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QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 02:53 PM) If they don't plan on competing next season and can get a player who can contribute for the future if they chip in money then it makes a ton of sense. His value might actually be somewhat decent right now since he's been pretty hot for a good period of time. Once again I personally think they should be competing next year, but for the sake of the thread I'm entertaining the idea of trading him. Competing or competitive? I think they can be a .500ish team next year, but like 90+ is a reach.

The Orioles can also maximize his value, much better than the Sox. The Sox count on him cleaning up and being the run producer, while the Orioles would hit him 6th or 7th and they'd be able to sit him against lefties (likely going with Pearce or Valencia or whatever righty bat they have on the bench). There are other guys they can acquire too, but that matchup really makes a lot of sense for both teams.

All stats are flawed by OPS is extremely flawed. I use it because it's simple, widely reported, and gives a base guideline. I also take into consideration the differences in value between two similar OPS's, Taking just what guys do at the plate into consideration here - Adam Dunn has a .791 OPS, Jacoby Ellsbury .790. Logic says that Dunn should have created more runs in general - a microscopic measure, but more nonetheless - yet Ellsbury has been signficantly more valuable simply with a bat in his hands because Ellsbury has been on base about 40 more times than Dunn (don't have the exact number but it's good enough).

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) Agreed. Adam Dunn probably only has value to someone if the Sox pick up substantial money. A team with a really bad 1B or DH would, for example, probably be willing to pay an Adam Dunn $7m or so. Well that's odd, because there's a team out there that's a game back from a playoff spot and 4.5 back from the division lead that has splits of .197/.261/.382/.643 from their DH slot this year, and I know OPS is only for cave men but there's enough of a reference point here and that it says "they suck even if they played against a 12 man defense so I am going to post the OPS because suck it!" Of course, I am talking about the Orioles.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) Haha I'm not going to blow a gasket, I'm just frustrated because there's so much disagreement on Dunn's production because he's so good at some things and so bad at others. The arguments are really good and important ones, except that someone already came up with a way to settle them and I want people to know that they are available so we can all agree and have a picnic together in the parking lot at USCF I don't like picnics, I want to have pool party

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) The cover of Rolling Stone? Outrageous. Next I'm going to read that they printed his actual name instead of He Who Must Not Be Named like we all agreed upon earlier. mmmmm don't think it was Voldemort

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) But at least for now, we're mentally calibrated on OPS. I know what a .900 OPS hitter is doing, I know what an .800 OPS hitter is doing, I know what a .700 hitter is doing, I know what a .600 OPS hitter was doing. When I quote those numbers, everyone knows roughly what that hitter is doing without me defining the standard. If you post RC+, great, but you have to calibrate me in the same post, I'm just not set on it yet. http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/wrc/

Because the Sox are dumb and think Dunn is worth having in the lineup next year

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) Nope. Garrett Anderson. He OWNED that week. He made it really fun to watch then. Blalock did win the game though Jesus I suck

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) I wonder if you could see a team take a shot at Dunn after the trade deadline and claim him off of waivers, similar to how the Sox claimed Rios. Not sure if the Sox would let him go without some compensation

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Well I think with the information we get from bucket, Alexei is not going to get traded. I trust bucket, but you always take that info for what it's worth. Ramirez could still easily be traded. Anybody on the Sox can be traded at this point. They are shopping everybody.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 10:45 AM) Kind of. Even he admits that Sale should have gotten in but he can see why Mo got it instead. This line stood out though: Does anyone remember who won it last year? The year before? Melky Cabrera. No. Hank Blalock won it when it was at USCF.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) He had been trying to fire him for a couple of years, if you believe the rumor mill. Would Jerry have finally let in? Thought I mentioned it in the first post. Yes, I think he would have, because I don't think Williams was going to stick around. I think he would have given Reinsdorf a "me or him" ultimatum.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 09:37 AM) I really wonder if he hadn't have made a big side show, would he have been fired that off season? I think Reinsdorf values Williams over Ozzie, and I don't think Williams was going to tolerate Guillen in the dugout for another season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 08:50 AM) So he'd be the best hitter on the team? With the Sox luck, he'd hit .153

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 07:00 AM) with Middlebrooks ahead of him, and Boston in a position to win another World Series, it's about what Boston would need in return. Target who you want in terms of prospects, such as Cecchini, and see if common ground is there for a trade. Middlebrooks was sort of a fluky story last year. There's no way Middlebrooks is actually ahead of him. He might get a crack at taking the job back, but they will have no second thoughts about dealing him.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 07:14 AM) If the Sox got Owings, he'd probably be the best hitter on the team. Micah is 30 years old playing minor league ball for the Nationals. The Sox are interested in Chris Owings, 21 year old SS who's hitting .353 at AAA.

Because I forgot about it and it's awesome

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) At least Sale got an All Star win. That's something. I'm not going to freak out anymore. He's the MVP in my mind, just like Crede was the World Series MVP. Dye put up a 1.214 OPS and had the World Series winning hit. He was a perfectly acceptable choice. If they had a playoffs MVP, Crede would have won that. QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:32 PM) The wrong guy got the award. That's all there is to it. WRONG KID DIED QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 03:19 AM) I've never understood the fellatio that the media loves to perform on Riviera. Sure, he has been one of the games best closers but really, come on. Let's be honest here if he didn't have a cutter the guy would be shoveling sh*t along side the panama canal. Yet the media & commish treats the guy as if he cured cancer. Did you see that incredibly uncomfortable and inappropriate hug? Hard to watch. I agree with an earlier poster that said it would be great if he decided not to retire, then they would be forced to do this whole thing over again and realize how stupid it is to over do it as they did on so many levels last night. The idea that he was the MVP is absolutely ridiculous and the MLB should be ashamed of themselves. Maybe Sale didn't deserve it either, FYI...in a game like this it's hard to choose a clear cut MVP. But in no way does the Riviera choice make sense. In an all star game they should put this ceremonial crap aside and leave that for his final game at Yankee stadium. Saying Rivera is nothing without his cutter is like saying Mark McGwire was nothing without his power. It's true, but it's the reason they are as good as they are. Rivera is absolutely 100% the best closer of all time and, if he's not the best reliever of all time, he's one of the best. It's an All Star MVP. I think we can relax a little bit.

Sale is at 92.9 MPH with his fastball this year and was at 96.3 his rookie year. He can't even throw it 100. No point in trying to do so.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 04:38 PM) but not necessarily (I just wanted to be a dork) Haha, someone caught on

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) Is there really any timetable of a possible trade for Rios and Lindstrom? I.understand that Crain and Peavy need to be healthy but I'm getting impatient and want this minor rebuild to happen already. If they're traded this year, it's probably going to happen some time in the next 15 days.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 1m Ozzie Guillen said he thinks Ventura is doing a better job as manager this season. Handles adversity well. Feels bad for #WhiteSox. Nobody gives a f***, go back to your corner QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) He's somewhat doing that now. I think the reaction would be much different with the fans if it were someone outside the organization. I think some of this is true, but he did such a good job last year that it's hard to tell which is the anamoly.

Ventura's probably going to OK Leyland to use Sale for 120 pitches, if necessary.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) There's really no way of knowing that. Which is why it makes sense to give Ventura another shot with another group of players. As loyal as Reinsdorf is, I see no way Ventura isn't brought back. The last Sox manager to be let go after 2 seasons was Bevington, and that was after displaying extreme incompetence.