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BTW DB Wouldn't it be hilarious if over Christmas I get caught by one of thsoe cameras and be 1,500 miles away in Texas when I get the ticket That would prove karma is a b**** I truly hope you weren't really upset over this. Nothing like an occassional dust up to keep the typing fingers flying.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 07:11 PM) Yeah. I did the math prior to posting that. Where the mix gets interesting is you have two parents = 2 parts They each have two parents = 4 parts They each have two parents = 8 parts So if you go back one generation you have 2 parts Go back two and you have 6 parts Go back three and you have 14 parts Two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents How did you arrive at 1/12?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 07:10 PM) There also could be circumstances where they didnt even know they got a ticket. If they are ticketing for going 10 over, a lot of people will try to go right around there and could accidentally go 11 over or just might not pay attention for a second and get ticketed. I think anytime a ticket is issued there should be a human writing it just because of all the different circumstances that could arise. What it someones pregnant or something like that. Ten over is still speeding, it isn't a new speed limit. By having a ten mile per hour margin of error, it would reduce the number of wrong tickets. One solution to help ease the inconvienence of wrong tickets is to provide that margin of error. The state is giving you 10. If the driver decides to take all ten, then sorry, they deserve a ticket for eleven over. If they drive the limit, they do not have to worry about even a five or six mile an hour increase.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 07:07 PM) 1 I agree with you 100% on. Like I tried to say, I dont go around speeding so Im not concerned about the repercussions. I never said I disagree with speeding laws. 2 This is a big problem for me because of the potential flaws. I tie this to point number 3 because I dont think any other governor, anywhere for that matter, would ever propose this. As Lostfan reiterated, I think its being proposed to give Blago more money to play with instead of for public safety and Ive had enough of Blago where this really upsets me. The question about if the proposal came from someone other than Blago would I not have a problem with it is interesting. I think i can some it up by saying, I would never like the system and he is just the icing on the cake. #2. There are potential problems with all law enforcement. You have a corrupt governor, it would stand to reason you also have corrupt cops. I'd trust a mechanical system before cops in a state with such corruption. The system will catch speeders who will pay fines. Some people will be inconvenienced, much like people have been inconvenienced in court all the time, from something minor like someone getting a parking ticket when someone borrowed their car, to something major like OJ having to go to court and prove he didn't kill Nicole or Ron. Speeding, to me, would fall way down the minor scale. Remember, money only flows in when people speed. Unless you believe thousands of tickets will be fraudulently issued. But by tying it to #3 it would seem to suggest that enforcing the law should only happen if the fines went to a good project. That we shouldn't be worried about enforcing speed laws if the money goes to a corrupt governor's special program. I believe the fines should still be enforced, and collected, and that the corrupt governors special program should be stopped. And I believe plenty of other locals and states will be using camera systems. They will get better with time. It frees up cops to work on important crimes.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:36 PM) 1/3 German, 1/4 Northern Irish/English, 1/3 Croatian/Czech, 1/12 Native American. 1/3 = 4/12 1/4 = 3/12 so 4/12 + 3/12 + 4/12 + 1/12 = 12/12 = One person. /carry on

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:50 PM) Generally speaking, this is sound advice, but doing so enables the use of a crystal ball. Do you really know someone you would trust your car to, but not trust them to admit if they got caught speeding? You would have their picture in front of you, at least according to the news report I saw. Honestly, I can not think of someone I would loan my car to that would stick me with a ticket when it has the date and time plus their picture. And honestly, we do not contest radar anymore, but that was hotly debated as well.

DB here is the problem, there are three separate issues here. Issue 1: Enforcing Speed Laws. I say yes. Don't want to pay a fine? Do not speed. Issue 2: Camera Systems. In specific areas, (work zone) for specific reasons, (existing speeding problem) I am in favor. All the arguments you bring up are the same ones that were brought up regarding radar. Issue 3: Your corrupt governor's new programs. I only recently made a statement, and I do not think it is a good idea. I really dislike the sound of special police force. Even with a honest governor. But to take part three and use it to say part 1 or 2 is wrong, uses faulty logic. Each should be debated on it's own merits.

