Texsox

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 01:57 PM) It's promoting a religious activity: prayer. It doesn't matter if it's non-denominational (we swear it's not evangelical!). Is it *picky* to b**** about something so small? Sure. How about a National Day of No Prayer? I bet that would go over well. That would be the other 364 days. For some, they need that last day.

It really isn't so much having non resident aliens and tourists holding onto their papers that bothers me, I always had my FM3 (green card kind of thing) and passport with me when I was working in Mexico. It is the cloud of suspicion over citizens who looks like they may be an illegal having to keep their papers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 03:07 PM) H. Christ. Anyone want to defend this one for me? States I'm not moving to as of this week: Arizona, Oklahoma. Emphasis mine. I do not have a defense. In a world where Chinese couples abort females to keep their name going, aborting a baby with birth defects seems reasonable.

It sounds like if you are brown in Arizona you are now guilty of being here illegally until you can prove you are innocent.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 02:07 PM) Oh no, you are perfectly right. Having guys surfing porn at the SEC is a great idea while the financial system crumbles. I know, it's government, so the spending it good. I can believe you actually believe that crap, but that is a totally different story. Of course employees of private firms never surf the net for hours.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 12:39 PM) Judging by the history of governmental programs? Absolutely. I would honestly assume they were wrong until proven otherwise. I would lean more towards this reasoning than against. Perhaps if it was worded, show me the money. But we all should demand the sort of accountability.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:43 AM) Yup. One with math. That was good. BTW both of your arguments are spiralling downward, not upward as is your usual path.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) yes i meant van. And a passenger van is one thing. Look, we all know what we're talking about here. We all know what looks suspicious and what doesn't. And if you can't then you can't harass those people. That's the point. Sure a small percentage of people will get harassed for no good reason, they'll sue, and they'll most likely get compensated. That's how our system works. No different than any other law out there that cops abuse and enforce illegally. My viewpoint on this is talking with my cop buddies who work in the worst areas of Chicago. They're limited in what they can do despite what common sense would dictate. This legislation should have been worded differently, and should have included more detail as to what reasonable suspicion means. But the intent of the law is good, and I don't see much abuse happening that wouldn't happen with any other law. What paperwork will citizens need to carry to identify themselves as citizens? If you forget your wallet and perhaps get caught speeding, shouldn't you also go to jail until you can prove you are a citizen? Or will the cops have to make a judgement if you "look" like a citizen? If you "talk" like a citizen? Basically what you are saying is citizens will have to prove they are citizens if they pile into a van for a trip to the beach or ballpark.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) But you're reading it like it says if you see one brown person that's enough to pull them over. That's wrong. 14 people shoved in a fan can and should be suspicious. That's your window. White/black/brown, doesn't matter. That sounds like multiple murders on CSI: NY if you meant van, than it sounds like a Church outing in my neighborhood. If you can see them, they aren't be smuggled in.

To be fair there are other factors at work here like the exchange rate of the different currencies. And the earlier comment about Mexico makes sense to me. I know a lot of people that prefer having some medical work done in Mexico.

I just stood in front of 27 eighth grade students. It would be impossible to tell a difference between them and who may and who may not be here illegally. Basically these kids are facing a United States where they will have to prove, perhaps on a regular basis, if they are here legally or not. How would you like to have to carry your birth certificate or other government issued ID everywhere you go or risk being arrested? But hey, maybe the Constitution only applies to white people.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:18 AM) Yeah I like that one. Really brings out the spirit of the bill, no? Yep, 14 people in a van not speaking English is a routine thing here. The cops will spend all their time pulling over my neighbors and no time on anything else.

So speaking English will help assure your rights as a citizen? QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 06:48 AM) If nobody spoke English and had no ID, the same thing. Tex, I am all for going after the 'other' class of illegals as well, the ones that overstay their visas. So if Dilip, Vladimir and Svetlana are here illegally, boot them out as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/26/cheap...gery/index.html

If it was 14 white looking people with out ID what would you do? QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 05:51 PM) The bill requires immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally So, if they pull over an old van packed with 14 hispanic looking people in it for speeding, nobody speaks english and they don't have a drivers license or state issued ID, you don't want them asking if they really belong here?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 08:17 PM) So, bumpity bump. The right wingers are making fun of Obama and Joe taking three airplanes to NYC for earth day. Hey dumbasses, get the hell over it. They're entitled to it, and move on to issues that matter. Funny how this came up only a week or two we talked about this. This shows I'm not a hypocrite. It shows the real partisan crowd start throwing rocks and see if enough people join in. And you illustrate my point of how it ends. People telling their own party to stfu. So when it happens to a GOP leader the Dems need to stfu and remember Obama and Joe.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 24, 2010 -> 07:54 PM) I'm all for the demand-side changes, and penalties being made more severe for hiring or transporting illegals. My only concern is there needs to be some proof that the business knowingly hired an illegal. Imagine if a store clerk would be arrested for accepting a counterfeit bill. Same thing here. If the business has complied with all the necessary proof of the right to work and later the documents are proven to be good or great forgeries, I think it is wrong to prosecute them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 10:48 PM) Ah yes, distraction from the fact that the Federal government has completely failed in the area of immigration for generations now. I agree, they have failed. It was clear for years, even before Reagan, that we need a guest worker program. But the government knows that adding millions of low wage earners to the tax rolls is a tough financial pill to swallow, not matter who is working those jobs. Since illegals can come from anywhere, and the better educated illegals work the higher paying jobs, Arizona should start their campaign by checking all educated people of european ancestry for papers. Imagine catching someone earning $60 or $70K a year. I still have a few friends out of work that could use that job. So far they haven't been knocking down the doors to be migrant workers in the agriculture industry.

slumping is still my feeling.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 09:53 AM) I really think this is one of the major problems, he is not in sync with AJ at all, he shakes him off about every pitch. There are a few possibilities, but it would seem to me there is a lack of preperation happening here. And not to bring up old crap about AJ, but wasn't that the complaint the pitching staff in San Francisco had about him? They have to go into the game with a plan.

Since we are all on this planet together

I am still troubled by the no pre-existing clause. I see a potential for abuse. If someone decides to not have insurance, then is diagnosed with cancer, they can then buy insurance. Insurance is based in part by having the people that do not get sick pay for those that do. If people just wait until they have a major problem, it runs the cost way up.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/20/avlo...nton/index.html After a 0-12 defeat, how about a nice diversion?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 21, 2010 -> 04:29 PM) Unless you get kidnapped, shot, stabbed, etc. I'd certainly regret doing it more than I would've regretted not doing it. Which can happen driving home from a Sox game.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2010 -> 05:56 PM) Yeah, it was the legacy his dad left... Its also very questionable if Daley would have been half of the Mayor that he was if he didn't have his machine in place, and a part of that is corruption. The machine and the man is one.