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QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) Surely I'm not the only one you said this to in regards to this subject? You are the only one showing any sort of attitude or disdain. That's why you are getting it and ptatc is not.

What team is going to give you 4 highly talented players in A ball for Addison Reed? I figure you'd be lucky to get 2.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) It's funny, but my guy said almost the exact same thing as Dunn and Beckham. Last I checked, those guys ARE in the clubhouse. You are just some internet tough guy that USED to work with a team. And you have a lot of people here kissing your balls. I never met AJ, so I will never know the truth. But I do take my friend's word for it. He knew AJ for his entire stay with the team. Congratuations. Drop the subject.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t=0&start=0 Thread was 52 posts. The word "class" was used twice. Both of them described Aparicio, even though Vizquel was the one who put in the request to honor Aparicio. In this thread, I see no one calling Hawk or the Red Sox classy for allowing Pierzynski to do it. What gives? /fuel on fire

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) FRINGE POWER! Keith Law thinks it was possible he could hit "15 plus homers" playing at the Cell. But I guess I should of stopped after "Keith Law thinks." Probably shouldn't, the dude has a pretty good eye for talent.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) You are the one saying his lifetime slash line makes him a horrible DH. So you are all over the place. Yes, f*** me for wanting a DH who puts up better than .260/.300/440. He can certainly get better, but if a guy is going to DH full time, I want him to be a good hitter.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:42 AM) True, but there are less players on the market. That's OK. I mean, I'm with you, and I don't really buy the "not punting" thing that they're spewing, but I'm going to be a lot less optimistic about a potential move come January 2nd than I will December 11th. December is a month that moves.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) Why is it you think Viciedo cannot be any better than he has been? There certainly have been flashes of brilliance. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:07 AM) I realize Viciedo is young. He also has a terrible approach at the plate. If he can right himself, he can be a fantastic hitter. He has great bat speed, power, and plate coverage. He's been absolutely god awful in the majors, save about 2-3 months worth of plate appearances. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Yeah, I'm not in the whole arguing just to argue thing today. It's a bit of everything Dick. If you are really content with a .740 OPS from a DH, then I'll let you be happy with it. Personally, I think that's terrible and want nothing to do with it. If he proves this year that he can hit really well this year and the Sox come up with another outfielder from somewhere, then by all means, let him DH full time, f*** it. I'm not counting on it, and I don't want the White Sox to go out of their way to acquire a guy to be a full time DH, instead using it to keep guys fresh while keeping bats in the lineup and improving your ability to play matchups. If you want to argue with that, go ahead. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) The OP suggested Viciedo as a full time DH next year. That's what I was referencing. Beyond that, I think the Diamondbacks paid way, way, way, way too much for Mark Trumbo. Pretty sure we're done here

