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QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 06:46 PM) Then that's not the type of player we want on the Sox... thus, he should be traded

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) .450 batting average .448 OBP (yes, it's lower) 1.100 SLG% 1.548 OPS 4 HR 24 RBI's 20 at bats oh, but those pesky 8 strikeouts Ridiculous. Jesus, he is awful, I can understand why no one would want him up with a runner on 3rd and less then 2 outs. THOME YOU SUCK

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 03:42 PM) Worse contstucted sentence of my life. Probably worst spelling right there too

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) You just compared Crazy Carl and his .650 OPS to Paul Konerko and his .1000 OPS? Booooo stupid comparisons. Hurray Jim Thome and his 31 HR. Um, Crazy Carl's .650 OPS would destroy Konerko and his .1000 OPS It's a typo, I know From what I've seen, Thome's gotten pull happy and is trying to yank everything over the wall. That's cool when the pitcher doesn't know you're trying to do that, but when he does, than it's stupid. I want to see him hit 2 balls into the left field bleachers when the Sox play Texas. BTW, what would be wrong with having Sosa numbers? The guy had respectable numbers until last year. He was a dick, but he was a good hitter.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 05:56 PM) Getting an All-Star closer for a middling starter with an 86mph fastball isn't "getting the bad end of the deal." It's winning the trade hands down. And then when Garcia can "magically" throw it 91-94 again next year and has a pretty solid year cuz he needs some more green...then what? I think Gillick would do it(because I'm sure he still likes Garcia a little from his Seattle days...or perhaps that's what would drive him away, I'm not sure), and the value is there, and I see no reason why the Sox wouldn't do it, seeing as how much they've soured on Garcia.

I'm going to bump this with no update on the situation, just due to a thought I had. This Sox team is composed mainly of guys with World Series rings, largely from the group last year. It also appears that there is a little less motivation and a little less hunger and fire in this team than last year. Obviously there are some who weren't on last year's team(Thome, Vazquez, Thornton, Cintron, Mackowiak, Riske, and not much more after that), but by and large this is last year's team. With that in mind, consider that Tom Gordon is a 38-year old pitcher who's had a very long and very successful career in the majors, and it's close to being over. He's still a very solid reliever with excellent stuff, which makes him more attractive, considering his stuff will probably not degrade a ton over the next two years, barring injuries, so it would be a decent long-term investment. And even though he's been on quite a few winning teams, he has no World Series ring. With all that in consideration, I would have to imagine that he probably wants a ring quite badly before he hangs up the cleats. The bullpen is without much guidance at all, other than what they went through last year, and he'd help to provide it with some leadership. It's also the type of big, yet not earth-shattering move that may help start some good baseball over a period of time. Just throwing it out there, because I think Tom Gordon would be a huge addition to the team, both mentally and personel wise. Of course, if the cost is Fields or Sweeney, you'd try and offer them a package of perhaps Tracey and Broadway. If that wouldn't work, I'd probably try and work on Garcia for Gordon straight up(and while I understand Garcia is in his prime, and is signed to a relatively large deal, he could be attractive to the Phillies due to his contract being affordable, and any potential value he may have this year or next could be used to net some prospects for them). You would be getting the bad end of the deal, all things considered, but that would definately be a huge wake-up call to the team.

QUOTE(Contreras @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) If loving Valenstasche is wrong, I don't want to be right. Has any other ballpayer ever had such rugged good looks? Never And he was the best baserunner I ever saw /hawk

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Rondell White so far is 3-3 2HR and a double LOL, I said to my dad "Hey, that's not looking like a bad signing afterall" to which he replied "It's f***ing July"

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:55 PM) i confused you with whitesoxfan101 the one who has a name close to mine and the black kid with huge lips as his avatar. lol

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 03:51 AM) Yes correct me if im wrong but hasnt wite said some ridiculous stuff in the past as well. Ill give him enough credit that he isnt as ridiculous as Jeckle but I remember some pretty ??? posts where Wite was serious. Hey buddy, I'm still here. No need to talk s*** when I can read everything in plain English. About the only crazy thing I can think of that I have said in the past is that Jose Valentin is like the greatest player in baseball history, and the stats back me up on that one too. I

8.2 IP. 3 hits(I say 2 because Lee was so f***ing out on that ball hit up the middle). 7 K's. It was his first start against Tampa, so I won't orgasm about how amazing he is... ...for now

Umps won the game for the Yankees tonight...thanks jackasses.

