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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2010 -> 07:50 PM) I really like what V-Mart will do to our running game while in Dtown. Watch quietly from the bench? Avila threw out 32% of potential basestealers last year

Martinez is a sexy name, but really he's not a fantastic player. Basically an .850 OPS guy and that could come down as he ages and in moving to Comerica (though Comerica isn't a terrible hitters park). I have no problem with Detroit paying him $50 million over the next 4 years, and I think Dunn will ultimately be a better investment. Quite frankly, his value will be comparable to that of Paul Konerko in his "mediocre" seasons, and that's really only worth about 2-3 wins when taking into consideration the positional adjustment. Dunn would be a better addition to the club, and just a better addition period.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 12:08 PM) Exactly, which is why I said you can't compare that value to what a player is making. The only thing you can do is take those numbers and use them as just another way to evaluate a players effectiveness, but to just say, well fangraphs says he is wroth this and is getting this than the difference makes him a steal or bust, well that is ridiculous. I agree. It's a number that is very easily misused because it has a dollar sign in front of it, but all it's doing is serving as another was of evaluating a players season compared to what the rest of the league paid per win share. That is thrown off by teams like the Yankees (especially teams like the Yankees this year, where they'll probably get 8 WAR out of Jeter and ARod combined and they'll be paying them somewhere around $50 mill total). The prices of players has so much to do with both micro level decisions as well as the current state of the economy that these numbers are generally meaningless. Teams aren't going to directly sign or not sign a player based on their dollar level on FanGraphs (duh), but instead will spend money on a player who rates highly because he's good at baseball. That isn't a complicated thought by any stretch of the imagination.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 11:51 AM) No one can be worth negative money. That is the point. So when you have guys in the negative, you now are ultra inflating the other parties. They aren't actually assessing a monetary value that, but instead using a monetary figure to help correlate performance on the field to how much it is worth given market conditions. They aren't suggesting that the Giants should have paid Bonds $37.8 million in 2004, but they are instead showing how good he was offensively using his WAR multiplied by the price teams pay for 1 win share. Bonds was a 12.2 WAR player in 2004 - meaning he was worth just over 12 wins all by himself - and teams paid $3.1 million per win share (price of win share, or pWS) in 2004; thus, Bonds' WAR*pWS = $37.8 mill. Mark Kotsay was a bad player, and I don't think it's really debatable that his presence on the team cost the Sox wins. Thus, he has a negative WAR. Taking his WAR*pWS = some negative number. He's not actually worth negative dollars, but instead it helps compare how bad he was.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 11:58 AM) I really hope the Sox land him. We could be looking at a pretty bad offense next season. Still probably gonna be a pretty bad offense. Need to make sure they have enough pop and then you hope the pitching staff can pitch their asses off.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) Pena is quite sufficient at janitorial duties. If it's a question of starting, I'd rather roll the dice on McCarthy. Assuming the #3 pitcher in a rotation gets 33 starts in a year, McCarthy has missed 88 of 132 starts over the past 4 years. That is exactly 2/3 of his starts. There's a 33% chance that McCarthy can even make the start period, and then you have to hope he pitches well too. Pena is going to be there, man. I don't even understand why we're having this debate; McCarthy is going to get a major league deal, the White Sox wouldn't offer him a major league deal, and I highly doubt the White Sox would even have interest in him if he were healthy. There's a reason why the White Sox don't resign guys like Magglio or Jon Rauch or any others who have burned bridges before they left, and McCarthy is not going to be a player they are even interested in having come back. People that think there is some chance that he might are using nothing but nostalgia to remember what McCarthy did for the White Sox back in 2005, because he surely wasn't good in 2006 and then he got the Sox Danks. Using that thought process, why not try to sign El Duque? He wanted to pitch in the majors last year but the Nationals wouldn't let him. The logical choice is neither. The gun to my head choice is Pena, simply because he is actually going to make the start.

