Texsox

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) I really hope you are right. because if he goes out and blows up a cafe, there is going to be hell to pay for more than one government official. We could run around and lock up everyone who disagrees with the government, but that seems like what we are fighting against. How long where you msuggesting he be locked up for? Life? Twenty years?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) what he was doing is not legal. this is obvious. he should have gotten more jail time for this felony. i just hope this moron doesn't go on a killing spree. I was responding to "what if it was me" and "what if it was Texas" questions. Did it say he was found guilty of a felony? I thought all felonies had mandatory jail time? But I still would like to know if he pled guilty in exchange for his plea. This may prevent him from legally owning any weapons. Not that it would make it impossible for him to obtain, but it does make it easier to lock him up the second time.

I am disappointed in the choice of keynote speakers because Rudy isn't the strongest family values guy out there. I would have prefered a starker contrast to the Edwards - CLinton morality plays. I also would have prefered someone who would have better moral conservative credentials.

Sad.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 03:43 PM) Tex, note the timeline. He was stopped, verbally sparred with the police, moved his hand to the center consol where officers feared a weapon, his wrist was grabbed and he was ordered out, another officer spotted the Ak-47 and THEn they forcibly removed him from the vehicle. He resisted more, was whacked with a flashlite and a taser, and STILL refused to comply. So, he didn't just simply grab a door, he reacted in a menacing way, refused to follow instructions and was combative to the police. trust me, I KNOW that some police abuse thier power and authority. But this guy deserved jail time. Yes, he has rights. The cops didn't stop him for being Muslim, they had probably cause. If he passed background checks, he can legally own a gun. he CAN'T be walking around the park with it. And if the gun is not readily visible to the officer, you are supposed to inform them that you have a firearm, on you if you have a carry permit or in the trunk if a rifle, etc. Perhaps as you hinted he may have struck a deal. if so, it had better have been a juicy one to avoid jail time. And I certainly hope that he is subject to lots of searches and suspicion for a long time. So much of this is conjecture. He moved his right wrist towards the center console where the cops worried he may have had a gun. Where was he suppose to lower his right hand too? There was no mention if a gun was there. Again, if he was walking around the park with a gun, they would have known he was armed before seeing the weapon in the backseat. So I am not agreeing he ever walked around the park if the weapon. (I also would not be surprised he did), but it just seems if he had been observed with the weapon they would have approached him in a much different manner and assumed he was armed. How much jail time? A month? Ten years? And what have other defendants received for say kicking the squad car door, twisting away, punching a cop? I don't know what other people have received and for what level of resist, so it is difficult to say he should have received this. Perhaps NSS could comment better, but I assume that 90% of the arrests involve some form of resist. I assume that not everyone puts on their own handcuffs and walks to the car. Your question was should he have received jail time and I am still of the opinion we don't have the facts necessary to make that judgment but this seems within the realm of reason. I also think he he was a white Christian with say Pro-Life pamphlets no one would blink that he received probation. I see you added. that quote. What that seems to me is the cop is looking at this wack job in face paint and getting nervous, they see a weapon and freak out and grab him and start pulling him out of the car. It doesn't say if they ever ordered him out of the car.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 01:50 PM) 9/11.... 9/11.... 9/11.... War on Terror.... 9/11.... 9/11.... 9/11.... New York.... 9/11.... 9/11.... 9/11.... Mayor.... 9/11.... 9/11.... 9/11.... John McCain is best ready to serve in a post-9/11 world where 9/11 could happen any day of the week, especially on 9/11. With all the friends we've mad the past eight years, I believe we should be even more diligent. Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Much like my son and History II in college.