I think it's probably a little bit of mental and mechanical issues. Easy to say, but he's complained about the QuesTec system before, in it's first year in US Cellular...it would be very easy for something like that to get into your head and cause you to get frustrated. The mechanical is obvious...he's leaving the ball up and his control isn't there. If he gets that back, he'll be fine...that's pretty obvious. Also, a dead arm period wouldn't surprise me. Just because the guy throws it 88-91 tops doesn't mean he's not throwing the ball his hardest. You put as much stress on your arm as starting pitchers do, and it's going to get sore and tired and "dead" - I don't care if you can throw it 85 or 100

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) I think, WS winners or not, Kenny will be on the move again for more help like he did with Thome. Or Geoff Blum Afterall, Blum was acquired mid-season, whereas Thome was acquired in the offseason.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) Think they'd have any interest in Politte? Maybe we can swing Widger over to them too he can serve as a team leader and teach the youngin's a thing or two about how to play in the bigs, I heard Scott Kazmir has fallen out of favor with management down in Tampa and is currently on the block, I really think we can put together a package for him. We should offer Ernie Young and Jeff Farnsworth to them...those two are just straight up destroying AAA right now.

I figure any trade of Wells to the Sox would involve Anderson...I just don't see any way around it. If Toronto still wants to make a run this year, it's going to be Garcia and Anderson for Wells and a prospect/reliever best case scenario, and that's just flat out not using your bargaining chips very well at all. And besides, as much as I like Wells or Jones or any of those stud CFers, power is not a problem of the lineup long-term or short, and CF is quite frankly not a problem long or short term either.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:30 PM) Some day people will realize that the Devil Rays have absolutely no use for any of Podsednik, Garcia, Vazquez, Garland or any other high priced 26+ year old player the Sox happen to have. Dude the Rays love leftfielders who are horrible fundamentally and pitchers with bloated contracts about ready to end. Don't you know this?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) Not true at all. Kearns and Lopez were guys they wanted to deal anyways. Kearns has an attitude problem, and they love Chris Denorfia and eventually, Jay Bruce in their OF along with Dunn (who they can now afford to sign long term) and Griff...and as for Lopez, they have Freel, Encarnacion, and Phillips who are 2 very good young players and a supersub 3rd guy/leadoff man in Freel. The Reds may have lost that trade, but they got much needed pen help and traded 2 guys that were going to be dealt anyways. It was, more or less, a joke. You're not going to get Dunn by throwing in Hermanson or Politte. I kind of see how Krivsky is planning things out...he could have done better in his deal, but he is slowly shaping that team to fit his wants.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) No chance that Cinci does that trade. You are correct. However, if we were to throw in like Dustin Hermanson or Cliff Politte or some other mediocre reliever, the Sox could so get Dunn back. I mean, if Jim Bowden can do it, so can KW.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 04:45 PM) People never mention that Contreras' ERA was never anything near what Vazquez has right now, or that Contreras pitched well for most of the beginning of the year and hit a rough spot in the middle. Contreras's first 2 months with Chicago 5-4 5.30 ERA 1.54 WHIP, 1.62 K/BB His ERA after July last year was also 4.58...half a run lower than Vazquez, but not good by any means.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 12:05 AM) Wow, someone's going out on a f***ing limb. :rolly k

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) Let me add this....in a perfect world, we would hold on to Fields the rest of this season, re-sign Joe Crede, and then Fields, Broadway, and Tracey (among others) as the centerpiece in a deal to either get Carl Crawford, D. Willis, or M. Cabrera. Crawford would be amazing. His speed and ability to hit for power make him, like, the most attractable leadoff hitter in the game. Signed through 2010 or so, still plenty young, pretty friggin solid defensively, and he doesn't get caught stealing nearly as much as Podsednik. I actually talked to WHarris about this, and I would love to see Crawford on this team.

People want him back Well guess what you Rowand fans He's not coming back Anderson's to stay He is twice the defender Bat's coming around Garcia is not good He is the one that should go Your velocity sucks Bring me the Flash Bring in Duaner Sanchez McCarthy will start

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) well, its nots going to be pretty Rondell White is goign to be playing left feild *ducks* btw, tommorrow its Liriano -vs- Kazmir great young lefty pitching matchup I am officially not doing anything tomorrow with anyone but me and my TV

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 09:51 PM) 4 wins in a row for the Twins 6-3 beat the D Rays 6 games behind the Sox now. eep. Jim, come on now, you guys are supposed to be like the Tigers and fold down the stretch. That's how this works, duh, don't you know?