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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 04:31 PM) Ah, so you are carpet bombing and basically saying because most prospects dont make it, then Jack wont. Really stuck your neck out there. Odds are Gio, Kershaw,etc etc will get ripped up at the major league level as well right? Because its the ODDS. It actually amazes me that nobody with a pedestrian fastball succeeds in the majors. I mean, if you dont light it up, dont even try right? Forget the fact that he throws a sinker. Because nobody who throws a sinker doesnt throw it HARD. Never mind the 3 HR's he gave up in 160+ innings. Forget about the fact that BP's PECOTA cards lists Webb and Wang as the most comparable pitchers to Jack. All I care about is rankings by BA, and that HARD fastball that he lacks. I will continue to ignore his stellar numbers and his great improvement over this last season. I will only pay attention to BA prospect rankings as the bible as far as baseball players go. This seriously just made my day!

QUOTE(Chombi and the Fungi @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) Definately. We all like to make jokes or serious opinions about the Cubs. In particular guys like Wood and Prior. In all honesty though, Wood I still think was an overrated strikeout pitcher who had one game that carried his career. Prior just had those fluke injuries. If he is healthy, I think all he needs is a little confidence. What better way to give the man confidence then to have a rival team show belief in him and give him an opportunity to stick it to the organization that gave up on him. I'd say give him a good deal. Overpay a little and have it loaded with incentives and options. At worst, he doesn't pan out and just gives some of our young prospects more time to develop without being bombed in the show. If he pans out and can return to form, then we stole a 15-18 game winner who is still kind of young and not quite in his prime. He wouldn't have the desperation and "savior" pressure he got on the Northside and is still comfortable because he is in a place he has lived the last 6 years. All in all. I would at least try. I do think the Cubs will keep him though (just as they did Wood) but maybe they will want to rid themselves of the memories. And yes witesoxfan, you're right. He signed that 5 or 6 year deal for like 80-90 million. I remember it now. Great points, but also I would really like the Sox to pursue guys like like taht so if they pan out then we can alteast swap them at the trade deadline for some prospects. Just look at all the guys like that this past year, Dotel, Gagne... those guys signed relatively cheap deals and let their teams trade them for good prospects. It wouldnt cost the Sox much, maybe a couple mill, while enabling them to either find a spark plug to help the team compete or they can trade them to reload the farm.

Just got back from my own game, damn this is quite the pitching duel, of course Zambrano has less to worry about. Still very impressive by both so far

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) I thought Ozzie liked Luis Terrero too!? So I am not sure what happened there, but I am guesing for sure that Erstad is back. He is a past gold glove winner so defense should still be a strength. Health is anyone's guess though. Now Gonzalez that's another issue. He can't play thirdbase and watching him at bat he looked lost. I am really looking forward to off season moves also. Thinking it will be fun. I would much rather have Terrero than Erstad. Cheaper, plus more potential. LT looked to be pretty good defensively, you can correct me if im wrong since i dont get sox games too much (only wgn). I dont mind paying Erstad $1 mill, but 3.5 is alot for a backup who is below average at what he does (little speed, no pop, very injury prone, and doesnt hit for a high average.)

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) I would absolutely move Fields back to 3B and watch him suck, put Bonds in LF and watch him suck, put the best defensive CFer that can be found, and find a shortstop, and watch everything else just fall into place. How much would you have the Sox pay him to play for us? I def. wouldnt pay him $15 mill. a year. Maybe $8.5 mill (combined Crede and Erstad)

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 09:24 PM) Classy move on their part. I see they are still bitter over 2005. Seriously, so theyre right what, once out of every 2 or 3 seasons? thats either 50% or 33%, either way they fail.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) What, exactly, do you expect from Atlanta for Anderson? Andersons trade value is so low that I would rather hold onto him since he still has the potential to become a starter in the future. Why trade him just to trade him? The deal in return would most likely be crap.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Sep 30, 2007 -> 12:11 PM) It is clear that if the Sox want to contend next year in the AL, we need a starting CF (starting caliber,) a shortstop, another starter and 2-3 solid bullpen arms. For all those needs and for those to be good players, it will cost upwards of $30 million dollars. With our payroll at nearly $100 million already, there is no way we can add on that much payroll. Don't be hopeful this off-season, Hunter is not coming to the Sox because he costs too much, Rowand might have played him out of the Sox's price range, so we will be left with Jerry Owens and Omar Vizquel, as the solutions. To get my point out there, I dont want Bonds here. I think he is a sleazeball. Now if all we needed was a DH to be legit WS contenders, I would do it, but we need too much. Im probably in the minority here, but I believe Owens could turn into a quality leadoff man, one who hits around .300 and steals atleast 50 bases. As for competing next year, I say we trade for furcal, plug him in #1, and put Owens in the #9 spot. You increase the teams overall speed, fill the leadoff spot, and save money in CF. I would much rather have Uribe than Vizquel, atleast Uribe has potential to be a good hitter, and he is still a good defensive shortstop.

What do you guys think of this? source: whitesox.com could it mean bonds is brought in?

whitesox.com article thoughts?

LT!!!!

