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some real gems here QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 22, 2008 -> 09:42 AM) It's too bad, I wish we had a singles hitter who can hit balls through the holes and drive in some big runs. His name is Orlando Cabrera. QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 22, 2008 -> 10:00 AM) Because the Twins have 4 division titles by doing that. Give us a couple of lucky players and combine it with our power and talent and you have a WS team. Look at their bullpen, their #1 starter, their top 3 starters, and the amount of good hitters in the middle of the lineup from those years. Tell me if something correlates between that and those 4 division titles. In 2005, they lost the division - their offense was terrible. Matt LeCroy, Torii Hunter, and Joe Mauer were overall their best hitters...and that's Joe Mauer as essentially a rookie, for the first time feeling the rigors of a full season, not the Joe Mauer from 2006 when he led the league in hitting. Matt LeCroy. Let that sink in for a second. Last season, they had 3 good hitters and 2 above average hitters, and pretty much everyone else was mediocre or worse (consider that Nick Punto got 536 plate appearances...he hit .210 and hit for no power at all, meaning he was one of the worst hitters in the entire major leagues and that a guy from, say, high-A ball could have outproduced him offensively) and, as a factor of such poor offensive production, they didn't score many runs. You can't count on luck. You can generally count on fundamental baseball from fundamentally sound baseball players, but you can't count on luck or clutch. If you want "lucky" players, you'll find them on the bench. Timo Perez was a "lucky" player, and that's where he sat until his name was drawn. When he played full time in August of 2005, he was exposed and the Sox were absolutely terrible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 09:09 AM) Fields doesn't have the glove or the ability to adjust that Crede has. Crede also isn't going to strike out 150 times, which is the epitome of an all or nothing guy. Crede also doesn't have 40+ homer potential nor the speed/athleticism Fields does either. It's a two way street. Regardless, I still think the White Sox 3Bman next year is from outside the organization. I don't think Crede fires Boras, because he wants to get paid first and foremost, and I think Fields could be moved either at the deadline (which I view as less likely, seeing the limited number of holes the Sox have) or in the offseason.

Kiko Calero DFA'ed...there's no way a pitcher of his caliber will pass through waivers. I'm more hoping Detroit doesn't claim him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 06:10 AM) ninja regardless...this is the drunk thread...I am quite hammered...I burned the f*** out of my forearm today working (THANKS 350 DEGREE OIL)...and f*** anybody that says Jim Thome sucks. That is all. as a slight follow up...I definitely have 2nd degree burns on the greater portion of the top of my forearm. It's shaped like a dog, so that is cool, but it's been pussing and weeping for the greater portion of 30 hours now.

QUOTE (earthshiner @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 04:46 PM) I don't think we will have the same output but we will be more productive and a better overall team. ...? I understand better overall team - I disagree with it, but that's not the point. How can you get less output and have more production? That does not logically make sense.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) Is that wite? The answer to that question is 'I wish.' ...except for the whole "he's 17 thing," I already went through that and I don't ever want to get near it ever again.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) Lies! I thought it was funny, I just don't really pay attention to the NBA threads that much.

I like how everyone is shutting the door on the KW2 pick already. Pretty funny, seeing as how Dad was a good major league prospect.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 10:46 PM) 7BB? lol

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 12:14 PM) Gammons is being interviewed on ESPN. When asked about an all Chicago World Series, he doesn't seem to think the Cubs have much of a chance, but loves our chances. Odd. Pitching, pitching, pitching. Oh yeah, and a Lyle Mouton shout out in the trivia question.

I just threw up in my mouth from the last two posts

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 05:58 AM) I dont know why your gloating so much, yes he has performed better as of late but his overall stats are still pretty poor. Last I checked you don't grade a season on just one good month, if even a month. Lets see him keep it up for the rest of the season and hopefully post-season. Bull-f***ing-cock his overall stats are poor. The only thing that is poor is his average and that's been on the climb since the beginning of June. He's been one of the most productive players on this White Sox team and people underappreciate him because he strikes out a lot and he's hitting .228. Mind you, that's a .228 with 14 homers, 12 doubles, and .353/.469/.822 splits when he's actually hit LHP this season too.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 20, 2008 -> 02:48 AM) f*** yo dice. ninja regardless...this is the drunk thread...I am quite hammered...I burned the f*** out of my forearm today working (THANKS 350 DEGREE OIL)...and f*** anybody that says Jim Thome sucks. That is all.

