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I am sick and tired of people saying we do not need a closer. If you are suggesting that Hermanson is a monster, a stud, a dominating closer because he has gotten off to an excellent start, you are fooling yourself. I personally am not comfortable with the thought of Dustin Hermanson closing out game 6 of the ALCS with the Red Sox ahead in the series 3 games to 2. I'd much rather it be Wagner(because there is no chance at all that Lidge will be traded, unless we were willing to give up like McCarthy and one of the big 2 OF prospects in Anderson and Sweeney, and that would be beyond dumb - same goes for Brazoban and Gagne)

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 22, 2005 -> 09:43 PM) The argument can be made that Sweeney will be a better player than Anderson; however no argument can be made that Ross Gload and Lyle Overbay are comparable in any way imaginable. Overbay First half - .344 10 62 .407/.555/.962 Second half - .245 6 25 .357/.379/.736 Gload First half - .267 2 20 .330/.381/.711 Second half - .364 5 24 .410/.558/.968 Looks to me like both are 1 half players. Both are also LH, and they are quite similar hitters, being gap hitters rather than power hitters. So not comparable in any way imaginable?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 22, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Your comparing Ross Gload to Lyle Overbay. You're calling Lyle Overbay a stopgap and are suggesting that Ryan Sweeney is a better prospect than Brian Anderson.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 22, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) I am convinced that Sweeney is the better player, so I believe Anderson should be made available. What the White Sox do with him is obviously not my decision but if it involved a stop gap like Overbay I would be satisfied. OK, I'll play along Why trade your 2nd best OF prospect, and your #3 prospect overall, for a STOP GAP 1Bman, when you have a perfectly capable STOP GAP 1Bman already on your roster in Ross Gload?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:49 PM) He is significantly worse against lefties than he is against righties over his career. 37 at bats this season aren't going to change my mind to the least. Not only is he too injury prone, he is a terrible first baseman. He should not be considered for the starting first base job for a World Series contending team, he just shouldnt. Overbay might cost quite a bit, but I don't really think he would cost an astronomical amount like some of you seem to believe. Anderson for sure would be enough to land him in my opinion. Significantly worse, to me, seems to be Jose Valentin when comparing his RHP vs LHP splits. Durazo's career splits... VS RHP - .286 75 251, .391/.507/.898 - 1446 AB VS LHP - .269 19 79, .355/.437/.792 - 494 ABs It's not like he is useless against LHP. And are you trying to tell me that the likely future CFer and #2 prospect of the White Sox is not very much for Overbay? This is a guy whose career OPS in the 2nd half is .722, and who is hitting .194 with a .626 OPS this year against LHP. It is a very limited amount of at-bats, and overall in his career he has been solid against LHP...but that is an alarming stat. To me, Brian Anderson > Lyle Overbay. I'd rather just keep Gload for $1 mill and keep Anderson.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) People need to understand that teams don't trade young, cheap, and talented players for no f***ing reason. So you mean we won't be trading Jon Garland?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) Durazo cannot play first base nor should he be relied on in the middle of the order considering he can't hit lefties whatsoever. To be honest, I would love to see Lyle Overbay in either a White Sox or Red Sox uniform. His swing in Fenway would be to die for, and the same can be said for US Cellular. With Prince Fielder on the rise, he could very well be expendable. He's a perfect fit. .378(14 for 37) 2 HR 8 RBI, .410 OBP, 1.059 OPS vs LHP this year disagrees. His .278 5 28 .773 splits from last year, while not spectacular, also disagree with you. The only reason we would should have little interest from him is the reason why the DBacks traded him in the first place - he is too injury prone while playing in the field. Another thing...what would it cost to get Overbay? If the deal was centered around a SP, like say Contreras, then the Sox would have to give some money too. Odds are also very solid that Contreras alone would not get the deal done. It takes a good amount of value to get value.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:58 PM) although I don't personally think he's pitched as good as his numbers would indicate His numbers indicate perfectly how he's pitched. 1.65 WHIP .287 BAA BB/9 4.7 K/BB of 1.25 All are f***in horrible. His concrete numbers of ERA and wins suggest that he has pitched well - you are right about that(5 wins, 3.91 ERA). Look at his peripherals and you can see why some would think he has not pitched so hawt this year at all.

