oklahoma. Emphasis mine. I do not have a defense. In a world where Chinese couples abort females to keep their name going, aborting a baby with birth defects seems reasonable.

It sounds like if you are brown in Arizona you are now guilty of being here illegally until you can prove you are innocent.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 02:07 PM) Oh no, you are perfectly right. Having guys surfing porn at the SEC is a great idea while the financial system crumbles. I know, it's government, so the spending it good. I can believe you actually believe that crap, but that is a totally different story. Of course employees of private firms never surf the net for hours.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 12:39 PM) Judging by the history of governmental programs? Absolutely. I would honestly assume they were wrong until proven otherwise. I would lean more towards this reasoning than against. Perhaps if it was worded, show me the money. But we all should demand the sort of accountability.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:43 AM) Yup. One with math. That was good. BTW both of your arguments are spiralling downward, not upward as is your usual path.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) yes i meant van. And a passenger van is one thing. Look, we all know what we're talking about here. We all know what looks suspicious and what doesn't. And if you can't then you can't harass those people. That's the point. Sure a small percentage of people will get harassed for no good reason, they'll sue, and they'll most likely get compensated. That's how our system works. No different than any other law out there that cops abuse and enforce illegally. My viewpoint on this is talking with my cop buddies who work in the worst areas of Chicago. They're limited in what they can do despite what common sense would dictate. This legislation should have been worded differently, and should have included more detail as to what reasonable suspicion means. But the intent of the law is good, and I don't see much abuse happening that wouldn't happen with any other law. What paperwork will citizens need to carry to identify themselves as citizens? If you forget your wallet and perhaps get caught speeding, shouldn't you also go to jail until you can prove you are a citizen? Or will the cops have to make a judgement if you "look" like a citizen? If you "talk" like a citizen? Basically what you are saying is citizens will have to prove they are citizens if they pile into a van for a trip to the beach or ballpark.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) But you're reading it like it says if you see one brown person that's enough to pull them over. That's wrong. 14 people shoved in a fan can and should be suspicious. That's your window. White/black/brown, doesn't matter. That sounds like multiple murders on CSI: NY if you meant van, than it sounds like a Church outing in my neighborhood. If you can see them, they aren't be smuggled in.

To be fair there are other factors at work here like the exchange rate of the different currencies. And the earlier comment about Mexico makes sense to me. I know a lot of people that prefer having some medical work done in Mexico.

I just stood in front of 27 eighth grade students. It would be impossible to tell a difference between them and who may and who may not be here illegally. Basically these kids are facing a United States where they will have to prove, perhaps on a regular basis, if they are here legally or not. How would you like to have to carry your birth certificate or other government issued ID everywhere you go or risk being arrested? But hey, maybe the Constitution only applies to white people.