Means QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) He is concerned about the potential margin for error which he sees as avoidable and also the fact that the real motivation for it is a revenue stream for Blagojevich, and not about actual public safety (similar to DC's red light camera system which is an absolute mess) Or something like that... he's said it several times now Got it. So if the revenue streams went to something other then this Blagojevich program, you'd be ok with it?

I still think speeders should be ticketed and fined. And still believe a camera system in work zones are a good thing. I'd suggest not loaning your car to someone who won't do the right thing if they are caught speeding. I think your governor sucks and should not be allowed to create new organizations, especially law enforcement ones. That's scary. Most Texans keep firearms locked in cases, and doubt Texas would enact a law that requires them to be in seat belts, but some people lay awake thinking about strange stuff. Feel free to laugh if that happens, I will too. We happen to have a governor in Texas that isn't corrupt.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:31 PM) Out of curiosity, youre saying that Tex interpreted what I wrote incorrectly and thats not what that meant right? So what did you mean Mr. Clinton?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:28 PM) Did you give up trying to justify your bs lies about what I said? I quoted you. Twice. It is funny you didn't even know they photo the driver. And I really wish I had paid as much attention to your posts as you have mine, I'm flattered. You seem to know so much about what I have posted and I honestly can't remember any of your posts.

http://www.dot.state.il.us/press/r020906.html http://www.dot.state.il.us/safetyEng/FactSheet_032608.pdf

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 05:16 PM) Also, the cameras take pictures of the license plates not the people. Really? Would you feel better if there was also a picture of the driver?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 04:56 PM) What does what the person looks like have to do with it? WHy should you have to go to court if you werent speeding? The camera will have a picture of you. That's why it is important what you look like. Of course in an ideal world everyone that goes to court will be guilty. But in this country, some people have to go to court when they are innocent. In fact, it seems that almost the entire purpose of our court system is to decide guilty or innocent and an appropriate punishment. QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 04:58 PM) Nice try but no. It's what you wrote. Care to explain what you meant? You said you don't care about the speeding, you care about the ticket. And I'm still reeling from being called a cowboy, and the Tony Robbins comment. That cut deep.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:51 PM) How many times have I said its not about speeding and that Im not worried about it because I care about the actual ticket. QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 04:47 PM) Tex, another great example of skipping over things. Id like you to find where I said I speed and Im upset about it because I dont want to pay fines and get caught. Since you based your argument on that, please find it or shut up about it. Right here. It's not about the speeding (crime), you care about the actual ticket (fines because they go to a corrupt governor).

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 04:45 PM) Did Tony Robbins teach you that? you hurt my feelings

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 04:45 PM) What if youre not driving or what if your car wasnt even the one speeding genius. Thats the flaw in the system. Give up already, you got nothing Perhaps if you loan your car to someone that looks exactly like you and who would not go to court and admit they were the person driving. I don't have any friends like that, perhaps you do.