One thing I know about the MLB is it takes some luck to win. Some average guys to step up and be huge. We have one more mini-slide left this season, I hope Minny slides the same time we do. I am enjoying this feeling.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 10:57 AM) So do you think he should have served jail time, or was probation appropriate? As I stated earlier, just the resisting arrest should have warrented jail time. The rest would just be mitigating factors into making it longer. Felony arms possession is also jail time (which it said he was charged with). In gun-friendly Texas, if you were pulled over with an AK-47 in your backseat and resisted arrest, would you be out of jail? There is too much we do not know before judging the judgment. First off we allow for gray areas and a sliding scale with crimes. Resisting arrest for example. He grabbed the door handle. That doesn't seem nearly as offensive as taking a swing, etc. Not being there, perhaps it was as much a reaction to being yanked from the car. I have seen, and I am certain others have, blooper reels and COPs episodes where people are dropped on their heads while getting pulled by police. It could have been as simple as that, we really don't know. We do not know what deals were struck with the prosecution. He could have agreed to plead guilty in exchange for that recommendation. He may have provided some information on others. We just do not know. In Texas, I can have a AK47 in my backseat without any problem. If after the dust settled and adrenalin stopped flowing, all I did was grab the door to my car as I was being dragged, trying to save my face from eating pavement, no, I doubt I would get any jail time. What clouds this is his thoughts and beliefs. And at least in 2008 we still convict and sentence people primarily on what they did, not on what they may have been thinking. I do know this, if this guy still has his rights, then all the good people still have theirs. When we start stripping people of their rights based on what they believe in, that gives the government way to much power in my book.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 20, 2008 -> 10:46 AM) I don't think anyone cares that he had a gun (or rather owned a gun)... I think people do care however that this guy hates America, supports people who have/want to do very bad things to this country, was walking around a park with a loaded and very deadly assault rifle, and on top of it all resisted arrest. I love it how people defend this piece of crap human being, saying he has all the rights to run around with a loaded AK-47, while supporting terrorist organizations. I love the Constitution, and there doesn't seem to be an asterisks on the Bill of Rights. The AK 47 is no more deadly a rifle as any other semi-automatic. You have to pull the trigger each time you want to discharge the weapon. Same as a innocent looking Remington. The article is unclear that he was ever observed holding the rifle. They say they saw it in the backseat and *then* knew he was armed. Based on that interpretation, it doesn't seem as if he was walking around. But I respect those that read the article and believe he was. I also support the right to free speech. There are ways of supporting terrorism that are legal. Sad, but true. Once we start restricting anti-government speech, we also restrict the "good stuff" we agree with. Dangerous territory. To be accurate, I support our Constitution, our right to arms and our right to free speech. The end result may be someone I do not agree with is using those rights. But that is a far different reality then saying anyone here is supporting this guy.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 04:06 PM) The cops arrived to begin for some reason, maybe because he was reported walking around the park with a gun. By the time they got there, he was in his car. Perhaps, but then they would have known he was armed before seeing the AK47. I think he was well known to the police and they were looking for an opportunity.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 15, 2008 -> 09:06 AM) Keenan... I've met the guy - he's an interesting character. Now of course, didn't have a deep conversation or anything, just a handshake, and an exchange of "pleasantries". He's a pretty intense guy, for sure. I think he yanked goalies around more in one week then most coaches do in a career. IIRC during the Stanley Cup run I think he had yo yo strings on the guys. But he seemed to win where ever he went.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 03:56 PM) A healthy Crede is so much better than Uribe. But Oz seems kind of perturbed so I wouldn't assume Joe will immediately take over. I guess if Joe is 100 percent healthy they might plug him back in right away. I'm guessing Oz is more perturbed with answering the same question day after day. When they see Crede in the lineup, then ask about him. Until then, go bother the trainer, the minor league coaches, or Boras.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 05:03 PM) He coulda called you a cowgirl instead. Then I'd have pissed my pants and cried I do like his posting style and flair. We need a few more people who are passionate about a subject and will come out blazing. He is a fine additional to the conservative juggernaut here.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 04:20 PM) From the story, And when did I whine about guns? I have several, am in the NRA and have fired an AK-47. It is loud and has a nice kick. And he can say all the jihad stuff he wants. but coupled with the guns and resisting arrest, i can't see how he got no jail time. Tex, even in the gun-happy state of Texas, if you were driving around with a gun in the back seat and resisted arrest, you would be spending a few nights in jail. There are two quotes and they seem to contradict each other. The article claims the officers saw him sitting in his car with the engine running, when they approached, he drove off. I don;t see where he was ever out of his vehicle. If he was earlier, they would have known he was armed, instead the article states they announced he was armed. QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) haha i love how the liberals actually defend this goof with the AK-47, claiming he has the right to run around with a machine gun threatening to kill people you guys are making my day Genius, And yep, it's the liberals and liberal organizations like the National Rifle Association who defend our firearm rights. We have to stop conservatives who are always trying to take them away.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 06:50 AM) Ha!An asskicking thread led to a fight,should have known that wouldve happened.To much testosterone being thrown around for it not to happen. I guess I got my ass kicked again, at least he didn't call me cowboy again!

