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QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ May 14, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) I feel like the Sox have sucked since the second half of '06. Before you mention 2008 and the Blackout Game, that season was more of a contest between us and Minny to see who could blow it. I'm fine with a blowup/rebuild at this point. First and foremost, they had an 89 win season in 2008, an 88 win season in 2010, and an 85 win season and first place most of the year last year. They've just been terrible. They played at a .648 clip in the first half of 2006 (a 105 win pace) and they won a World Series in 2005. Suggesting they've done nothing but sucked since that point is ignorant and short-sighted. I also like these fans that suggest a blowup/rebuild is a good idea at this point. People have this idea that blowing teams up is cool because it's like video games or Florida where you trade all these players off and get a bunch of young, play hard minor leaguers up and it's a fun, grand old time followed shortly there after by winning. Meanwhile, Toronto hasn't been to the playoffs in 20 years, Kansas City hasn't made the playoffs in 27 years, Pittsburgh hasn't had a winning season in 20 years, Cleveland has made 1 playoff appearance since they decided to sink the ship in 2002 (though they've had nice years here and there), Houston and Florida are going to battle all year to see who is going to be the worst team in the league this year with no end in sight, and the Cubs - the Cubs! - are starting to lose fans from the stands. If the White Sox rebuild, it's going to be ugly for a long time because the only two logical assets to be traded are Peavy and Rios. Maybe you can trade some expiring contracts for shots in the dark or relievers for low-level minor leaguers more likely to never rise above Winston-Salem then they are to get to Birmingham, Charlotte, or even Chicago. They will run out prospects not ready for the majors and AAAA players who will never be that good just to fill at bats. They'll score 600 runs over the duration of a season (or fewer). They will lose 90-100 games for multiple years. And when will they get better and be ready to compete? If everything goes according to plan, the earliest the Sox are looking to compete is 2016, and that's at the very earliest. It could be upwards of 2018 or 2020 by the time they're competing again, and maybe not even then - they might not compete again until 2040. Stretches that long are not unprecedented. Personally, I'd rather see them try and scrape together patchwork offenses, because with the talent on this pitching staff, they may be able to occasionally sneak into the playoffs here and there with breakout years. If they don't, contending all year and breaking my heart in August or September is a hell of a lot more entertaining and thrilling than knowing in April that the team has no shot.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 14, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) Why dance around it, this is a bottom 10 team in mlb. They are 23-13 in the Hawk Harrelson Baseball League though. Because this team is a bad 16 game stretch away from being a playoff team last year. Relaxing and maybe getting to f***ing July of 2013 should take precedence before deciding the fate of the 2014 team.

Should trade Chris Sale too. Should also not trade Chris Sale too.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2013 -> 08:34 PM) I know I like to tease about him, but seriously, how is Travis Wood so good? His stuff is nothing special, but he's had a dominating season. I would like to point out that in August of 2002, Cory Lidle put up a 0.20 ERA in 45.1 IP and he gave up 23 hits during that time frame. During his career, he put up a 4.57 ERA and allowed 1400 hits in 1322 innings. Pitchers get hot and lucky. This would be far more annoying if the Cubs were in the playoffs or soemthing.

Pick to thunder? ZEUS

And this is why I hate not having a catch-all

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ May 14, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) I have three girls that grew up playing with Barbies and watching the Disney princess movies and none of them have any sort of body issues. I myself grew up playing with over-muscled action figures like He-man and GI joe and never had a thought to try and imitate their body styles. I do find myself overly attached to pizza though.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 14, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) i did, it was pretty awful. Whatever, hopefully we get a star that believes in style at some point Derrick Rose looks good in a suit

I'm aroused. Bad thing? It's just...those legs, in those pants, make him look like a model. And DAT ASS

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 14, 2013 -> 08:58 AM) This was easily the most frustrating season as a fan of all-time, simply because of the Rose drama. Thank God it's mostly over. I feel like I have a new appreciation for Thibs and basketball in general. These guys have gutted it out and have gotten f***ed some along the way. I think it's ok to be proud of them as a fan. Really, the only player to be upset with is Rose.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 13, 2013 -> 06:11 PM) We don't have an ML-caliber offense. Tearing down is the only way to become a yearly contender. I will gladly take 2-3 years of crap in order to have sustained success rather than years of mediocrity. I think this is a cop-out answer and is totally wrong. A very similar offense to this scored the 4th most runs in the AL last year. They are bound to heat up at some point, and there's no reason to rush to a decision.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 13, 2013 -> 06:13 PM) You would not trade Sale for Trout or Harper? QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 13, 2013 -> 08:17 PM) Never advocated trading Sale. Then stop. You are being argumentative to be argumentative.

