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QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 12:59 AM) Anyone wana see Agon´s stats on where he sprayed the ball by park for the last year of two? NL or AL or both? You don't have to ask something like that. Just post it.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 09:54 PM) Even when he's at his absolutely best (I tend to believe we saw his peak this past season) he's just not an elite talent in my mind. He's very good but he has a great deal of short comings. If the Sox are going to sell the farm this offseason I really hope it's for a guy like Adrian Gonzalez and not Carl Crawford. If Friedman demands Hudson, Williams better hang up.

I think I'd actually prefer Crawford to Gonzalez. Both are fantastic players and bring certain aspects to this team that it sorely lacks. However, with the addition of Crawford, you are then free to go out and sign Thome/Johnson/LaRoche to whatever deal, and it leaves you with a balanced offensive attack, brings in an athletic player who has proven himself capable, potentially saves you from dealing Hudson (though I wouldn't necessarily count on it), and, in the next 7 years (assuming you negotiate a contract extension with both if you were to hypothetically acquire one of them), saves you money and allows for flexibility with others. Affording it becomes difficult, but if Linebrink can be given away, you can figure something out around it. And come this offseason, the Sox shed even more salary. Hypothetically speaking, it'd be Crawford - LF Beckham - 2B Johnson/Quentin - DH/RF Quentin/LaRoche/Thome - RF/DH Konerko - 1B Pierzynski - C Rios - CF Ramirez - SS Teahen - 3B Every hitter is capable of putting up a .750 OPS or better (in some cases, much much better) and the outfield defense improves dramatically. The idea would be to acquire him without giving up Hudson, and I think it's possible, though maybe not likely.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Very false agree to disagree

I also blame Knight for my recent Meatloaf obsession. Thanks for reminding me of one of the greatest artists of the generation before me! (no, seriously, thank you) I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW!

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 06:33 PM) I had a wild-turkey and 151 combined shot, called the 252, this past weekend....after a whole s***load of shots....wow, it not only felt like burning, it "tasted like burning". One of the most awful shots I've ever had. Wild Turkey shot + Yukon Jack shot + Bacardi 151 shot + hint of cranberry juice + hint of grenadine + whipped cream on top 4.5 ounces of "Looks like fun" followed by 4.5 ounces of "what the f*** just happened to me?". Thankfully my body didn't know shots were bad for me at that point. They know now.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) Right, these have all occurred when? In the last how many years? Now start naming all those that it happened before. So when I say, how many times has this happened in the HISTORY of baseball, am I really asking how many times it has happened in the last 150 or so years, or practically, am I asking how many times has it happened in the last 10 years? Since it wasn't brought up, I would say much of the huge blockbuster trades that seem to happen atleast once or twice a year are because of increased salaries. Impending free agents who are going to be tough to resign have less value to teams that 3-4 prospects, whereas just 10 years ago the Astros sent Carlos Guillen, Freddy Garcia and John Halama for half of a season of Randy Johnson simply to be a rent a pitcher. Sabathia was the exact same scenario, but I seem to remember the only real big prospect that the Brewers gave up was LaPorta, and they didn't really have anywhere to play him anyways. The best two comparisons I could probably make off the top of my head in regards to value for Gonzalez would be Cabrera from Florida to Detroit and Griffey from Seattle to Cincinnati. Griffey had in fact just come off winning an MVP and putting up a .960 OPS as a CFer, and the two previous years he hit 56 homers in each. I don't know how they were rated, but I know that Cameron was a good prospect and Brett Tomko was a good prospect at one point in time too. I don't know about Jake Meyer (who was originally drafted by the Sox) or Antonio Perez, but they couldn't have been bad. I seem to remember Griffey sort of forcing the trade to Cinci, so that example may not work perfectly. Either way, I think the cost of players has a huge effect on why more players have been dealt recently.

QUOTE (JoeBatterz @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) Thanks to the below, Jermaine can say ANYTHING that he wants and I got his back. That trophy really should have gone to the entire team. I'm not taking away what JD did, because he was fantastic as well, but every member of that team played their part at some point during the season or in the postseason to get that team the trophy.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 02:18 PM) This is what you're missing apparently: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grandcu01.shtml Granderson had an off year last year but he's one of the most exciting players in baseball. Jesus. He hit .250 and still was an average player offensively along with being worth a few wins too. Damn. Not that it's going to happen, but getting Granderson would be incredible.