I THINK SPPEDERS SHOULD BE CHARGED AND PAY A FINE! Thats it. You wont acknowledge it because its a good point and I would actually like anyone reading this to tell me whats wrong with it. So far your case against this simple concept involves california car buyers and illegal immigration. For the record, my firearms travel in cases and locked in my truck, a seat belt would be redundant.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) I can answer that, to a point. Earlier he expressed his anger at Blago wanting to institute this policy and high fines just for the purpose of creating a special fund to finance a new police tactical unit under his control. With the most corrupt governor ever, we should be fearfull at giving him any more money, or police, to play with. Now I get it. if the money is not being used for a valid purpose, speeders should not be fined. I don't see where I ever said this special fund was a good idea. That seems like two different issues.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 07:04 AM) You have hit me on the head. I don't think the government should be in my wallet or my bedroom. I think we should be paying to run the country, not borrowing money and expecting someone else down the line to pay for what we do today. If that is "in my wallet" I guess we disagree. I do think they should be out of the business of what adults with the mental capacity to consent to do in private.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:51 PM) Youre twisting of everything Im saying may dazzle some on here but you can save it on me. You can continue to pick and choose your stances or harp on insignificant points in every topic but you havent added anything to this conversation. You keep saying "Well dont speed" and you ignore everything else said. How many times have I said its not about speeding and that Im not worried about it because I care about the actual ticket. Also, where did I say say its ok to break the law because I disagree with it. *cough* illegal immigration *cough* This is also coming from someone who thought a woman who leased a car should be bailed out by the government because she couldnt afford it and you huffed at anyone asking for people to be held accountable for their own actions. PICK A STANCE ON SOMETHING See if you can follow me if I put it very basic. The camera system is flawed and their is absolute certainty there will be tons of conflicts with people getting tickets when they werent driving (parking tickets are a terrible analogy so save it, those are placed on the car at the time on the incident, not mailed to you later) Since its obvious you have no idea what goes on in Illinois government, google Blagojevich corruption and see what comes up, this isnt a conspiracy theory I have, this guy is a criminal and I doubt anyone who lives in Illinois is going to claim Im out of line. The guys budgets are so messed up that this state is going to be in unfixable for years. The last thing this guy needs is more money. The guy is also up for a raise soon. Believe me, when you start talking about the injustice of having to put a seat belt on your shotgun when its in the front seat Im not gonna chime in because Im not from Texas. So you can continue to make light of the fact that corruption is a problem in Illinois, but it is a huge problem. Also, Im not saying they shouldnt enforce the laws or that I even disagree with them. If they want to have cops running radar more aggressively than thats fine. I would say the same thing you would, well dont speed if you dont want a ticket. Basic so I can understand Speaking of dazzling, look what you have brought to this conversation. The lady in California. My bottom line position was that con men get people to do things to take their money. I said the lady could have been a victim of a con. You mentioned this as why I should not support enforcement of speeding laws. When some widow is bilked out of her life savings by a con man, you say hey, the old lady had it coming, personal responsibility, I believe the government should bail her out. Again, why did you bring this up? Because in the car salesman case I don't think someone should be responsible, I should never think anyone should ever be held responsible in any other area? GMAFB I said we need a guest worker program, tied to jobs, instead of rounding up millions of workers are crippling our agriculture industry. You twisted that into I shouldn't be in favor of any laws being enforced? Whoa, dazzling I agree corruption is a huge problem in Illinois. Hell, for the sake of this discussion, I'll say it is the worst, most corrupt state in the Union with your Governor is the worst, most corrupt Governor ever to hold office in the history of mankind. Now tell me how that has anything to do with enforcing laws and paying fines? And I understand you don't care about speeding, only if you get caught and receive a ticket. QFT: That tells me a lot about your ethics and morals. You don't mind breaking the law, you just don't want to get caught and pay a fine in the worst, most corrupt state in the Union. And since you are so consistent in your life, this must mean you don't mind breaking other laws, as long as you don't get caught. Parking tickets are a great analogy of the owner of the vehicle getting ticketed even though there is no proof they were in control of the vehicle at the time the ticket was written.

Yawn

I checking in the mirror and think my color may actually be closer to D2B48C. There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that get the references, and those that don't.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Aug 15, 2008 -> 08:40 PM) i can't believe keith foulke was higher than garland...especially with the bad blood foulke left with and the times he blasted the sox after he left..... I'm wondering if the entire starting pitching from 2005 will be represented.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 16, 2008 -> 12:13 AM) Never, unless youre my father, Ive been through fraternity beatings, getting jumped, etc. Never has one person had the best if me. Ah the wisdom to back down at times, wish I had it.