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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) That makes no sense. A person taking someones job illegally is a person taking someone's job illegally. If it is happening a lot, shouldn't that upset people more? I have to agree with you here. The one argument I have no reply for are those legal immigrants who say, "I did it legally, they should have to also",

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) And they are hired because they are willing to work for less than they can hire American's for. Is that a bad thing? Doesn't it mean our education system works? Also, wages are not the total picture. They are willing to work in industries that others will not. My greatest concern is the agriculture industry.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) I have no problem with a non-racist guest worker program. But It still doesn't take away the incentive to hire someone illegally for cheaper. Which includes hiring citizens and paying them cash. The fact is immigrants from Mexico and South America can arrive here for a few hundred bucks and a lot of walking. It just doesn't make sense for employers spending more, or immigrants spending more, on jobs that pay minimum wage. So this is where the pool of workers will come from. Not racist, it's simple economics. It is also based on a hundred years of workers doing just this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 08:49 PM) So the penalty shouldn't fit the crime? The penalty should fit the crime, the time between arrest and trial should also fit the crime. We allow accused murders out on bail, shouldn't there be bail for this?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 07:02 PM) Maybe we should rethink illegal immigration as as minor crime? If the penalty means you are going to be out of the country anyway, why should you have the opportunity to get set free? You are right, that is counter-intuitive. It comes back to innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone is caught without proof of citizenship, doesn't mean they are illegals. You may have forgotten to bring your papers on a business trip. Deporting them becomes a problem. Plus what country do we deport them to? Hey, I'm here illegally, deport me to Australia for the summer! We think of all those Spanish speakers are Mexican nationals, but a large percentage, perhaps as many as 25% are from further south. Maybe we do need a national ID card and if you lose it, risk being sent somewhere. I guess they would send me back to Germany lol

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 02:11 PM) Ideally the states shouldn't have to worry, but that is a different story. Good point. The other crazy part is when someone is caught they wind up released on some sort of bail arrangement until they can appear in court. Well duh, if you are here illegally you won't show up. But the Bill of Rights prevents suspects to be held without bail for a minor crime.

Balta makes the stretch at first and the umps call bull s***! Tazed to gain information? Yeah torture. Tazed to stop the guy and get him off the field? No torture. Sorry dude, I usually am standing next to you in opinion, but this time the stretch was just a little too far.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 09:08 AM) It is another huge intrusion into individual rights, IMO. I agree. I'm just struggling to answer the question shouldn't a state have the right, or perhaps even have an obligation, to know the nationality of people within their borders? Or another way, under what conditions should someone be asked to prove their nationality? All of the solutions I can come up with have serious flaws.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2010 -> 09:07 AM) No rights and proper trial? For shame. No jurisdiction for any court.

LOL After the wild market ride yesterday I was looking to diversify my investments. Yeah the Time's title hooked me. I was bored. Actually I started with their article on the most expensive item ever sold at auction, http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...1917097,00.html Picasso's Nude, Green Leaves, and Bust. They have some pretty cool lists.

I will admit this, it is possible to enforce this law in a sane manner. I've just never been a believer that Arizona local police could pull it off . . .

I decided I'm not going to the All-Star game, who's with me?

Pretty cool, but blasting 'em away from the back of a naval ship while the leader was "negotiating" was pretty cool.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1650788,00.html

I'm reading this and thinking, he could still have thrown out Konerko . . .

Scotty Pippen pulled one of those also. If he is struggling with a mental illness, sports is probably the toughest arena to get well in. It's kind of funny, but if he didn't give a s*** and just sat down on the bench, there is no story.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 6, 2010 -> 08:50 AM) I sure as hell wouldn't go to the media and tell them that I want X amount of money and demand to play a position that I clearly no longer have the skills to play. I must've missed the memo about us not being allowed to criticize players who say incredibly dumb things to reporters. Are we not allowed to criticize JD for hitting near the Mendoza Line for half of last season (and then blaming it on Kenny for acquiring Rios) while collecting $11 million as well? Criticize all you want. So if you could retire tomorrow, would you state under what conditions you would return, or just let employers guess?

These were legal workers. The DoL would issue about 1,000 VISAs for work on the boats. TRhey reduced the number to 400 after pressure from a couple unions. With a month or so before the season opened they started advertising for workers nationwide and through the unions. ABout 40% of the boats sat at their dock, fueled. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2010 -> 03:57 PM) Well, we've found another way to kill the gulf of mexico shrimp industry. That ought to help with the immigration problem, right?

If every drug user would also lose their jobs? They couldn't use drugs for long without income. The police would be called in and they would be arrested. Perhaps we could add large fines for companies who have drug users on their payroll. QUOTE (Y2HH @ May 5, 2010 -> 05:38 PM) No, this still wouldn't do it.

If you could retire today, would you work for any amount of money just to be working? QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 01:50 PM) Funny how Thome doesn't have a problem playing for $1.5 million. JD needs to get over himself. He's old, the market is bad, he can't play defense anymore, and he couldn't hit during the second half of last season. He's not getting Damon money, or even Teahen money.

We could also win the war on drugs if every employer drug tested every employee weekly. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 5, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) And this I wholeheartedly agree with - enforcement on businesses is a key piece to any useful legislation in immigration reform.

So what jobs do you think they are working? Yep, some are working in the restaurant industry, etc. But overall they are taking the lowest paying jobs. They are also the largest group of migrant workers. That isn't racist, that is stating facts of their employment. And last time I drove through Indiana I saw plenty of farm crops. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 5, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) I don't know when racism became OK here, but clearly not all illegals are fruit pickers. This doesn't happen just in the crop belt, or there wouldn't be illegals here in Michigan City.

And who would be working those jobs? I already saw the local shrimp industry destroyed when the DoL sharply reduced the number of temporary VISAs they would allow. For some reason there just wasn't enough epople willing to spend 10 months on a shrimp boat in the Gulf of Mexico. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 5, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) No we wouldn't, because we wouldn't have the extra 15 million or so people here.