QUOTE (KevinM @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 01:00 PM) Assuming this is all true (which it isn't), why on earth would the White Sox absolutely murder their sparse organizational depth for a corner player? Gonzalez is a special player, but you're talking about giving up (what you consider -- which is extremely optimistic and foolhardy at best) a starting pitcher with no service time, a catcher who made drastic defensive strides and has the potential to be a .275/.400/.500 hitter, a starting 3B in Viciedo (which is a preposterously stupid evaluation right now), a plus defensive CF, and a good and cheap bullpen arm (something we're immune to, and something we need so we don't do stupid things like sign Scott Linebrink and trade Brandon Allen for Tony Pena). I get it: Gonzalez is a great player, but he's far too close to free agency to do a 7 for 1 (or 2, I guess, if you're into getting Heath Bell, whose value in the late innings probably doesn't surpass that of Hudson) sort of deal. Plus you want to give 2-3 of these guys away. Just sign Nick Johnson. Don't run the organization any further into the ground. If we're giving up the farm, it must be for a cheap, pre-arb up the middle player. I generally agree with this. If you can get Gonzalez for about 4 prospects, I say you look into it, but killing the depth of the minor league system is not something that should be done. Signing a Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche isn't the worst thing in the world if you can get them relatively cheap. Again, I'm going to cite the Dodgers - even if there are arguments over how well Colletti has done - and just point out that they tend to keep their young players and sign stopgaps, and if the young player can outproduce the stopgap, then he plays. It can backfire drastically in the case of Pierre, but at the same time can help and allows for a bit of flexibility in dealings, such as using Casey Blake at 3B and trading LaRoche and Morris for Manny Ramirez. That said, Gonzalez does fit about every piece of criteria the White Sox are looking for right now in a hitter (except for the fast part) and would be a monumental acquisition.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 12:02 PM) If Flowers actually does project as a Catcher at the Major League level, we'd be fools to deal him. However, if he looks more like a DH/1B candidate, I'd make him available to help the team make a run next year. The Sox don't exactly have a problem with poor defensive catchers. Flowers is going to remain behind the plate.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) The Red Sox are stuck with Ortiz at $12M next year in the final year of his deal. Lowell is there too, and they're probably stuck with him as well, playing 3B. Youkilis is a pretty sweet 1B, but he leaves something to be desired at 3B. Konerko isn't really a fit for them IMO unless they moved another contract or two. They're in on Gonzalez because he's a franchise type player, but Paulie isn't so I don't think they would have interest. Ellsbury for Alexei is interesting but I don't know if either team would do that, and it just opens up another hole for us. IMO the destinations for Konerko, if we moved him, would be either the Giants, Dodgers, Mets, Braves, or maybe even the Orioles in a straight salary dump. I would say the Giants are probably the best fit amongst that group. I doubt that Dodgers are just going to bench Loney, and I'm pretty sure they tried moving him to the outfield with bad results, and I think the Mets will probably try and sign someone to an incentive laden deal. I don't think the Braves touch him without the Sox taking on some money, and there is no need to just straight up get rid of Konerko, which is what sending him to Baltimore would be. I also seem to recall that during Konerko's free agency, Baltimore actually offered a 5/$65 deal, but that with taxes included it would have actually been less money than he was going to make in either Anaheim or Chicago, though I don't recall the specifics. The Giants seem like the most logical fit, and that'd probably be the best fit too. They are looking to add offense, and Sabean has been known to give up solid prospects for players before (and I'm not even thinking about Pierzynski here)

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 11:43 AM) So your saying we should ask for more back? My thought is you are giving up Konerko but freeing up the resources to spend money on a good DH and a reliever. I'm not sure if the BoSox would include a Bowden or Bard instead of Kochman (or on top of Kochman). I was throwing the idea out as it might be one of the best ways to get a real good, young, top of the order bat, and shed salary. Konerko obviously has 10/5 rights now, but when he signed his deal, he had a partial NTC. I recall Dye's NTC not allowing a trade to Boston, but I sort of remember it with Konerko too. I may be wrong, but if he didn't want to go there in the first place, there's no way he'd go now. I don't actually remember if that's the case, and I can't find the teams to which he won't accept a trade, but it's worth considering.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 12:51 AM) Teahan far from lit up the minors, and he was not nearly as highly touted as some are leading others to believe. Being in money ball doesn't mean very much to me. Once more, i hope he hits the s*** out of the ball, also wish he plays some defense that won't hurt us. If you ask me, asking for even one of those two is already asking a good deal, let alone both at once. In regards to this, he was drafted rather high partly because of the statistics he had accumulated leading up to the draft - hence the money ball effect - and he had some decent tools to work with as well. That draft actually went rather poorly for the A's in the early part of the draft - for as much publicity as they received for having 7 first round picks, the only 3 to make it were Teahen, Swisher, and Blanton, and really only Swisher and Blanton have turned into good players (and neither is particularly impressive). I don't think you can really ask for a whole hell of a lot more than that though in regards to 1st round picks - just getting productive major leaguers can be considered a success. The A's did actually draft some good players that year, some of whom didn't sign. John Baker, Jared Burton, and Brad Ziegler all signed with the A's, and they also drafted Trevor Crowe and Jonathan Papelbon too.