I remember hearing that this Thome guy sucks, didn't I?

QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 11:49 PM) It's a regular series in the middle of the year against a non-divisional opponent. Sure, it might be big for Chicago bragging rights, but in terms of actual baseball, this series means just as much as if we were playing any other division leader in the National League. I truly, 100% believe, that point is severely underrated by a greater portion of the board. I've pretty much felt, other than when the Sox were garbage, that this was the greatest rivalry in baseball. Cubs fans always make this out to be a big deal, and when the Sox are competing, it's a big deal to Sox fans too. Sox fans should treat it this way as well. Just an opinion...it has become lessened since 2005, but I feel the point still remains...show the Cubs that the AL is not the b**** the NL is and take 5 of 6. Prove that we are still and always will be the superior baseball team. Oh yeah, and carry on that regular season momentum...I guess that is pretty important too.

He's also had elbow problems this year too. That will hurt a pitcher, physically and statistically. I'd say he's fine but a perfect case as to why you shouldn't invest long-term into a pitcher.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 09:15 PM) Actually, with AJ and Toby over .300, we honestly may have the best hitting catching duo in baseball. TOBY The catchers on the other side of town say "Hai!"

Kalapse, this is why I love you I like Holliday, but am in complete agreement. Some of his s***ty road splits have to do with playing 30 games a year in San Fran, LA, and San Diego, but he's definitely a product of Coors.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 10:44 PM) Jake Peavy, off the 'roids? Have you even looked at his season stats or are you merely saying that because he had one bad outing? He's got a 2.88 ERA, is averaging 9 K/9, and he's averaging over 6 innings a start. Get real.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 10:37 PM) Nice to see him hitting when we're already up 7 (again). Oh goshdarn Cabrera and Crede, hitting homers and padding their stats when the Sox are up big! Of course it means nothing, but Thome was on 3rd base in the 1st inning with 1 out and Crede grounded into a DP...he also doubled to help get an inning started - he was driven in by Swisher, who was then driven in by Crede's homer. You know, because Thome actually helping the team is ignored. I love it when people make it out to be like Thome never does anything to help the team and the only time he ever produces is in blowouts. It's just not true.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) I have been mulling this trade over but would you trade Quentin for Carl Crawford? No, Carl Crawford is one of the most overrated players in the MLB. He's a good player but the DRays are essentially asking for a package that would net you a superstar in return and Crawford is nothing even close to that. Adding on to that, he's hitting .265 this season with absolutely no power to really speak of. Quentin could very easily be the next Chris Shelton, but I'm also not a huge fan of Carl Crawford either.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 08:14 PM) I don't know, but after looking at Wise's career stats, if this is the best buy the White Sox can bring up, we must have the weakest minor league system in baseball, by a MILE. I mean, seriously, look at our bench. And to think, one of these guys, other than Hall, has to play every day. That's just rancid. Batting Statistics NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Toby Hall 17 53 3 17 3 0 0 20 2 2 3 0 0 .321 .357 .377 .735 Pablo Ozuna 25 51 2 14 1 0 0 15 5 1 3 0 0 .275 .288 .294 .583 B. Anderson 44 92 8 23 7 0 2 36 10 5 21 2 1 .250 .289 .391 .680 Juan Uribe 42 125 14 25 6 0 3 40 17 9 22 0 0 .200 .259 .320 .579 Dewayne Wise 6 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Don't pay attention to Wise's .319/.402/.565/.967 splits from AAA, he's got no shot as a bench player. I mean seriously, he's a goddamn bench player and 26th man, you're not asking him to hit 30 homers and be a vital cog in the middle of the lineup. Brian Anderson also plays gold glove defense and he's actually hit the ball fairly well this season, despite a .680 OPS. I don't worry about the offense, especially with a few other players coming around recently too.

Thome's June splits - .279/.385/.651/1.036 Thome's year splits - .221/.346/.465/.812 yeah, but he's washed up and done

QUOTE (Cali @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 06:08 PM) Jerry gives his thoughts on managing the Mets for the rest of the year... well done

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 04:43 PM) So according to Jesse Rogers KW said today that the recall of DeWayne Wise instead of Jerry Owens was Buddy Bell's call. KW went to Bell and Buddy told him Wise can do more for the team right now than Jerry Owens. Nice, thank you Buddy Bell.