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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 14, 2014 -> 09:27 AM) I'll never understand having a 2nd favorite team. Doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm just weird. Agreed. There's one favorite team and then you can kind of have a pet team (or teams) that change from year to year that you love watching.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 14, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) His war would have 5th on the staff at the cost of nothing. It's a hole. That's besides the point. The Sox are a better team with Adam Eaton than they are Hector Santiago.

He also averaged 84.5 pitches per start. As Dick pointed out, he averaged less than 5 innings a start (117.2 IP in 24 GS comes out to 4.9 IP per start, so somewhere between 4.2 and 5 IP per start). That's an average of 17+ pitches per inning. I'm not saying Hector Santiago is a bad pitcher - he is inefficient, but he's not bad. I will say I'm glad the White Sox have Adam Eaton instead of Hector Santiago.

It's amazing the smear campaigns you see upon players leaving an organization. The Sox used to be notorious for doing that type of thing, but they've gotten much better about it in recent years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 04:23 PM) The only way we trade Danks is either if the Sox pick up a ton of salary (um, lol) or bring back a bad contract in return. Tell me which of those you prefer, and then I will consider a proposal containing the idea that John Danks won't be back next as "serious". The Sox history shows the biggest possibility is that the Sox do exactly what is bolded above, as they have shown a history to do when a guy isn't a problem in the clubhouse in addition to sucking. Frankly, I think a lot of this has to do with how close they believe they are to competing and if trying to reclaim value in Danks is going to justify that. I don't expect Danks to be moved, but I am on record saying that I wouldn't be surprised if they do and that I could see them eating money, even if it's selling at his lowest point. We saw precedent for Hahn doing this with Keppinger and it may be that the team is willing to eat money if they feel they have no need for player anymore. I don't see them eating $27 mill, but $10-12 mill is a possibility, and I think there are teams who would consider him for that price. The Sox do this if they feel that a 7 man starting staff of Sale, Quintana, FA, Rodon, Noesi, Bassitt, and Carroll (not necessarily in that order or in that time) will suffice. I will also say that a move to LA for Ethier (with the Sox chipping in a couple of prospects, none of whom would be worth losing sleep over, and the Dodgers possibly including some money as well) makes a lot of sense if the Dodgers are ok with Danks as a 5th starter/long man.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) More at link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2215272...ium=br_whitesox The Sox played 20 different teams this year, which kind of goes to show you how consistently Abreu was going deep this year.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) a brutal comparison Actually, it's a fairly complimentary comparison.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) *gets popcorn* *takes pants off*

