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QUOTE(ptatc @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 07:58 AM) Right out of a Bill James textbook. There are other factors. The stress of the pitcher throwing over to first if a guy has a reputation to steal. Believe it or not pitchers are human they can become distracted and worry about a guy threatening to steal. This has become more apparent in today's game because few players steal as much so the pitchers are uncomfortable when they see it. both views have their advantages and disadvantages that's why I think a good mix is the way to go. One doesn't need to be stuck to one particular way. But I do like the overall philosophy of there are many different ways that players can be useful, they just don't all boil down to numbers. The best comparison I can make from last year would be Kevin Youkilis to Jimmy Rollins. Youkilis - .279/.381/.429/.810; 5 of 7 in SBs (71%); 100 runs scored; 669 PA's (6.69 PA/RS) Rollins - .277/.334/.478/.812; 36 of 40 in SBs (90%); 127 runs scored; 751 PA's (5.91 PA/RS) And Youkilis led off 95 games for the Red Sox last year too, and he never hit below 4 in the order, so he was constantly hitting in front of Manny and Ortiz, which makes up for Rollins hitting in front of Utley and Howard. The averages and OPS's are the same for all intents and purposes. However, the difference lies in Youk's superiority in getting on base, and Rollins superiority in getting into scoring position. It's quite easy to see which is more effective. Now, there's about one variable I can think of that may have had an effect on this, and that would be the pitcher in the NL making the 3rd out on a regular basis, thus giving Rollins more chances to score upon leading off an inning. I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I'd guess that may have an effect on around 5-7 runs at the very most, which still leaves him at 6.26, well ahead of Youkilis.

QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 09:12 PM) Thats what I've been saying in my last 4 or so posts on this subject. Apparently having intangibles makes you Rex Hudler. One of those intangibles is he has hit very well in the post-season. If you were to say he's clutch, then it's true, it is an intangible. The fact that he has hit well in the postseason is not an intangible but rather a written down and concrete fact. And it is true, except against the Sox. Whether you believe in clutch is a completely different matter in its own. I do to an extent, but I'm not even sure if I'm in the majority or not.

QUOTE(Beltin @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 08:07 PM) Okay. I won't argue whether the GG is a joke or not with you, but do you think Erstad was worthy of a "true" GG (as opposed to the joke that it truly is) in the years he won it? I'm not him, but the answer is yes. Let me throw it back at you...does it matter at this point?

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 07:00 PM) I do not want Haeger anywhere near this rotation. Gavin Floyd will surprise you all. I agree completely

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) that is wonderful

QUOTE(hi8is @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) i just found this out and figured it was note worthy.... last year he got paid 8.75 million. It has been pointed out before. It's sad that the Angels screwed themselves over that badly, and it's scary that KW almost traded Garland and Singleton for him. Another guy I would have loved, but would have cost a player rather than just a FA signing, is Brady Clark. He's also a guy I would not have minded starting in CF for the Sox either.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) Did you guys walk 12 miles in the snow with out shoes to get to school as well? uphill both ways with the wind in their faces

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 10:06 PM) 10 SB's, .380 OBP>>> 55 SB's, .335 OBP Depends a ton IMO. Is that .380 OBP composed of a .380 SLG, or a .480? What is the second guy's SB% and SLG%? If his SB% is like 66% like Podsednik's, then he shouldn't be trying to steal that friggin much in the first place. If it's 80-85%, he's money. If his slugging is in the .450-.500 range, he's valuable too. That's why I would have had no problem with Rollins as a leadoff hitter. He makes up for his low OBP by being in scoring position a ton. However, I'm throwing variables into the equation. In almost every other example, I agree completely with you.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 10:18 PM) IIRC, Wite was the same guy that predicted Iowa to go to the Final Four last year. So he has no credibility. I hate you for remembering that. And that's basketball, give me a break, please!!!

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 01:07 PM) People simply don't realize how much a dropoff this team will have if Briggs goes. There is NO linebacking depth on this team, and Briggs is one of the 3 best OLB's (either OLB spot) in the game. Oh I wasn't referring to the Bears need for OLB depth, or how vital Briggs is. I just want the Bills to sign him, and they are interested in him, so, hence, nooooooooo I think it's quite apparent that he is valuable to this Bears team.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 08:57 AM) I just hope I don't have to get a replacement jersey for Briggs, WE HAVE 22 MILLION IN CAP ROOM, PAY THE MAN!! noooooooooooo

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 02:36 AM) 12-0, and it's not going to get much better beyond that for the Bears on this board. wow 73-1 There's your answer bro

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 11:13 AM) No, espn does games on the west coast as well. I remember a couple years ago the Sox had a few games on ESPN (one of which was a McCarthy start against the Angels). And personally speaking, I don't see why people compare the Cubs and Sox. Sure they are in the same city but both teams are ran independently and the Sox are equal owners with Comcast so they could negotiate out as many games as both sides were willing to go. And if WGN wanted to show only Cubs games than that is there freaking right (they don't have to put the Sox games on or negotiate with the Sox to get a deal that natoinally televises about a game per week). GMAFB amen God I'm so sick of Cubs/Sox comparisons.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) Obviously there are a few different factors that play into things, but I'm surprised and disappointed with didn't see Preston Wilson's name linked with the Sox. Makes a ton more sense than Erstad IMO. that

No snow in the Dakotas until December 27th. It's snowed probably 8-10 times in very good amounts since.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 02:58 PM) Samardzija will never be confused as being Intelligent Samardzija = Farnsworth Jr. A guaranteed $8 mill and a longer life is dumb?

12-0, and it's not going to get much better beyond that for the Bears on this board.

