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QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 06:26 PM) With our park and our defense, Floyd is a little less valuable here than he might be somewhere else. With our park, we can stretch our dollars more when we go out and get cheap free agent power guys that do actually matter. I guess I just see it as....with our current situation we badly need a guy who will get people out with the bat on their shoulder. Obviously no one is going to argue with me on that being a good thing, but I guess you're all arguing with me on how necessary that is for our team specifically to have a championship hope. If you put the Doc/Peavy staff out there, all you would need to go right is the team HR total going back up...which i think is doable with 5-8M somehow freed up for a cheap power guy. I only say this because I think there's no way we get a high OBP team together for next year....... but in 05 we had a great staff and a steady group of power guys...and it was just enough. Again, Halladay is going to make like $17 mill next year, and I guarantee you that the Jays won't take on a considerable amount of that if they trade him. There will also be teams who inquire about him that will want to sign him to an extension, which the Jays are open to, which will also increase his value. If the Sox were to trade for and then sign Halladay, not only can you kiss Hudson, Floyd, Flowers, and atleast one other good prospect away, but you have now eaten up the entire offseason's resources in trading for a pitcher that really isn't going to give you that much of an upgrade, and you will have to deal with the current offensive structure and/or AAA free agents. Trading for Halladay would be a monumental mistake and one that Williams will not make. If he can't sign Figgins for $10 mill a year, why on earth would he trade for Halladay who is making $17 mill?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 06:15 PM) that's a philosophy i currently agree with. I don't believe you can have overkill in a starting rotation and you don't need someone in the middle of the order to hit .350/40/100 to be competitive when you can run Peavy/Halladay out there for close to 40% of your starts. You can also consider a restaurant. Say said restaurant has 4 very good cooks and 1 cook who is learning/old, but can hold their own. Say your serving staff is full of under-qualified employees and is lacking employees. Is the kitchen going to get that much better if you the best cook in town? Probably not. Is the serving staff going to get that much better if you add the best server in town? You bet your ass. It's simply following the Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 06:15 PM) that's a philosophy i currently agree with. I don't believe you can have overkill in a starting rotation and you don't need someone in the middle of the order to hit .350/40/100 to be competitive when you can run Peavy/Halladay out there for close to 40% of your starts. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2003.shtml If you can't score runs, you can't win games

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 04:10 PM) Oh, and they just benched Trent Edwards. Man, that kid showed a world of promise for a 3rd round pick when he first got the ball. A shoulder surgery, a vanilla offense, and another offensive coordinator change to an even more conservative offense will make any QB look bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) Exactly. For the improvement we would get from Halladay versus Danks or Floyd, we could spend a lot of those assets (both prospects and money) to help places that will help us win a lot more games than that one would. It's basic economics. One more or an improved starter in the rotation isn't going to do a hell of a lot more than it already can, but a fantastic hitter in the middle of a mediocre lineup can make it a good offense, which is going to do quite a bit for this team in the long run.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) D2, because he's playing if we don't get anyone else, and if he's in CF, Ozzie will lead him off. I want us to make a move... There is a fairly good chance that Jordan Danks would put up worse numbers than Darin Erstad did with the White Sox in 2007. If he is anywhere near the major leagues before September, I'm going to be praying beyond all doubt it's because his numbers have exploded in the minor leagues and not because of injury.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) Mark Scioscia continues his journey to become the most over-regarded manager in the history of the game. I don't think he's terrible, i just despise a lot of what his approach to the game entails. He did, however, improve this year. They dealt with injuries up the ass, struggles of the entire pitching staff, and the death of a good young player and he still won 97 games. He earned what he did this season.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 09:50 AM) Exactly and AJ will catch at least 125 plus games in 2010. Doesn't give Flowesr much seasoning. I also completely disagree with him being the DH as that doesn't do a thing for his catching ability Helping the Sox win matters more, and if he ends up doing some DHing during the season to do that, then by god that's what is going to happen.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 05:38 PM) Cant just say Doc means we have no way of getting a LF. Cant rule out Kenny's ability to move money around. Via trade we could get LF done ....just like no one saw the McCarthy trade coming, there are always ways. And of course there's the camp wanting Kotsay and Flowers sharing DH (with Kotsay more likely in the field on his days in) Halladay is making like $17 mill this season. There is no fiscally responsible or reasonable way for the Sox to add him this season.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) Trade Konerko and cash for Wood Hudson, Viciedo, Retherford, Wood, Shelby, Ely for Adrian Gonzalez. Sign Aroldis Chapman, Leslie Anderson Sign Nick Johnson Trade Linebrink for Bradley Offer Dotel Arb. Batting order: Rios, Beckham, Quentin, Gonzalez, Bradley, Johnson, Pierzynski, Ramirez, Teahen Bench Kotsay, Nix, Flowers, Anderson Rotation: Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Garcia Bullpen: Dotel, Pena, Nunez, Carrasco, Chapman,Thornton, Jenks It's all for fun and games, but that payroll would be somewhere around $110+ mill. And further, if you are going to include that much for Adrian Gonzalez, you may as well either get Bell chipped in or give up one more prospect to get him.