QUOTE (Jimbo1965 @ May 13, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) You are not wrong. But it seems unfair to slight someone because they are old for their league. They have no control over that. Why would Kenny/Hahn do that? Cyle Hankerd never got a chance in the majors and hit .400 in his 15 AB's in AAA. I would have him in AAA to see what he could do this year? What would you do with him? Part of my frustration is every day I go over yesterday's minor league box scores. They have so few players hitting. All of their top position players save Siemens are not hitting. Black was never in any top 20. Also I like players who know how to take a walk. There are several reasons why you pay attention to the age of a prospect and what level they're at. For starters, old prospects have less time to adjust to higher level pitching before they exit their prime years (typically considered to be anywhere between the ages of 25-33, but a much narrower 28-31 are considered to be your peak years). They are also going to be full developed physically and really have nowhere to go but down from that point - they'll can get smarter as a player, but they'll get slower, weaker, and more fragile too. Secondly, older prospects do have the ability to control that, and they do so by performing to the point where the organization is forced to move them up. Cyle Hankerd absolutely had a chance to prove himself - multiple chances, in fact - and in 1200+ plate appearances at the AA level, he put up a split line of .254/.325/.361/.687. That is bad. Black might show up in some Sox top 20 prospect lists come midseason or end of the season if he keeps hitting. He won't be thought highly of, but if he keeps hitting, he'll be impossible to be ignored.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 12, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) Look at the season Neal Cotts is having. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?p...&pid=425840 BRING HIM BACK

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 13, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) We should trade our bad players for players that will be better. Like it. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I would like to sign up for your newsletter

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 13, 2013 -> 11:46 AM) GAH

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ May 13, 2013 -> 06:59 AM) Was at the game, of course my dad mentions the perfect game before that inning Awesome game by Sale, I've been fortunate enough that this is the 3rd time now I've seen Sale pitch and its been a gem every time. If it is a proximity thing, then mine means nothing, but I was mentioning the perfect game before the 6th inning.

QUOTE (danman31 @ May 10, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) Sanchez should factor in if the Sox believe in him. He's certainly close enough this early slump aside. He may not be good enough and the Sox may not think he's starting material, but that evaluation is absolutely a part of the process. Sanchez is a well-regarded prospect in AAA and trading one of the middle infielders affects the next few years. I honestly think the only way Sanchez comes into play is if he continues to hit very well and Beckham just improves a very small amount while the team comes back and competes this year. Most hypothetical situations I foresee dictate looking to move Beckham at some point in the next 8 months, regardless of Sanchez's development this year. About the one that doesn't is Beckham hitting very well and the Sox coming back and competing this year, because at that point you are facing a decision of whether to keep Beckham for $4-6 million or move on and look towards Sanchez.

Tried reading Something Wicked This Way Comes as a 12 year old. Got like half way through and just couldn't continue from there. It was way over my head. Also, I have Infinite Jest. I've read about 11 pages of it. So close to being done!

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 10, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) He's never misplaced his identity. Overpaid, out of shape and a jumbo drain on the payroll. Life won't get better on 35th and Dan Ryan until he gawn. You are a beacon of sunshine in an otherwise melancholy world

Did you spell your name with a K because you knew you were going to be a strikeout pitcher?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 10, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) DeMichele, Johnson and Semien should have zero impact on current decisions made with Ramirez and Beckham Sanchez really shouldn't either at this point. Give it another couple months. If you fall out of the race or are still in last come Memorial Day, start shopping and scouting. If an other comes up and it's worth trading guys, do so and promote whoever or whatever.

QUOTE (hi8is @ May 10, 2013 -> 02:48 AM) poop And now the thread is complete

QUOTE (bmags @ May 10, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) Eh, Joey saves up his angst for random players most of the time. and Tim Duncan

That fits the description of a first world problem