It's probably going to take some type of organizational suicide to acquire Felix Hernandez at this point. The M's are looking to keep him. Theo can talk all he wants, but I don't think there's any way that Felix is traded.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 12:11 AM) You mean isn't, right? Yes, I just read that over and realized how funny that actually looks.

It's his goal as the agent to do whatever it takes to get his players the most money possible. To the naked eye, the raw numbers are comparable, though Jeter has the edge. Call it shady or unethical but he is good at his job and gets his players a lot of money, and he's rich as hell because of it. The average person knows Damon isn't better than Jeter, and that's why Damon isn't going to get $20 mill a year. He will get paid handsomely though, and that's all that matters to Boras.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) The Padres are shopping him this winter. . With our lack of a DH and with PK's contract ending after 2010, we would be foolish not to pursue this. Are we rumored to go after him? No. . or at least we didn't hear anything, and usually thats a good thing- because if we hear about it- it usually never happens. can we please outlaw this phrase on Soxtalk? It has been proven wrong time and time again

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 08:58 PM) Gotta love Dye using the Rios arrival as an excuse. I love Jermaine's contributions during his time here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's one of the veterans we keep hearing about that might have been too comfortable in the clubhouse and didn't really like the influx of young players. I was just going to say, he sounds a bit bitter and defensive (because god knows he couldn't be defensive in the outfield)

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) Because if the Sox are going to win in the next two years, Alexei is probably going to play a large role in that. Subtracting major pieces from the 2010 25 man roster to get Adrian Gonzalez is not the way to do it. That, and I would assume that Padres are looking to get younger. As Kalapse pointed out yesterday or the day before, Alexei Ramirez is 6 months older than Gonzalez. Not that he's old or anything, but he's going to be in his 30s by the time the Padres are ready to compete again and completely out of the picture. Everth Cabrera looks decent too, so they're going to stick with him.

QUOTE (League @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 08:05 PM) Get it done w/out D2, having him around helps with signing Johnny, and that's something that we need to take care of. Bull, money is what is ultimately going to sign John Danks. You explain that it is part of the game, you show Danks Gonzalez's numbers, you tell him how much his addition helps the club, and I'm pretty sure he is going to understand. The ultimate goal of the game is to win, it's not to leverage players into signing contracts. If they don't give Jordan up because either the Padres don't want him or the Sox really feel that he is that good, then so be it. You don't keep him simply because his brother plays for the team.

If Podsednik is the DH going into the season, Williams better have a horseshoe up his ass for the team to score enough runs.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) Maybe not. Enlighten me... The run right at 0, and sometimes a little in the red. The ownership of the White Sox is not in the game to make a profit. You can't expect every team to pay $200 million, which is $50-70 million over the luxury tax, which later accumulates to something like $240 mill total. When Williams finds a player that he feels does exactly what the team needs, Reinsdorf and the ownership open the purse strings. Why do you think the Sox resigned Konerko after the World Series? Dye? Buehrle? Pierzynski? Peavy? Rios?

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 05:03 PM) For 7mil Overbay and we have to give them players ? NO THANKS The Sox really aren't trading players in this instance, but rather people who wear baseball uniforms.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 09:52 PM) The only way this trade makes sense is if cubs include Marmol... which probably means we eat all of Bradley's deal... but then you move Thorton to the closer and Marmol takes his place as a go to guy in the pen(being a headcase a role much better suited for him) Possible? None of that makes any sense. The Cubs would be dumb to trade for a closer considering how good Marmol is, and it would be ridiculous of them to trade Marmol along with Bradley to get Jenks unless they are that dead set on getting rid of Bradley and cannot find any suitors whatsoever. Further, moving Thornton to closer and having Marmol takes out the one legitimate left handed arm the Sox have in the middle of the bullpen. Thornton has the capability of closing, and I have no doubt about that, but much of his value comes from the fact that he throws with his left hand and that players hitting from the same side of the plate have a ton of trouble getting to him. Being able to use Thornton in the 7th, 8th, or 9th helps aid his value astronomically, and Marmol would be the closer by default. I would say that this is not possible.