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) The thread was about AJ wearing Hawk's number. If you don't think THAT is a class act, fine, say something about that. Not about some other crap. Conversations typically evolve. You can have a conversation about the price of corn and end up talking about how terrible the Hindenburg was. Unfortunately, due to his history and personality, this thread evolved that way.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:31 AM) So far I think they are a ways away from "not punting" 2014. It's also December 11th.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) If you are alternating DH's you will be lucky to get a .700 OPS from that position. Besides, Viciedo is years away from being strictly a DH. Keep in mind Mark Trumbo coming off a .234/.294/.741 year netted Hector Santiago and a guy who was a top 10 prospect last year in Tyler Skaggs as a slugger, who really should be a DH. The OP suggested Viciedo as a full time DH next year. That's what I was referencing. Beyond that, I think the Diamondbacks paid way, way, way, way too much for Mark Trumbo.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:00 AM) Well it was just a thread about AJ doing something nice and some will have nothing to do with that, they have to slam him every chance they get. It would be like next month with Frank gets his HOF election thread and a bunch of people went on there to say he was really an egotistical, crappy teammate who was only concerned about his stats. It would be uncalled for. The thread was about AJ possibly wearing Hawk's number, not about whether or not he kneed a trainer 10 years ago. Seriously, as bad as some think AJ is, probably most of the guys they never say anything about are worse. I didn't pay close attention, but I mainly noticed people arguing the merits of it being a class act. AJ is a dick and an asshole but he is a good player. Frankly, I think that's the highest compliment you can pay the guy. QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:10 AM) He must be a big deal then. Like Steff? Give it up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) First you say having a full time DH is ridiculous, then you say his slash line is frightening for a DH, then it's match ups ( and I don't know where I could find average DH numbers) and giving guys rest. Guys can still sit on the bench and get real rest, and a DH doesn't have to play 162. If Viciedo reaches his potential, or comes close to it, it is a bat you want in the line up every day. If it's DH fine. He could also still play the OF occassionally and maybe 1B. Yeah, I'm not in the whole arguing just to argue thing today. It's a bit of everything Dick. If you are really content with a .740 OPS from a DH, then I'll let you be happy with it. Personally, I think that's terrible and want nothing to do with it. If he proves this year that he can hit really well this year and the Sox come up with another outfielder from somewhere, then by all means, let him DH full time, f*** it. I'm not counting on it, and I don't want the White Sox to go out of their way to acquire a guy to be a full time DH, instead using it to keep guys fresh while keeping bats in the lineup and improving your ability to play matchups. If you want to argue with that, go ahead.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:07 AM) I bet the slash line you presented for Viciedo compares favorably to the average DH in 2013, and I think he will get better. At the expense of getting other guys rest and playing match ups, which (theoretically) improves performance.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:01 AM) You were the one who said using a full time DH was ridiculous. There have been several that were outstanding. And while many say Viciedo is what he is and Adam Eaton is going to be really good, they might want to keep in mind, Viciedo is actually younger than Eaton. What's your end game here? Are you comparing Viciedo to Ortiz, Thomas, Thome, and Martinez? It seems like you are at this point. Who would the Sox realistically acquire that would be deserving of DHing full time in the next season and a half? It's also ridiculous to trade Chris Sale, but there are exceptions that can be made if the right offer is presented. I realize Viciedo is young. He also has a terrible approach at the plate. If he can right himself, he can be a fantastic hitter. He has great bat speed, power, and plate coverage. He's been absolutely god awful in the majors, save about 2-3 months worth of plate appearances.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:38 AM) Subway is gross. Potbelly or Jimmy Johns is 1000 times better. F me. Jimmy Johns. Gargantuan, no onion, add bacon, every time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:57 AM) Yeah, the Red Sox using Big Papi...what a joke. If the White Sox can acquire someone with the capabilities of David Ortiz or Frank Thomas or Jim Thome or Edgar Martinez or whoever, then I'm ok with it, unless you are comparing Dayan Viciedo to those guys. There are always exceptions Dick. Viciedo, for his career, is at .264/.306/.432/.738. The idea of starting that at DH on a day to day basis is frightening.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) There is absolutely no reason to give up on Viciedo yet. Give him another year in LF, then let him naturally move right in to the DH role in 2015 where he can just focus on being a great hitter. Then if he still can't hit as a full-time DH, then you can worry about moving him, which will be when he is still only age 26 and under contract. I mean, who else is going to DH for this team in 2015? We have no power studs in the minors who don't have a position. Our best bet would be like Andy Wilkins. Hopefully by that point, everybody. Using a full time DH is ridiculous

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:46 AM) Nothing and that's probably why there not in the same paragraph. They made in the same frame of reference, as if they have something to do with each other, and there is no transition.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:47 AM) He is? Santiago owned a better ERA, ERA+, H/9, and WAR last season and is 3 years younger. Seems to me, if Santiago cuts down on his walks, he will be a much better pitcher than Samardzija. He also owned a worse K/9, BB/9, WHIP, FIP, xFIP, IP/GS, plus several other key indicators of future success. Also, you must be looking at numbers from b-r or espn, because Santiago did not own a better fWAR. Jeff Samardzija is a better pitcher than Hector Santiago. I would expect Samardzija to bring back more than Santiago but less than Quintana.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) Brian Anderson has come full circle, deciding to try his hand as an outfielder again. Anderson tallied 355 big league games from 2005-09, mostly for the White Sox, before switching to the mound in 2010. He battled injuries as a pitcher, and tells MLBTR now, "I'd love to get back on the field again." Here are more notes from the Central divisions. The White Sox are "determined" to acquire a catcher before the Winter Meetings are through, Bruce Levine of th 670thescore.com tweets. What do these have to do with each other?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:34 AM) Viciedo blows. I actually tend to agree with this, but there's no harm in giving him one more year (unless there is a deal on the market that brings in a good piece, then it does harm to give him one more year).

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:24 PM) I'd rather see us trade De Aza, Beckham, Petricka, and Rienzo to the Orioles for Matt Weiters. Jesus, why give up so much? No need to include the pitching prospects.

Counting on Elmore to be anything more than a backup infielder is an incredible mistake. His numbers look like Keppinger's.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:43 PM) We have a glut of LHP, this made sense even if I was a real fan of Hector's. The problem is we got crap in return. Adam Eaton cant hit. I dont get it, and now were going to deal DeAza for a lottery ticket prospect. What does this net us other than a new face? I mean, unless Hahn does something super fancy (or teams somehow arent aware of ADAs sucktitude) this boils down to: Solid lefty with good potential Low caliber starting CF for Low-middle caliber starting CF Mediocre prospect Team didnt get better unless they see something in Eaton that indicate he will get good. Minor league batting average is .348. And you are saying he can't hit. This is like saying the moon isn't in the sky or snow isn't cold.