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over/under on the number of times people say that Dunn isn't clutch next year = 47.5

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:53 PM) He said after the VMart rumor that Sox do have a huge offer out, but it wasn't VMart. Then, he kept talking about the Sox landing Dunn. If you know what his connection is to the Sox, you knew this was possible. I know Rock has a legitimate source, but I think a lot of people saw this coming from a mile away.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:51 PM) You know you are getting 39.20894308509q734209583084 homers and 102.90809q80er8 RBI. By my basic understanding of quantum numeric baseball theory, that's good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) He gets our first round draft pick. No, Rizzo does. Bowden gets to sit in his radio booth.

That's a lot of money for a guy who is basically a strict DH, but he's the premier left handed power hitter on the market, and he's damn good at what he does. You have to imagine that it's backloaded, at least a bit.

$5-6 mill should be about the amount it is going to cost per year to get Putz. It's a matter of whether the Sox will let him close and how many years they are willing to go.

I honestly think Lee makes way more sense than Konerko. I don't want to say that Konerko "can never do what he did last year," but odds are greatly in favor of him regressing, atleast a little bit. I also don't think you can say that Lee is going to do what he did all of last year for a full year either. Lee is a better athlete than Konerko, plays better defense, comes with a shorter and cheaper commitment, and, I think, just as likely to put up big numbers. Konerko is going to get 2/$25 and Lee is going to get 1/$7, I don't think there's any question which move the Sox make. I honestly think that resigning Konerko forces the Sox to trade someone making a bit of money (though they also don't have to pay for 2 additional draft picks).

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) Looking back at it, this shouldn't come as a shock after KW's desire to get Dunn last deadline. If the 15 moves that Williams made after there was speculation prior to don't end the "Williams always gets the guy you don't expect," then hopefully this one does.

Oohhh, creative Kenny! I really didn't see that one coming you sly SOB!

QUOTE (balfanman @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 08:40 AM) I think that is being quite optimistic. If Pena and especially Linebrink are counted on to handle late and close innings I don't believe that we will be looking to add relievers at the deadline. I think that it's much more likely that we will be selling off parts by mid June. I think you are misreading this as Balta saying that Linebrink and Pena are the 6th and 7th inning guys. He is not implying that. He is saying that Linebrink and Pena have to be a junk-innings pitcher and a mopup reliever (the 6th and 7th guys OUT OF the bullpen), and they can battle to the death for whoever gets whatever role. I don't entirely buy that Pena will be back. They didn't bring Carrasco back at like $1 mill last year when he was good at eating mopup innings, so why would they bring Pena back at $2 mill when he was terrible at it? Maybe because Williams gave up Allen to get him, but I don't entirely buy that. Williams generally folds when he knows he's beaten, and it sort of appears that way with Pena.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...nontender-jenks That's as much of a shocker as predicting that the Bills were going to lose a lot of games this year.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 07:18 AM) And what if *the other person signed* doesn't produce anywhere near those BIG BUCKS he receives? Is that devaluing or just making bad baseball decisions? If Paul Konerko signs for 2/$25 and puts up an .850 OPS, and Derrek Lee is signed for 1/$7 and puts up an .800 OPS, I would say that the Lee commitment was a better commitment. You can only show loyalty to a certain extent. Williams and company may believe that spreading out $12 million over 2-3 positions, or by allocating it into 1 different player entirely is a better way to spend money than by spending it on Konerko.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 11:08 PM) russell westbrook only plays well along side durant. yeah.. right 38-15-9 vs the nets tonight without durant in 48 minutes p.s. also scored all of OKC's 13 points in the 3rd OT to win it. wow I don't even follow the NBA, but you are taking this way too far. People admit that Westbrook is good, but they also admit that Rose is good, and at the end of the day, both players are really freaking good. People on here prefer Rose to Westbrook because they are Bulls fans. I don't think you are convincing anybody of anything other than the fact that you can't let a petty and virtually meaningless argument go.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 07:16 AM) And the Sox are going to find someone who no one else wants to pay BIG BUCKS to. Hmm, what does that tell us? Why, that the Sox are cheap bastards who only want to destroy their relationship with the fans.