See, someone exercising their right to a chemical weapon

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) oh here we go again with the psychos who think everyone should be able to own a AK-47. Hell, why stop there? Everyone should be able to build their own chemical weapons for self defense purposes. Don't mess with Texas! The right to a chemical weapons just doesn't have the same ring to it as the right to bare arms (with tattoos) . But you do have the right to certain chemical weapons. Poison, mixing ammonia and bleach, etc.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 02:44 PM) Simply owning the AK-47 wasn't the problem. Carrying it in the back seat, brandishing it in a park, resisting arrest and spouting off jihad talk all add up to a dangerous person. That is why it is so odd that he got probation. Maybe the judge didn't want to 'offend' anyone of a certain religious persuasion? Unless our Constitution is now a religion, I'm guessing the judge didn't go with that new George Dubya, "we know what you're thinking and you are guilty law". Unfortunately we still have the right to "spouting off jihad talk" aka freedom of speech. The article you posted mentions the cops seeing it in the backseat, how that becomes "brandishing it in the park". But congrats Alpha, a rare double! Typical liberal whining about guns and a follow up with typical conservative whining about speech they do not agree with. Both in the same post.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) If you have an AK-47 in yoru car then I'm all for you being labeled a terrorist. Yep, any self respecting American Patriot would have a M16

Waaay back in the dark ages of the late 1960s early 1970s, aluminum bats were invented. My team had a red model with a black rubber grip. We actually pounded it flat. Sweeeet bat. I have a Ping Eye2 sand wedge that is my baby. I love that damn club.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 09:33 AM) What about Sherman??? Everyone always forgets him! I live in the south, we like to forget Sherman

Crank up the way back machine Mr. Peabody and replace Crede with Maggs inj all thos esentences with; no one will take a chance, he hasn't run, age, health issues, Boras client, etc. etc. Somebody will take a chance It will be a big payday, with incentives for games played. He may or may not be a MLB starter for the next 10 years. I wish him the best, no matter where he winds up.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 08:44 AM) Well Iran and Iraq are Shia, and Bin Ladin is Sunni, right? Nonetheless, they do have a common enemy... and I have a feeling the money networks tend to run together, sects be darned. Common enemies makes friends faster then common likes.

Let's look at what he did. He had a weapon in his car. Call the NRA. A man has to protect himself. Lowered his hand. Dangerous stuff. Had his face painted. Face painting should be a crime. Especially at carnivals, NFL games, and during hunting season. And look at what was in his car! Boots WITH socks. Cell Phone (more like terrorist cell phones), a laptop, 2 knives, 4! Count them 4 cds, AM/FM radio, Binoculars, 2 cameras, international calling cards. Dammit, I have those things in my car. I must be a terrorist. Plus I've been seen burning American flags and teaching kids to do it.

To your headline, not the story: We have to get rid of that stupid religious freedom thing from the Constitution. What the hell were the founding fathers thinking when they came up with that? We need to adopt a national Church, just like England. That way we stop this Allah stuff while we can.