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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 2, 2006 -> 03:37 PM) I don't know if last year was much improved for Vazquez, although he did have some dominant games. His ERA, record, and innings pitched were very similar to a very over the hill Greg Maddux. He needs to be more consistent, hopefully Cooper can make that happen, although I think people are putting too much stock into what even the best pitching coach can do for a pitcher. So how much will a top 2 defense in the majors help him?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 11:21 PM) He was a bigger prospect for the Mets. Came over to Cleveland in the Lawton deal and decided he would continue his injury prone ways. That trade occured prior to the 2002 season, and the Indians are still reaping benefits from it in the form of Jason Michaels.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 11:20 PM) Sounds like our version of Joe Borchard, except that Borchard has a good shot of landing the last outfielder spot. I remember the massive amount of hype about this Phillips kid. He was the key player in the Colon trade. A little less than 4 years later, Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee are awesome, and Phillips doesn't have a spot on the team.

QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 06:45 PM) I think if you play on the team for any amount of time, you get a ring. Might be wrong though. IIRC, that is what the Red Sox did last year...anyone that played 1 game with them got a ring.

Phillips makes Willie look like a modest player.

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QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 06:34 PM) Where are you coming up with this? A 2002: 166 IP, 2.77 ERA 1.10 WHIP A 2003: 138 IP, 3.00 ERA 1.25 WHIP AA 2004: 119 IP, 2.57 ERA 1.17 WHIP ML 2004: 28.1 IP, 3.49 ERA 1.45 WHIP He struggled in AAA last year and 2004, and in the majors last year, but past that he's been solid. Thats far from "every level" So his value has dropped, thus, Abreu + Floyd Please tell me this is not true KW...please hold out for the best deal, and if it doesnt come, do not make the trade.

QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) Really? Not even in a deal for Madson? Everyone has their own ideas when it comes to the necessity of a 6th starter in the minors. I think it would definitely be a luxury but not an absolute necessity. I do find it difficult to see JC reeling in Heilman and Milledge. I mean Heilman alone could put up pretty good numbers as a starter, then to add Milledge, a necessity for a Manny trade... I dunno. It would have to be something like JC is seconds away from being traded to the Phils, and Minaya feels like he absolutely could not let that happen, so he forces a trade like this. Even if nothing happens at all, all these trade rumors have given me something engaging to do during the offseason.... and for that, thank you mlbtraderumors.com Any deal with Philly almost has to include Abreu. While I love Abreu as a player, he's not a $15 mill a year player, and never has been. That's what his contract calls for. If Minaya truly feels that Contreras is a necessity, then you almost have to be looking at Contreras...and perhaps a reliever...for Milledge and Heilman. This is exactly what Flash was talking about when he was talking about KW trading from a position of strength to team that is in need and getting a ton of talent in return. The Indians essentially got a top 10 prospect for a good, but not outstanding Coco Crisp...if Minaya feels that another starter is a huge need for the Mets, KW has to be looking at getting a great return in the deal.

QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) I agree... I think behind the scenes KW is pitting the Mets and Phils against one another. I think there might be something to the Phils trade, but in the end, whoever gives up the most will "win." I'm not sure I see him going to Philly at all though. It takes the Sox out of the position they are in right now, and allows them to make basically no move whatsoever at the deadline if a need were to arise. If, god forbid, a starter goes down, you are depending upon Tim Redding or whoever else you get from Philly in the trade to fill in for a while. The Sox could probably manage that way for a little bit, but in the long run would be hurt and it could very well be enough to cost them the division. You make the Mets trade, and you have Heilman and McCarthy battle for the 5th spot in the rotation and with the "loser" moving to the pen to be a swing man type, doing whatever you need him to do. You have also cut salary, have starters locked up for quite some time, and replaced Young in the minors with Milledge. I'll just say that if Contreras ends up in Philadelphia, I'll be surprised as hell.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 07:02 PM) Why are you guys getting all worked up over this? The guy said he respectec Baj and everything and just said the truth.. although he hasnt been given much of a chance ill say that when he has it hasnt exactly gone well.... and you have to think there is a reason the whitesox arent giving him more of a chance because idonno they are the experts... . If Baj makes it with us that is great.... if he makes it in the bigs with another team thats great for him.... but the Baj love here needs to be taken down a step. Since heads and I are friggin declaring him messiah or something I said he'll be a good middle reliever at some point...that is too much love for a player who has decent stuff and has done nothing but dominate in the minors the past couple years? Why couldn't he be a productive middle reliever? I trust the Sox staff, but I also realize that Stephen Randolph would get the 25th spot over Bajenaru simply because he throws with his left hand and Ozzie loves having 2 lefties in the pen. I think Baj will get his shot, and while it may not be with the Sox, I think he will be successful too.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 09:23 AM) Sounds like a Jose Valentin type of day. Only if he followed it up with a 1-13 in the next 3 games with 7 K's.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 02:48 PM) you gays all need to get laid. you gays all need to get paid

No matter how much people like Jermaine Dye, be it for his offensive production or his great value...his value is at an all-time high right now. Coming off a .274 31 86 .333/.512/.845 season, a World Series MVP, along with an affordable option year next year...that is a great chip to trade. That being said...I still don't think there's much substance to this trade - not at this point anyways. All we know is that KW's likes Abreu - whoop dee s***. And that he's basically come out and said he will only trade Jose Contreras is he gets an awesome deal(he has mentioned pitching, but at this point, I'm not sure how much I believe that). On a hunch, I sort of get the feeling this is kind of a bargaining ploy to try and get Minaya to pay up more...perhaps by overpaying for Contreras and giving up perhaps Milledge and Heilman, which is a trade I think KW would have to make.

QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) The white Timo Perez! Atleast Timo has a good arm, and doesnt look like a fat man in a ballet room out there. Timo atleast knows WTF is going on. Timo in the OF:Gload at 1B::Gload in the OF:Timo at 1B

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) And? All I said was that I would have been more impressed if he came up and did something. He didn't. I said he'll still have a chance to be a solid player. I knew I shouldn't have brought up those ABs. He'll have a chance because he struggled in his first 60 ABs? Would you have wanted him to burst onto the scene like Chris Singleton or Joe Charboneau and then go on to have an illustrious career, such as they did? Would that have impressed you? Shapiro straight up robbed both Philly and Boston in both of these deals. Rhodes is old and expensive, and last year just so happened to be about his first good year in about 2, and he didn't even pitch 50 innings last year out of the pen. Jason Michaels actually looks like a better #2 hitter than Crisp does, all things considered. Riske is better than Mota, sure...but if Mota spends time on the DL, the Indians get another player too...that's nice as hell too, which makes that part of the trade win-win. Shoppach also potentially has a future, whereas Bard is looking more and more like a career backup by the day...not to mention Marte, whose ceiling is limitless, is now pencilled in for them wherever they can get him ABs for the next 6 years atleast. Crisp, while solid, is probably somewhat overrated. Pretty much is an awesome all around move for Cleveland.

I'd rather see just about anyone up in the bottom of the 9th with the tying or winning runs on other than Sierra. For whatever reason, it just seems like in huge situations like that, he never gets out. It's a good no-risk, any reward you can get type signing...it's not like they're signing him to a 3 year deal worth $10 mill...it's a minor league friggin contract.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 06:04 PM) fast, thats too betters chances fast, thats too letters chances

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jan 30, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) As much as I like Baj as far as being a good guy and from what he does around here, I think he could have a tough time making the team. Every time he's been seen in the majors, he's pretty much gotten lit up. His ceiling to me is the 24th or 25th guy on the roster. Because he pitched like once every 5 days. If he gets some type of rhythm going and being able to pitch consistently, I would venture to guess he'd be a decent pitcher out of the pen. I figure his ceiling is probably a good middle reliever on any team at some point. You let him work consistently, and you may just see the pitcher everyone has seen dominating in AA and AAA the past 2 years come out...albeit not nearly to that degree.

Cowher to Seahawks fans: "AAWHD LAAAH MOAGKILOA!" Pittsburgh's Roethlisberger, von Oelhoffen, and Polamalu out-funny name Seattle's Alexander, Jackson, and Engrams God politely asks League MVP Shaun Alexander to please stop pointing at Him I personally thought all those were pretty solid.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 02:52 PM) Club Dread was just REALLY confused on what it wanted to be. If it had chosen a direction, it could have been good. But as is, it's not much of anything. One movie I have actually seen and can comment on. As it is...I would agree very much. I just honestly could not tell what the hell was going on, whether it was supposed to be a comedy or horror. It turned out horrible and was not a movie I would ever recommend to anyone ever.

QUOTE(TheBlackSox8 @ Jan 30, 2006 -> 07:05 PM) which beer does that? They had that ad on television where there is a model with a case and the two guys stare and ask if they're plastic......referring to her case or her breasts. Coors light "Oh ya...their plastic all right" "They're even bigger up close!" And I know that Bud Light did a little thing where the bottles were made out of aluminum too.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 30, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) Roids are definately a possibility. But G&T made a good point about the Homerun Derby. Remember Konerko's 2003 season after he was in the Homerun Derby in 2002? Konerko said that the Derby screwed up his swing. Konerko pre-ASB 2002 - .328 20 71 .379/.571/.950 Konerko post-ASB 2002 - .270 7 33 .332/.402/.734 Abreu pre-ASB 2005 - .307 18 58 .428/.526/.955 Abreu post-ASB 2005 - .260 6 44 .376/.411/.787 Just seeing that scares me enough to not want him anywhere near Chicago, unless it's on the north side.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 30, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) The "fact" that Leinart produced more? They both had a 34 game winning streak, 1 BCS title, a ton of talent, and poor arm strength. Dorsey played pretty well in his bowl games too. As of now, there is no difference between the 2 except one of them throws with his left hand. Come back in 5 years, and maybe this won't be the case. Dorsey 00 - 188/322(58.4%), 2737 yards, 25 TD, 5 INT 01 - 184/318(57.9%), 2652 yards, 23 TD, 9 INT 02 - 222/393(56.5%), 3369 yards, 28 TD, 12 INT Leinart 03 - 255/402(63.4%), 3556 yards, 38 TD, 9 INT 04 - 269/418(65.3%), 3322 yards, 33 TD, 6 INT 05 - 283/431(65.7%), 3815 yards, 28 TD, 8 INT Looks to me like Leinart did indeed produce a little better than Dorsey...and he somehow threw for a career high in yards in 2005 with the Heisman winner in his backfield Winning streaks and BCS titles are horrible ways to judge players...that is mere coincidence and has nothing to do with the players themselves. Both are team accomplishments, and it is truly incredible how good both of those 2 teams really were. Scouts also thought so highly of Dorsey's talent the 49ers "stole" him in the late 7th round, where as Leinart is a projected top 3 pick. And the last one is somewhat true, but from what I have seen of Leinart, he can put some heat on the ball and make a tight pass if need be, and he throws a pretty soft ball too, where as from what I remember of Dorsey, he did not have the same ability...I of course may be wrong on that though.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 30, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) I dont mean to dissapoint you, but there is no way in hell he plays GG caliber defense this year. He is a rookie. Eh, I'll take good defense too probably