QUOTE(AirScott @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) a simple qualification for ace: lots of innings, somebody who can win regularly with minimal help from the bullpen. Buehrle is an ace, even though he doesn't strike out a lot of hitters, because he can go deep into ballgames. he doesn't have the stuff, but he still gets guys out. Kenny Rogers is an ace?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) MB's numbers are better than Woods, at least as good as Prior and he's far more durable than both of them. Considering that and also considering that Wood and Prior are "aces" then how is it that MB is not an ace? They are aces to the general public and the media. That is because they are hyped like motherf***ers. Prior, when he is fully healthy, is an ace. Putting up a sub 2.50 ERA and winning 18 games while putting up a WHIP of just over 1 is extremely good...and because K/9 and K/BB is not an indicator of how good a pitcher is, but rather just his stuff and how well he uses it, I will not include that(Prior's was just awesome that year though...K/9 of 10.4, K/BB of almost 5). Wood is not an ace. He is in the same group as FG...awesome stuff, but can never put it all together. The main difference of course is that FG is not nearly as injury prone as Wood is. Like I have said...there are very few aces in the league, and it is hard to pick out who are aces and who are not. There are no qualifications, in my mind for aces, because it is such a subjective category. It is really very hard to distinguish what qualifies a pitcher as an ace and what does not. A guy can win fewer games than another, but be considered an ace, while another guy can put up a higher ERA than the other guy, and be considered an ace. It may be one of those things that is in the eye of the beholder. If you think Buehrle is an ace, then by god he is an ace. I do not think he is an ace, much like how I do not think Jamie Moyer was ever an ace, nor do I think David Wells has ever been an ace. I maybe just have a grudge against soft throwing lefties for some reason that I do not know.

QUOTE(knightni @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) Carlos' email is [email protected] I sent him an email

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) One question about the rotation, Who is going to be the odd man out in 2006? With our current rotation signed through 2006, somebody is going to have to go. Will it be Garland? because he will clean house in Arbitration Will it be The Count I figure if he finishes the season strong trade him while his value is high. I say all this because we can not let Bmac rot in AAA for another year this guy is a stud! Trade the guy that will do the least amount of harm exiting your rotation while getting the most out of him in trade Most likely that will be Contreras. Garland will get $5-6 mill in arbitration I would expect, unless he can pull a killer, Cy Young winning season out of his ass, in which case it will be around $8-10 mill in all likelyhood. Garland > Contreras Duque will be making $4 mill, is a solid junkballing vet pitcher in the rotation who will get around $4 mill Duque > Contreras Personally, I feel there is no explanation needed for the next 2 in our rotation, though and argument could be made for Garcia, because he is more questionable. Buehrle > Contreras Garcia > Contreras Then it simply comes down to BMac. If Contreras were to put up 16 wins, 3.50 ERA, and a 1.20 WHIP, and you know he will do that, do you take that for $8 mill, or do you take McCarthy who will probably put up 12-14 wins, 4.50 ERA, and a 1.30 WHIP(though perhaps better) who will make $300,000?

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:12 PM) Regardless thats a good f***ing rotation. And MB is about as good a number one as you are gonna get. He's a top tier pitcher. Top tier = ace. Buehrle is in the 2nd tier...and if Garland keeps this s*** up, he is up there too, if not higher. Garcia is 3rd tier, a good pitcher who will win games but have rough outings. Has the s*** to work with, can use it, but does not and has not lived up to his potential. Duque, Contreras, and BMac are in the whatever else tier

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) I remember last year Hawk and DJ saying Zach Greinke, with his stuff and his age has a chance, but again he plays for the Royals. I doubt he does by '10. Not that it matters any, because he could have 70 wins at that point when he should have 100-120, but that is besides the point. I doubt he is a Royal his entire career.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ May 19, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) My only quibble is mentioning Loaiza and Garland in the same sentence--one always had it (just needed to put it all together) and one was a fluke..... So who is who? Loaiza always did have the talent, but could never put it together. He adds one pitch to his repertoire(I just demolished that word I think), and he finishes 2nd in the Cy Young balloting, and very easily could have and probably would have won it had the Sox won the division. Garland, on the other hand, while a first round pick, never showed real good stuff, composure, or intensity on the mound, and was a very average pitcher overall --- until this year that is. His stuff looks better, his composure and command on the mound are better, and you can tell by watching him strike out Tejada in the 8th up 3-2, watching him let the first two get on, having 2nd and 3rd and no outs, and see him get out of it without giving up a run, and simply that he is 8-0 2.50ish in his first 8 starts that his intensity on the mound is there. He is very much unaverage, and has been arguably the best pitcher in the majors thus far. Of course, this could also be argued the exact opposite way, and is probably the way 95%+ of people see it. I see it the way I brought it up though...though I also see Loaiza has being horrible at making adjustments, which is why I highly, highly doubt you'll ever see him post an ERA under 4.00 again for the rest of his career as a starter, though I could see him being a very solid reliever if a team wants to venture that way.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 18, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) Will ferrell is a moron. Anyway, espn deportes has hawt f***ing women on it. Why can't regular espn? Man, how can you not be hawt for Linda Cohn?