I'm a Bills fan championships dont come often

QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 11:34 PM) I wish my letters worked so I could debate, but here goes... I'm not saying hes here to teach Brian. I am saying Brian could learn stuff from him. Coaches and teammates are two different things. Having Erstad to just even talk to about certain things, I would be willing to bet Erstad would be willing to help him, he's a grinder and has always seemed like a good clubhouse presence. Cool lets have Harold talk to Brian about centerfield, wow I want to be on that team. I waz just bringing up a possibility. Yah I agree I don't want him DHing etc, but this is an added bonus. Remember Uribe a few years ago batting his ass off, .200 hitters have good starts sometimes. Erstad has something to prove too. Your looking at this way too narrowly IMHO. There's possibility for Anderson to learn a thing or two from Erstad. It shouldn't be counted upon however. I really can't say one way or the other how willing Erstad will be to help Anderson. I've never met the guy, and I've never really heard anything about him in the clubhouse. And it's also obvious Anderson wouldn't talk to Baines about CF. He'd talk to Baines about hitting. Baseball teams have coaches and instructors at some level for absolutely everything. Hell, if he's struggling badly enough at the plate, I'm sure he could call an old hitting coach and see what advice he has to offer. Frank Thomas has done it before. The comparison to Uribe really doesn't work out either. Uribe was a 25 year old hitter when the White Sox traded for him who'd shown flashes but never any consistency. Erstad's an 11-year veteran whose best days are likely behind him. Maybe I'm completely wrong, and there's something behind the numbers and numerous injuries that I'm missing here. I probably am. I just can't persuade myself to like this move at all, and if I can't do it, no one will be able to (except maybe Erstad and about $50K). QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 11:49 PM) Funny that u have my whole post in front of you but somehow you reckon that I said previous GG's mean "current" above average defender. What I actually said or implied was that he would be a better option then Mackowiak in center since he has won 2 gold gloves at the position compared to 0 for Mac ( and I'll go out on a limb to say Mac will never win any GG's in center). Gold Glove winners have intangibles that Mac doesn't such as getting a good jump, a good read, taking good routes , hitting cutoff men, and throwing to the right base. You do not lose these intangibles because you have lost a few steps. But because of the lost speed I doubt he'll play much center unless the time off last year did a lot of healing. He's 32 yrs. old not 42. He's very capable of off season conditoning to strengthen his body. The Sox brass has to be pretty satisfied in his current condition to even consider signing him. Gold gloves are the about the WORST argument you can use to defend a player defensively. Torii Hunter won a gold glove this year based upon reputation, and Derek Jeter has won back to back gold gloves because he's a really good hitter. And how much does it matter how good he is defensively if he can't stay healthy when in CF?

QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 11:19 PM) Your just being difficult. BA should watch how Ozzie gets ready for a game?! Goes about stuff game day, its not like Erstad was a defensive OF... its different. And never say never.. C'mon Steve, the coaching staff is not exclusively Ozzie. Players don't get better because they are surrounded by good players, otherwise Podsednik, Uribe, and Anderson don't have s***ty years offensively last year. Coaches and instructors - Harold Baines, Joey Cora, Greg Walker - get paid for a reason, and it's not to sit around and do nothing. They are the ones who are supposed to help Anderson, not Erstad. I also highly doubt Erstad is here just to teach Anderson; he's still trying to earn paychecks for future seasons. For all we care, he might not give a s*** about Anderson.

QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) He's won 3 gold gloves in his career. 2 in center and 1 at 1st base. So for those saying he's now comparable to Mac in center and I'll ask how many GG's does Mac have in center ? I lied. This is my second to last post in the thread. How many more times has Erstad been on the DL in his career? How many more season ending injuries has Erstad had than Mackowiak? When was the last time Erstad played CF without getting hurt? I think I know the answer to the last one. It's 2002, which means 5.YEARS.AGO.

QUOTE(spataro51 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) True it is irrevelant but when do you see a guy go from making almost 9 mil one year to making less then 1 mil the next.....i would of thought he wouldn't of settled for that less... I would of expected him to sign for at 3mil or so....I am just saying IN this years FA market and for what he can do on the field we got a heck of a deal. It doesn't happen often because s***ty players aren't often signed to 4 year, $32 million contracts And he can barely do anything in the field anymore without tearing something. edit: and I'm gonna be done with this thread now because I am being just ridiculously negative about a move that likely will have little effect on the team. I just see it as Timo and it will drive us crazy, so that's the only reason I'm a little upset.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 08:14 PM) But...that assumes everything goes well. If you recall, Pods was supposedly ready to start ST on time last year, but wound up unable to play for pretty much the whole time because he was dealing with scar tissue from the surgery. This is true. I should have thrown a should in there. QUOTE(spataro51 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 08:25 PM) 750,000 is a great deal considering that i am assuming that erstad made and don't quote me but 8.25 mil last year to play 40 games... actually and i just checked on espn it was 8.75 mil WHAT A DEAL!! Who cares what his salary was last year? That is completely irrelevant this year.

Pitching relies upon defense. It is a factor, believe it or not, and Erstad is worse (perhaps much worse) defensively than Anderson is. QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) So Pods is out 6 weeks starting when? Starting today, spring training, or the regular season? Im guessing the regular season.. so we won't get Pods back until Mid-May which makes this signing much more valuable. I'm guessing he'll be the fulltime LF until Pods comes back. I also expect Gooch to play temporary leadoff man. Good move KW, low risk may result with high reward. Starting today. So he'll be ready to start ST after about the first or second week.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) I'll try mine... AVG - .192 (77/400) HR - 77 RBI - 77 Believe we have a winner