QUOTE (The Baconator @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 08:22 PM) Now, I'm going to preface this that I would love to see this going down as much as anyone, and I'm a huge Paulie fan. Everyone keeps talking about how the Angels have wanted Paulie for YEARS now, and we may assume that they are still interested in him now. But we also know that Paulie is not the same player that he was in '04/'05 when the Angels were shopping for him. Flash forward to the White Sox and KW pursuing Griffey for years... At the time KW first expressed his interest in KGJ he was still stroking it... similar to Paulie and the Angels years ago (and in all honesty, Griffey is GRIFFEY and Paulie was never at the same level). Flash forward again to the value of what KW actually gave up when he finally got his guy... What I'm saying here is that while the Angels may have had interest in Paulie for years, the value in this trade is nearly negligible and we'll likely end up throwing money/prospects to LAA in addition to SD. I'll take a busted middle infield prospect and a live bullpen arm for Konerko. s***, I'd take the busted middle infield prospect for him so long as it was Brandon Wood.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) Blanco is a lefty now? Keep Flowers in the minors, keep his service time low, and thus, get him for an extra year.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 07:03 PM) I still have this horrible feeling that Jeter will steal the MVP away from Mauer. I feared Sabathia taking it over Greinke more than I do of anyone taking it over Mauer, and the voters were right about that. They only thing they can even begin to look at is the fact that he missed the first month, but he was still like far and away the best player in the AL.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) His career .228 batting and .658 OPS would fit in well with the backup catcher's we've had the last few years, I will grant that. He's also pretty solid against lefties in his career, something to the tune of a .740 OPS, and he killed them last year (granted, it was like 70 plate appearances)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) But...if you sign someone else and they get benched behind that person and never get the chance to develop...then their trade value goes down. Their trade value likely goes down the moment you sign someone else ahead of them, because it's a signal that you don't have confidence in the person. With an advanced player, I'd agree. With a prospect like Tyler Flowers, I don't agree. It could be something as simple as wanting to save service time, and by signing Henry Blanco, you can have Flowers in the minors until June or so, saving some service time while letting him develop both offensively and defensively in a less demanding environment while maintaining some type of good production at the big league level. Then if you call him up, he can play wherever the Sox deem fit, be it DH, C, or 1B if his bat is good enough.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 05:04 PM) Replies: The Sox made every effort last season to make it seem that they thought Flowers was ready to contribute at the big league level, from jumping him up to AAA to bringing him up in August to the way that they talked about him. To go out and sign one of the more useful backups out there would make very little sense to me. Yeah, it would give us the chance to use Flowers as a DH. But at the same time, it would be just as likely, perhaps more likely, to cost him AB's unless he was going to wind up as a full time DH. Our manager would be very likely to give extra playing time to the veteran who can control a running game, and we all know that. If Flowers wasn't ready...then they were only talking him up for 1 reason, and that was as trade bait. I also believe they are talking up Jordan to be trade bait as well. But, if any trade falls through, they retain their value, and it is possible that the organization feels this way as well.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) All is right in the universe. The only award that is even relatively difficult to figure out is the NL Cy Young, and there are quite a few deserving candidates in that race. The MVP winners have to be Mauer and Pujols.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) Yeah, that took too long. And the Bills have had enough high and sometimes even successful draft picks that they could have at least pulled out a playoff birth one of these last few years if the coaching staff had anything together. You could blame injuries in the past, but when injuries become the norm and not freakish, there has to be something wrong with the conditioning, scheme, or players being brought in. A lot of times, that falls on the head coach, and it was definitely time for Jauron to go. I predicted he'd get fired in week 2 after he started 2-5. It was after he fell to 3-6. So sue me.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers That's ignorant as hell. Adrian Gonzalez had a fantastic season last year and the rest of the s***ty players on the Padres major league team carried them to a last place finish.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:58 AM) You must be a big Mark Teahen fan? Not at all. But if you are going to suggest that Mark Teahen is a worse offensive player than Chris Getz, I'm going to call you crazy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) Konerko to the Angels for Wood, Wood and Hudson to the Padres for AGon? You are going to have to give up a hell of a lot more than a busted prospect and a solid pitching prospect for Adrian Gonzalez.

QUOTE (daggins @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 09:24 PM) Beyond the obviously out of date roster, CHONE seems to weight age very heavily, going both ways. For instance, they don't predict much improvement for Gordo in his age 23 season, but they seem to think David Cook, a career minor leaguer, can put up a decent line in the MLB, due to his being in the 26-30 age range. Meanwhile, they have Ichiro at something like 300/330/400, which would be a massive downturn for him, and there's no real reason to think that will happen... except that Ichiro will be 37 next season. So, obv. CHONE has its flaws, and I seem to remember it being one of the more "pessimistic" prognosticators. However, it is what it is. In case you didn't know, the White Sox offense isn't very good. Yet still better right now than it was come September 30th. And it's not even December yet.

Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) If we picked up Gonzalez and Bell in the same deal then the upper echelon of our farm would be drained of everything but '09 draft members. Crawford would have to cost Jenks + low-level guys, which could be beaten quite easily by anyone who wanted him. We'd have to hope everyone else thinks Crawford sucks or something. And that the Rays were trading Crawford because they thought he wasn't good or that Desmond Jennings was that good and not because they wanted to dump salary.

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