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2004 @ May 19, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) I feel a lot better about this series now that it looks like Konerko and Dye are swinging the bats like they're capable. AJP destroying the ball is kind of nice too

QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ May 19, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) Probably not the most popular opinion, but I don't think Frank is a HOF. I think his declining numbers in the past few years hurt his chances. First 6-7 years - absolute first ballot, but not anymore me thinks. Still can't wait for him to come back. Frank is a HoFer, especially with sabermetric statistics playing a much bigger role in today's game. A career OPS of just under 1.000 for 15+ years of service is almost a guarantee to be in the HoF. He was also the most dominant hitter in the game from probably 93-97, was top 2 in atleast the AL in 2000, and was very solid in 91, 92, 03, and for the half season he played last year. Consider that his lowest OPS in a full season ever is .834, in 02. If Jermaine Dye can finish the season with an .834 OPS, he will have had a very good year, especially with his awful start thus far. He will almost undoubtedly end up with more than 500 career homers, he already has 2000+ career hits and could be looking at 2500 before his career is over, has 1439 RBI, and will probably end up with 1800, he has scored 1300 runs and will probably end up around 1700, and his career BA will be right around .300 by the time hisi career is over. If you go out of baseball with .300 500+ HR 1800+ RBI, 1700 R, 2500 H, .990 OPS, you will almost undoubtedly reach the Hall. The only thing keeping him out is really the fact that he did not play in the field much for the second half of his career, and that is what will keep him from getting in on the first ballot. And, while K's are not always a huge deal, Thomas will finish his career with a K/BB of less than 1. That is pretty incredible.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 19, 2005 -> 12:54 AM) When Buehrle wins game 300 for the Sox...then he'll rank up there with Frank in my book. Nothing against Mark, love the guy...but Frank Came up at almost the exact time I became a Sox Fan...and he's been here ever since. If Reinsdorf lets him leave....man will I be furious. I want that scoreboard at the Cell exploding with the # 500 on it for that man. It won't be Reinsdorf that lets Frank go. Reinsdorf is the reason he is still in Chicago

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ May 19, 2005 -> 12:47 AM) But since the eye is not quick enough to see a .01 or even a .1 second difference between a ball getting to a glove and a player getting to a base, there will be a lot more practical ties than there are actual ties, and from what I've always heard, a tie goes to the runner. Sorta. When you are actually out umping, you can see things that are very close to ties, but you can make a clear decision, and most of the time, it will be the right decision.

There is some guy named Frank Thomas Yeah.....

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ May 19, 2005 -> 12:27 AM) There is no such thing as a tie. ^^^ If you honestly think about it, a tie is an instance where 2 things finish at the same ending point at the exact same time. What are the odds that the ball and foot will reach the glove and base respectively at the exact same time on any given play? I would guess very small. In probably 99.999% of instances, if not more, there will never be a tie. That is not to say that there is no such thing as a tie, because there is a slim possibility that the ball could meet the glove at the exact same time as the foot reaches the bag. At that point, it is simply judgement call.

The Twins can finish 2nd in the division, and I think they will. Doesn't matter. They'll still be playing in October

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 18, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) Funny how people always take what Qwerty says seriously. When he is quite obviously always being very sarcastic. This is the same person who said he bled Cubbie Blue. LOLlercoaster

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 18, 2005 -> 03:33 PM) Cliff's got his ERA down to 1.12 He has been ridiculously awesome this year. What is even scarier is that he has not been our best reliever.