QUOTE(scenario @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) No problem. I followed the Sox minor league teams, particularly Great Falls, pretty closely during the second half... even listened to quite a few games via Internet radio. With the big league club bowing out early, it was nice to have something positive baseball-wise to look forward to. This was a pretty magical year for Great Falls. They had the best winning percentage of any WhiteSox farm club since 1989. We had the Pioneer League pitcher of the year (Moreno) and Poreda outpitched him but didn't have enough starts to qualify. Add on top of that, the best hitting team in the league with 5 players who had a .900+ OPS. Five... on one team! Pretty stunning when you think about it. I think next years Kannapolis club is going to look alot like this year's Great Falls team, only adding Logan Johnson + Nick Mahin. Could be a very good season for the Intimidators. This is giving me hope for the future. I would really like the SOx to become more like the Braves in that they instill that winning atmosphere early on and make the players feel good about the teams they play on. That winning atmosphere can give players the confidence to reach their potential at a higher rate I believe.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Sep 15, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) Trading either Danks or Gio would be fine with me. Trade both even. Neither one is an elite pitching prospect. I agree that Danks looks like a 5th starter with limited upside right now. Wow, think about what you just wrote. Trading away a 22 year old lefty who basically only struggled late in his rookie season, and then trading away one of your top 3 if not your best pitching prospect... for what? what do you believe would give the sox a better chance to compete in the future? I think the sox will go into 2008 with this: #1 Beurhle #2 Vasquez #3 Garland/Count #4 Danks #5 Floyd I believe they may even trade both of Count/Garland to free some cash, but may keep count to raise his value possibly and wait until one of haeger/phillips/broadway/EGGY/gio/etc. proves they are ready to contribute.

I wouldnt really care where we picked as long as we made a good pick. But the sox have proved that they dont draft the best guys out there, and i think an oppurtunity like a #1 pick would force the sox to draft the best and not the most signable. Nobody can deny that a team needs a good draft and development to succeed. Look at the Red Sox, yes they have expensive guys with heavy contracts but they can afford those because they have younger guys playing key roles cheaply. I dont think KW and JR would ever pass up the next Pujols or ARod

Now im not saying we should sign him, but just a tidbit on Hunter. Today at a hitting lesson my coach told us how Torii has his barrel of the bat in the strike zone for 6 feet. 6 FEET! Thats absolutely rediculous, and that swing will help him make good contact even if he is a little late or early. (I believe most major leaguers avg. around 4-5 feet in the strike zone.)

I believe Kenny also asked for Pence, and the Stro's said no way. But if we couldve added an extra piece or two, like thornton and a prospect for pence to be included I would have gladly have done it. but this is all hindsight seeing that thornton had a bad year and the two pitchers had decent years when I personally believed they wouldnt be all that great (which they still may turn out to be). But Taveras does intrigue me, and seems to be a trade candidate for the sox this offseason but the asking price may be to high now and also I dont know his splits for at coors and else where

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 11:13 PM) I'll play along -- IF we're willing to spend over 20 million for Rodriguez, there are going to be quite a few changes within the rotation and lineup. Cheap alternatives need to be scattered around the diamond to offset Rodriguez' salary. For one, I don't believe we'd sign Eckstein; Richar would be the option. It'd have to be almost necessary for Williams to acquire someone cheap AND talented for LF, because Fields would undoubtedly play 3B. Contreras and Garland would be gone as well. Likely to be replaced by two of Floyd, Egbert, Gonzalez, Broadway. Is a lineup of.. FA/Prospect in LF Owens Dye Fields Rodriguez Richar Konerko Thome Pierzynski and rotation of Buehrle Danks Gonzalez Egbert Vazquez capable of reaching the playoffs? Depending upon the LFer, the progression of Richar and Fields, and whatever we receive from Egbert and Gonzalez, it'd atleast be an interesting ballclub. I doubt they'd reach the playoffs, but attention would certaintly be on the ballclub with Rodriguez. You'd just have to ignore Boras as his agent, or the likelihood New York retains him. Which are fairly important items and just about render the enter scenario unlikely. Well what if traded Garland for a sweet pitching prospect who could step in now? Or maybe KW deals for a stud OF with Garland? If we go with that plan that you have I expect some major prospects being able to step in immediately or very soon

Yo guys, I am a senior in high school now, woooh! But that also means I need to start applying to schools. Im looking at these schools, Illinois, Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Bradley, and Illinois State. if you want to share some info on any of these schools please be my guest, or recommend a school that you enjoy(ed) or have heard great things about. Thx for the help! (Oh I am looking into business and would like to stay in the midwest (hence all the big ten schools listed) although the west is possible.)

two out walks always come back to haunt you

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 08:54 PM) I don't want to get into a huge NBA debate here, but I'll say it's close. Definitely not top 5. Lebron, Carmelo, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, Arenas, Wade, Yao... And he was 17th in scoring. I hate those pictures of Noah you have, one of the ugliest athletes i know of (although far from jorge cantu), but i do wish he develops into a good playa for the bulls

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 08:49 PM) Though I understand your point, I don't want that. Paulie is one of the few players that makes us proud, even in loss the dude is still a stud, a class act, a leader, and a winner.... We just need to put some friggin people in front of him. I mean i dont really want to trade them, as those two and beurhle give you a very strong core to work with. Its a shame that almost everybody else took a step down from last year (offensively and bullpen) to really hurt this team. They give us reason for hope though, and as you said all three are class acts which makes it all that much more fun to watch them

I love Paulie, I almost wished we would trade him and Thome so that they wouldnt have to go through a season like this

QUOTE(shadowspy1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:32 PM) I'd be willing to pay a chunk of his salary to ship him out. You should contact the sox then and give them your credit card number

Braves are wheeling and dealing, even though i dont think this would be such a great move, yes arroyo had a good season last year but ive never thought too much of him, plus the braves seem to be getting much more expensive very quickly, and will be pretty bare with ready prospects to fill in without escobar

QUOTE(That funky motion @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) ensberg! (sp) loretta would be a much better upgrade, and has great connection with SD fans ensberg prob. wont bring much back, worse than a dubee