Both examples are more comparable to indentured servitude than they are slavery. There was absolutely no reward for slavery at all, whereas, if you play baseball, you can make quite a bit of money. Besides that, if in the middle of your baseball contract, you decide you don't want to play anymore, you can just quit and forfeit all of the money. If you were a slave and just decided that you didn't want to work anymore, you got whipped.

Dear guy who was singing "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" on Monday when we had -10 degree wind chills and barely any snow, THAT IS NOT A f***ING WINTER WONDERLAND YOU IDIOT, IT'S f***ING HELL Signed, Freezing my ass off

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:43 AM) Agreed, I'd much prefer Jose Valentin. His voice is hilarious. And his mustache

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 05:47 PM) Linkity. Bobby Valentine...ugh

I think with a lineup that packed with lefties, Gartrell would be a better bench option than De Aza.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=2272564 Main reason I posted this is because the only team that the White Sox can't beat at this point in time is the MF'ing Minnesota Twins, so it has nothing to do with AL or NL. The White Sox were 5-13 against Minnesota, which means that against the rest of the AL, they were 68-56. I'm not sure people quite grasp the fact that, if the White Sox had won 3 more games against the Twins last year that, if you believe in predetermined destiny, they tie for the division win and, if you don't, that it puts a hell of a lot more pressure on the Twins (or, depending on when you beat them - like right out of the gates at the ASB when they had a chance to win 3 of 4) it could potentially put them in a position where they sell off a few parts and hand the season to the White Sox. They have to beat the Twins. If they don't beat the Twins this year, then Ozzie needs to go, and perhaps Williams too. And perhaps at that point in time, they just need to blow the f***er up.

I still don't think Baltimore is the spot for Konerko, but perhaps they offer him enough that he can't turn it down. I imagine 3/$42 or something along those lines might be enough to get him in orange and black.

Yeah, that was to be expected. Just a minor increase in the overall payroll, but still a relevant one.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 10:34 AM) That one was one of the ways the Tigers tried to rebuild. Of course, Ivan Rodriguez was 32 and not 37, and he was still good offensively. He was also still good defensively, which Jeter is not and hasn't been for a while.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 10:22 AM) Call me cynical but I'm not sure that after the debacle of last year (which was masked by 88 wins) I'd categorize the Sox as a winning situation. Not until we get off our asses and start making the kind of moves that put us legitimately in line to be better then the Twins. It's worth mentioning that the Twins bullpen could be quite a bit worse next year as well. They are probably going to end up losing 4 relievers - Guerrier, Crain, Rauch, and Fuentes - which leaves them with Nathan (who will be a year removed from surgery), Matt Capps, and Jose Mijares. It's safe to say that they are going to add a reliever or two, but it's possible that they'll be blowing games in the early part of the season, or perhaps all year. The Sox need to worry about themselves first and foremost though, and they need to make sure that the team on the field is good. If it's not, it won't matter what anybody else in the division is putting out there because surely there will be someone better than the Sox.

You are reading way too much into that. Doing what is best for his family would include maximizing his salary. He's not going to do that by accepting arbitration when he made $3 million last year. The absolute best he could do at that point is ask for like $6-7 million in arbitration, but then the Sox could either trade him (if he were to accept arbitration) into a situation he is not comfortable in - for instance, playing in Pittsburgh or Baltimore - or by low-balling him just enough that the arbiter rules that he is worth the Sox value, which could be as low as $3.5-4 million. All he did by declining arbitration is allowing himself free will to choose where he plays while also allowing himself to make more money. Some team may pony up the same contract that Joaquin Benoit got from Detroit, 3 years, $16.5 mill. I think that's a hell of a lot better than 1 year and $4 mill, don't you? The Sox won 88 games last year, and they could easily do the same or better (or worse of course) next year. He's just looking to cash in on a great season. And on your Martinez point - the Sox never made an offer to Victor Martinez. I imagine they were planning on doing so at some point in the offseason, but it probably wasn't going to be as much as the Tigers was anyways. There's a lot of offseason left. Putz's comments mean absolutely nothing about his chances of returning to Chicago.