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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) gamecast froze. How did PK get on and what did AJ do? I assume that when one freezes they all freeze? CBS, etc. Or does each service use their own feed?

I forgot we had an early game today. BTW, you heard it first here, by me. Brian Anderson will be the hero of the game. Can't tell you how I know . . .

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 02:06 PM) no way... see with voting, they can round them all up and make a 1/2 hour trip to the polling place. with ID issuance, can that happen with everyone within a 1 hour period??? The pure logistics of this makes it impossible. (the reason I say 1 hour, is due to the "personal" issues that many patients deal with on an on-going basis) The nursing home/retirement home vans are running all over the place. They drop patients off here and there at Doctor's appointments, shopping, etc. Since this is a huge retirement area, I see quite a bit about it. I think the more valid point is, many are going to say why bother? We are punishing those people which may or may not be a fair price to pay. Let's remember the names are already on the voting rolls. So you have to provide a picture ID that patches a name already on the rolls. I guess the fraud this could stop is one person visiting dozens of polling places with names of recently deceased individuals.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 02:14 PM) yeah lets put it like this.....Papa Bear and Mama Bear had a daughter, named Kiddy Bear. Kiddy Bear and Papa Bear had 7 children, three of which lived with Mama Bear and Papa Bear, and three of which lived in hell with Kiddy Bear Yep. I would like to point out the media bias in these stories. Not once have I read about a woman that keeps a guy chained up in some dungeon and forces him to have sex with her. But a guy does it and it is front page news.

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QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 02:01 PM) Was the the fathers wife the mother of the imprisoned daughter? The way I have been reading the story seems like she isnt. It is a little confusing. As I read it one of the children was ill and brought to the hospital. That child, was the product of the father-daughter. The daughter was the child of the father and wife. When he brought her to the hospital he claimed, accurately, he was the grandfather. Test revealed he was also the father. That child's mother was his daughter. Any clearer? Pervert - Wife of PervertDaughter born aboveDaughter - PervertSeven Children

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) So, they'll arrange for them to vote, but not get an ID? If they can get special arrangements made for voting, I am sure they could get the same set of arrangements for getting ID's. I am certain the nice people from the Democratic party will stop by and take them to get their ids, same as they arrange for rides to the polls.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) Are you questioning my authoritay? Does it sound like I'm questioning your authority?

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) C'mon now...some animals eat their own young... Yes they do. But they do not torture them in the process, for sport, or perverse pleasure.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) Don't you know you are not supposed to answer a question with a question? Where did you hear that?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) Sounds alot like the making hybrid cars noisier problem,eh?There is such a small percentage of people who would be affected by the law, it seems stupid that they are even creating one. Exactly.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) easily Boston. I also cant stand Bears fans. That would be about 99% of this board. Good luck

And what is an acceptable number of legitimate voters being denied the opportunity to vote? It is often said, we would rather ten guilty persons going unpunished then one innocent person being falsely convicted.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) Alot of people get paychecks still. Go to any inner city currency exchange and you'll see. Those people also don't usually have bank accounts to auto-deposit to, or debit cards to draw from. You are correct, we are talking about such a small percentage of people, it seems stupid they are even creating a law. Imagine now if your picture doesn't match because you gre/shaved a beard, gained/loss weight, changed hair color, and some hyper election judge decides you can't vote.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) If they can't physically go get an id, how can they physically vote? How will they handle absentee ballots?

No animal is crueler than humans. Relatively speaking, the worst animals are more humane then humans.

Every once in a while there are solutions that are out of scale with the problem, or which create more problems then they solve. But that never stops our elected officials from enacting them if they think it will either earn them votes or cause the other party to lose votes.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) Yes it is illegal to drink underage but come on, who here actually waited until they were 21 (or 18) to start drinking? I think this complaint is equivalent to those that would complain that they got pulled over for doing 67 in a 65. If you would complain about the latter, don't complain about the people complaining about the former. Society has a method of assigning value to infractions, called fines and penalties. Traveling two mph over the limit will not usually result in an arrest. There is some relative error in speedometers and detection equipment that is factored in. There is no such error in calculating someone's birthday. Plus comparing the penalties that are involved in speeding versus underage drinking. If you did receive a ticket for two mph over, it would be a relatively cheap ticket. A personal caught underage drinking would be fined more, potentially forfeit their driver's license, and the establishment that served the alcohol could have their license suspended and a hefty fine. With the enormous pressure from lobbyists from the hospitality and liquor industry, raising the drinking age was not an easy task. Only the vast amount of independent data that youth from 18-20 put themselves and others at risk drinking, and the argument regarding age creep in drinking (18 supply 16 and 17 versus 21 supplying 19-20) allowed it to happen.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) /thread Far too simple. I am no longer surprised that some people do not know what is a right and what is a privilege.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) Cash a check, get a job, get into a bar, buy beer, take out a loan, obtain a lease, open a bank account, if you are detained by the police, .... Most of the voter ID laws contain provisions to waive the ID fees for people who cannot pay. Cash a check? Direct Deposit and debit cards Birth Certificate and Social Security Card Bar? Beer? When was the last time you were carded? No Problem Loan? Credit report, social security card. I've taken loans out over the internet. Lease? My current one did not require it. Bank Account, not certain. Detained by police? Not illegal (yet) to not carry any ID.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:20 AM) there are 13 million people here in Illinois. Assuming 0.25% of the population double votes or commits voter fraud, that runs up to 32,500 votes. and if .00025% it would be closer to 35. Even using your number, how many statewide elections were decided by fewer then 32,500 votes? And don't you think it's convenient that these measures are introduced just when anti-immigrant fervor is at its highest?

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:08 AM) is there a state or national database that checks for voter duplication? say I am registered to vote in Schaumburg and then vote to Hoffman Estates and re-register (not transfer) my new address. Is there any check/balance in place that goes back to make sure that I don't vote in both locations? I believe it is a state by state process. So you could, in theory, vote in Zion and in Kenosha. How many elections are decided by a small enough margin that fraud could tip the balance?

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:01 AM) in all fairness, just because the govt doesn't chase it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. its like saying that the Naperville police department only handed out (and thus caught) 75 speeding tickets last week, so only 75 people were speeding. In most election far less than half of eligible voters actually head to the polls, seriously, how bad could it be? I see far more stories about electioneering, mail in ballots, etc, then a person showing up and voting for someone else.

When I was an election judge in Lake County during the early 1980s, the training taught us that it was better to allow people to vote whenever possible. Most of the time the only issues were people at the wrong polling place.