I think the only free agent I'm really following at this point is Dunn.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 11:32 AM) I don't really like fangraph player values, in fact I downright hate them. The numbers they have mean very little and you can't just arbitrarily compare those numbers to what someone is getting paid. It is pretty impossible to be a -6 million per year player, imo. How do those numbers mean very little? WAR is calculated based off of offensive and defensive ability. Their monetary values correlate with the money teams pay per win share, and I think it's generally around $4 mill or so. So, technically, if Huff produces a 6 WAR, he'll be worth his contract. The only thing I don't like about it is that UZR is incorporated into it, when I almost think they should use a 3 year UZR rating just due to the discrepancies from year to year. Anyways, their monetary values are obviously not that simple (ooh, Alexei is worth $6 million and Konerko is worth $7.9, and Quentin is only worth $650K) and quite a bit more goes into the justification of a contract and whether or not it's ultimately "worth it." Oh, and Aubrey Huff was worth -$6 million last year because he was absolutely horrendous offensively (.694 OPS, which is Kotsay-ian) in a year where offense was not nearly as down as it was this year, and he didn't measure well defensively. Again, it doesn't mean he was going to sign up to give $6 mill back to whatever organization he played for, but it does mean that he was a huge detriment to whatever team he did play for. I don't think you can argue with that.

If the Tigers aren't lying through their teeth and Martinez is going to be the DH most of the time, then this eliminates Detroit from the Adam Dunn sweepstakes. If Adam Dunn is insistent about playing in the field, then this eliminates Detroit from the Adam Dunn sweepstakes (unless they want to put him in LF, which would be awesome). If the Sox truly were in on the bidding then they can offer a similar contract to Dunn, while still having 1B open, which further eliminates Detroit from the bidding. I don't see how Dunn can end up in Detroit at this point.

Yeah I don't see anything wrong with the Huff resigning

Every NFL team has beaten every other NFL team The photo speaks more towards the NFL's parity then an obvious point

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 09:06 PM) Miami is about to lose to the Pacers. Wade only has 3-4-5 in 37+ minutes. 1-13 from the field. 0-4 from 3 point range. 1-5 FT. 5 turnovers. You can probably safely pin this loss on him. They only have to win 65 of their next 68 games to break the record.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 04:59 PM) The Bengals' one is the ultimatest of fails. I thought the Vikings were worse

He also had a start where the threw 6 perfect innings and got touch up in the middle of them

The A's posted $18 million for Hisashi Iwakuma and aren't going to sign him. That's OK though because now they don't have to pay the posting fee. I understand that if you don't sign the player, you shouldn't have to pay a ton, but it seems to me that there is nothing against simply bidding $100 billion and then simply saying "oops, sorry, don't want him!" I'm sure there are more controls on it than that, but there should be some type of penalty for not signing a guy you won the rights to negotiate with, other than simply not signing him.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 12:35 PM) Sometimes I think people's expectations are too high for these writers. I agree this particular article was among the dumbest things I've ever read, but in general what do you want the guy to do? He can't tell the future, and, with the hot stove being pretty boring and void of any real news for both Chicago teams so far, there really isn't much he can put in a long column that won't be mundane and skipable, especially considering his audience is different than a more advanced White Sox blog/fan site/etc. At least Rogers isn't a pompous ass, like some other writers, and he doesn't hold grudges or stubbornly stick to biased coverage even though he's not the most advanced baseball mind out there. I wouldn't mind it if he looked at something insightful. What about the 10 best games of the year? He can write an article covering each one of them in depth. Speculative pieces are garbage and pointless, but atleast writing articles about the past brings about nostalgic feelings (so long as they don't mention anything about the Twins games).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 05:37 AM) If Maggs didn't get hurt and the Sox won a championship with him, I'm sure everyone would be happy they didn't trade him for prospects 2 years before he became a free agent and just kept him. No one is complaining they didn't trade Konerko. If the Sox didn't take him all the way to the end of his contract in 2005, the possibility of no WS championship is pretty strong. Who would the White Sox have replaced Konerko with? As of right now, the White Sox can replace Danks in the rotation with Sale, Pena, any of the players they acquire for Danks, or a free agent signing. They can't do the same thing with Konerko. If they had Ryan Howard waiting in the minors, I'm sure more people would have been advocating it. Beyond that, there have always been people who have wanted to trade Paulie, be it due to struggles or being mediocre for 1B or because he has money that can be freed up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 05:09 AM) And guys like Jeff Marquez and Tyler Flowers are, not to mention the year or 2 you don't have Danks' services? If John Danks puts bats around a blow up doll and probably two in her orifices, then chokes down the stretch and talks about how he just wants to be close to home, then sure, you can make this argument. You are comparing apples to oranges and you know it. Neither Swisher nor Vazquez could be here any longer, as they'd long worn out their welcome. If the Sox don't get the offer they want for Danks, they can just keep him and let him throw the s*** out of the ball some more too. Williams has the most leverage in trade negotiations. You sound really bitter about the possibility of moving Danks, and you've made it seem as though no matter what the Sox do in regards to moving Danks, it's not going to work out. I mean, as ss2k mentioned, just as they are likely to get Marquez or Flowers (who you are labeling a bust after one down year in AAA, which I don't believe is correct), they are just as likely to get John Danks or Gavin Floyd. Seriously, would Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez look like a bad return for John Danks right now?