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) I heard this from people that were at the Podsednik walk off in the world series. People flip out when crazy things happen, im sure there are many fans that feel their stadium was the loudest ever when [insert amazing feat] happened. That Podsednik homer was by far the loudest I've ever screamed watching an event. Also, one of my angriest memories was game 3 when Konerko GIDP'd after Dye led off with a single. Then Geoff Blum became a trivia question and a White Sox legend.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) Dick Allen once hit 2 in one game for the White Sox. No need to talk about yourself in the 3rd person like that. I do agree that it'd be nice if they separated them both for pitchers and hitters, because even with so few, it's still a more accurate portrayal to indicate that an inside the park home run is 100% a ball in play.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) Home Runs don't count as a ball in play? That's a new one to me. I never knew that. What if it is an inside the park? They will count an inside the park homer the same as they do a regular home run, which isn't necessarily fair and could or should be something they account for in the future, but the difference is usually so small that it rarely makes a difference. I honestly can't remember any player ever hitting 2 inside the park home runs in a season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) I think your math is a little off. If he has 600 plate appearances and 55 walks and nothing else, he has 545 AB. Subtract 200 strikeouts. 345 x .350=121. 121/545=.222 and 121+55/600=.293, and the slugging would be 25 x2= 50 + 20 x 4=80 + 76 singles =206/545=.378 .222/.293/.671. 20 home runs too, which do count as hits but are not a ball in play. 325 x .350 = 113.75, which I rounded up to 114 plus 20 home runs, which is 134 hits.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) Worth pointing out in addition is that Davidson's K rate in 2014 was well above his K rate for 2012-2013 and really every year of his minor league career beforehand. Last year he struck out in >30% of his plate appearances. As a 21 year old in AA he only struck out in 21.9% of his plate appearances. His K rate last year was one and a half times what it was a couple years ago when he was still in a fairly advanced minor league level. That's fine, but I don't think it's unrealistic to think that even if his K rate improves to 25% next year or even 20% at the AAA level that it's outlandish to think he could be in the 27-32% area at the MLB level. Guys will strike out more in the majors because the pitchers are much, much better. Improving his contact ability should be priority #1 and once you get to that point, you can hope that his power improves beyond what it already is. You can't give up on him at this point, but it's hard to count on him at this point too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) He strikes out wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much. He is a 200 strikeout guy right now, at the major league level.. If he gets 600 AB and fans 200 times that is 400 AB where he hits the ball. Even with a .350 BABIP, he is a .233 hitter, and it's not like he is a 100 walk a year guy, or a 40 home run guy at the moment. This is a really good post and outlines the general concerns with Davidson extremely well right now, but I think it's a little off. We'll say in 600 plate appearances, he strikes out 200 times, walks 55 times (9.5% or so, which is his career rate), and 20 homers. We're also going to make a few more assumptions - no sac flies, no HBP, 25 doubles, and no triples. With a .350 BABIP - which is still incredibly high, which is what you were getting at to begin with - his triple slash is .246/.315/.411/.726. That's a little above league average overall for 3B - .259/.318/.397/.715 - but is still not good. And remember, that's with a .350 BABIP which is incredibly high. There are a lot of flaws in Davidson's game and a lot of it is corrected if he makes better contact, but that's a whole lot easier said than done.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) Ugh, I'm not even going to start.... At this point, it's true. The Sox still have Davidson, so we can hold out hope that he improves next year, but there was nothing incorrect about that statement at all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 10:29 AM) The further into the playoffs KC goes, the more pressure there will be for the Royals to re-sign Shields. While I agree, this also isn't like the NFL where you're pretty much forced to re-sign a player like that (as was the case with Flacco in Baltimore). If he prices himself out of their range, they'll just have to let him go.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 10:32 AM) Just make him our new Axelrod. That's Scott Carroll if it's anyone. Bassitt is a hell of a lot more talented than Axelrod.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 11, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) How high of a ceiling can be projected for a player that's struggling to hit his way out of AA? That's why I say, AT THIS POINT, when I refer to his ceiling is lower than Danks floor. Danks has made it to the big league club, something ( at this point) I doubt Trayce will be able to do. I hope I'm wrong. His ceiling can still be pretty damn high because he's an incredibly talented individual. Trayce Thompson's ceiling and talent level is that of a 3-4 WAR player who makes an All-Star appearance or two, but his floor is that of a guy who will never get out of AAA. I also doubt Thompson will ever get to the majors and turn into a steady performer. Jared Mitchell's ceiling is higher than Jordan Danks' too. Just because a guy has a higher ceiling and is more talented overall means relatively jack squat.

Bassitt is really impressing. I think he breaks camp with the Sox next year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 10, 2014 -> 11:38 PM) Royals had almost EVERYTHING go against them for 5 straight innings (except for Herrera getting out of the 6th with only one Finnegan run given up) and still persevered. The Orioles didn't have the best of luck either. Britton was wild in the 9th there, but that ump was squeezing him a bit too. I had no idea why Buck left O'Day in to face Gordon though. Right handed submariner against their best left handed hitter?

Oh, and doesn't Colletti have to actually be relieved of his duties before they can start doing this stuff?

Kenny, do not do this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) For what we paid for Viciedo, we won that one too. $10 million over 4 years is nothing. No, and he is an incredibly talented player, you can see that, it's just the failure of getting those results out of him on a consistent basis that has done him in.

Not that quarterback rating is the best way to judge QBs, but does football have a different variation of it that regresses it to league average, ala OPS+, ERA+, wRC+, etc?

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 10, 2014 -> 02:04 PM) At the time, I don't see it as inaccurate. Trayce continues to stuggle at Birmingham and shows no signs of being ready to make the jump to Charlotte. If he does manage to make the jump to Charlotte, how long will he need to spend at Charlotte adjusting to better pitching before he might ready for a call up? Danks floor has shown to be a quality backup OF with some pop at the major league level and yet, so far, Trayce still struggles with AA. This makes it rather difficult for me to see much of a ceiling with Trayce, at this point. I really hope I'm dead wrong and should Trayce prove me wrong in the future I will happily admit it. But for now, IMO, his ceiling is lower than Danks floor. I hope he changes my opinion, I really do. There's no way Thompson's ceiling is lower than Danks' floor. Basically you are saying that if everything goes right and he develops into all of his talent, he'd be no better than Danks at his worst. That's crazy. Even with his struggles, Thompson is still a 4 tool player. If he doesn't hit for a high average, he could still further develop his power and turn into a Chris Young or Drew Stubbs type of player. That has value and it's a hell of a lot more than Danks' floor. For the record, here was the average line at AA: .254/.328/.382/.711. And here is Thompson: .237/.324/.419/.743. Danks has already proven he can be a player of some value, so that's good, but Thompson has a ceiling that is still very high, and I'm not even a big fan of Trayce Thompson. Just better hope danman doesn't see this.