QUOTE (balfanman @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 08:49 AM) Could this be explained by the fact that he is a little mentally challenged? Again; I don't want to start any incorrect information, I just want to find out why pitchers don't like to throw to him. Could it be that Olivo is not only a little slow to put down fingers, but will occaisionally call a pitch and forget what he called, resulting in a passed ball? It could be. But more than likely it's because he's poor defensively.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 02:50 AM) Right. This is all pretty reasonable. However, as you point out, his stats are much more favorable vs. RHP. He has demonstrated an ability to hit really well vs RHP, especially for a centerfielder. The other thing is that he can also be a run producer, not simply a lead off guy. I'm not suggesting that he bat anywhere other than lead off or 9th, but as some of us have said, at least when he comes up with guys on, he has the ability to drive the ball somewhere, unlike Pierre. I highly doubt he defends as well as Pierre, and I also doubt that he has the bat control of Pierre. If it were up to me, I would prefer to get rid of both of them, but as of right now, Pierre is the more valuable player.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 11:39 PM) How many times has Young been benched, forgotten about, and then re-anointed the starter? Supposedly done for good this time. He'd be a good pickup for the Bills that would allow them to use their 1st rounder on something else, as either he or Fitzpatrick would be able to run the offense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 09:23 PM) Considering that he put up 3 years of sub-.700 OPS in rookie ball and low A for his first 3 years after starting as an 18 year old, I'd say that career OPS is pretty impressive, because he managed to push it up quite a bit. Taking his total line in AAA - .301/.368/.470/.838, 665 PAs, 42 2B, 9 3B, 13 HR, 27/35 in SB, 56 BB, 113 K - how much of that added power is due to playing in good offensive leagues? I think it's safe to decrease his average, as I don't think he's a .300 hitter at the MLB level. I think it's also probably safe to marginally decrease his power, his walks, and increase his strikeouts (just percentage wise, probably not total). Given approximately 600 plate appearances, it should be reasonable for him to put up something like .278 BA 30 2B 7 3B 8 HR 45 BB 110 K 5 HBP 5 SF right? That turns out to be a .278/.336/.402/.738 line. It probably favors RHP, so, again, he has use to a major league club. But take a standard deviation to that - say +-.15/+-.20/+-.30/+-.50 - and that line could be as good as .293/.356/.432/.788, or as bad as .263/.316/.372/.688. Unless he brings something exceptional to the table, such as defense [haven't heard anything great], speed [minors numbers suggest he can, but won't steal a ton], a bunting ability [i have no idea], or a huge RHP/LHP split [can't find anything conclusive right now], then there really is no point in starting De Aza. He's probably a 1 WAR...I don't know why people would be beckoning for that to be in the lineup, especially when the Sox have guys in all 3 spots that could be 2-3 times more valuable than De Aza himself. It's like people pleading for Lillibridge to be the everyday SS, when everybody knows that would be an absolutely terrible idea.

QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) Danks is a #3 or maybe even #4 starter on a World Championship team...if anyone disagrees just look at where he would slot in on the Giants. People talk about the Sox rotation being strong, but they lack top tier starters. So because he'd be the 3-4 pitcher on a historically great pitching staff, he'd be a 3-4 starter on any World Championship team? I don't buy that for a second.

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